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Why Shazam when there is already Superman?


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I am asking this question based on the trailers of the film. As from the trailers, we know that Shazam is pretty much like Superman in terms of superpowers. He can fly, he is bulletproof, has super-strength, can shoot beams. Most of these powers are there with superman. The only difference is how they got their powers.



Now why do they have two superheros with almost similar powers? I don't know about the comic book origin though. Or should I just look at it like a stand-alone different superhero movie with no connection to the Superman-universe?










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    Important note: Shazam's powers are based on magic (and he can shoot magical lightning). Superman is weak to magic.

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    “Only the difference is how they got their powers.” Also Superman doesn't regularly change back into a 10-year-old boy.

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  • I thought I heard him mention Superman in one of the trailer clips. But he could have been referring to an in-universe comic.

    – RBarryYoung
    Mar 21 at 23:56






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    They weren't originally in the same universe. DC sued for copyright infringement and won because of the exact similarities mentioned...and eventually acquired the rights to the character.

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    To make matters worse, SHAZAM's real name is Captain Marvel.

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I am asking this question based on the trailers of the film. As from the trailers, we know that Shazam is pretty much like Superman in terms of superpowers. He can fly, he is bulletproof, has super-strength, can shoot beams. Most of these powers are there with superman. The only difference is how they got their powers.



Now why do they have two superheros with almost similar powers? I don't know about the comic book origin though. Or should I just look at it like a stand-alone different superhero movie with no connection to the Superman-universe?










share|improve this question



















  • 7





    Important note: Shazam's powers are based on magic (and he can shoot magical lightning). Superman is weak to magic.

    – Parrotmaster
    Mar 21 at 10:16






  • 32





    “Only the difference is how they got their powers.” Also Superman doesn't regularly change back into a 10-year-old boy.

    – Paul D. Waite
    Mar 21 at 13:30












  • I thought I heard him mention Superman in one of the trailer clips. But he could have been referring to an in-universe comic.

    – RBarryYoung
    Mar 21 at 23:56






  • 2





    They weren't originally in the same universe. DC sued for copyright infringement and won because of the exact similarities mentioned...and eventually acquired the rights to the character.

    – rtaft
    Mar 22 at 12:28






  • 6





    To make matters worse, SHAZAM's real name is Captain Marvel.

    – Hannover Fist
    Mar 22 at 16:46













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I am asking this question based on the trailers of the film. As from the trailers, we know that Shazam is pretty much like Superman in terms of superpowers. He can fly, he is bulletproof, has super-strength, can shoot beams. Most of these powers are there with superman. The only difference is how they got their powers.



Now why do they have two superheros with almost similar powers? I don't know about the comic book origin though. Or should I just look at it like a stand-alone different superhero movie with no connection to the Superman-universe?










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I am asking this question based on the trailers of the film. As from the trailers, we know that Shazam is pretty much like Superman in terms of superpowers. He can fly, he is bulletproof, has super-strength, can shoot beams. Most of these powers are there with superman. The only difference is how they got their powers.



Now why do they have two superheros with almost similar powers? I don't know about the comic book origin though. Or should I just look at it like a stand-alone different superhero movie with no connection to the Superman-universe?







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  • 7





    Important note: Shazam's powers are based on magic (and he can shoot magical lightning). Superman is weak to magic.

    – Parrotmaster
    Mar 21 at 10:16






  • 32





    “Only the difference is how they got their powers.” Also Superman doesn't regularly change back into a 10-year-old boy.

    – Paul D. Waite
    Mar 21 at 13:30












  • I thought I heard him mention Superman in one of the trailer clips. But he could have been referring to an in-universe comic.

    – RBarryYoung
    Mar 21 at 23:56






  • 2





    They weren't originally in the same universe. DC sued for copyright infringement and won because of the exact similarities mentioned...and eventually acquired the rights to the character.

    – rtaft
    Mar 22 at 12:28






  • 6





    To make matters worse, SHAZAM's real name is Captain Marvel.

    – Hannover Fist
    Mar 22 at 16:46












  • 7





    Important note: Shazam's powers are based on magic (and he can shoot magical lightning). Superman is weak to magic.

    – Parrotmaster
    Mar 21 at 10:16






  • 32





    “Only the difference is how they got their powers.” Also Superman doesn't regularly change back into a 10-year-old boy.

    – Paul D. Waite
    Mar 21 at 13:30












  • I thought I heard him mention Superman in one of the trailer clips. But he could have been referring to an in-universe comic.

    – RBarryYoung
    Mar 21 at 23:56






  • 2





    They weren't originally in the same universe. DC sued for copyright infringement and won because of the exact similarities mentioned...and eventually acquired the rights to the character.

    – rtaft
    Mar 22 at 12:28






  • 6





    To make matters worse, SHAZAM's real name is Captain Marvel.

    – Hannover Fist
    Mar 22 at 16:46







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Important note: Shazam's powers are based on magic (and he can shoot magical lightning). Superman is weak to magic.

– Parrotmaster
Mar 21 at 10:16





Important note: Shazam's powers are based on magic (and he can shoot magical lightning). Superman is weak to magic.

– Parrotmaster
Mar 21 at 10:16




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“Only the difference is how they got their powers.” Also Superman doesn't regularly change back into a 10-year-old boy.

– Paul D. Waite
Mar 21 at 13:30






“Only the difference is how they got their powers.” Also Superman doesn't regularly change back into a 10-year-old boy.

– Paul D. Waite
Mar 21 at 13:30














I thought I heard him mention Superman in one of the trailer clips. But he could have been referring to an in-universe comic.

– RBarryYoung
Mar 21 at 23:56





I thought I heard him mention Superman in one of the trailer clips. But he could have been referring to an in-universe comic.

– RBarryYoung
Mar 21 at 23:56




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They weren't originally in the same universe. DC sued for copyright infringement and won because of the exact similarities mentioned...and eventually acquired the rights to the character.

– rtaft
Mar 22 at 12:28





They weren't originally in the same universe. DC sued for copyright infringement and won because of the exact similarities mentioned...and eventually acquired the rights to the character.

– rtaft
Mar 22 at 12:28




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To make matters worse, SHAZAM's real name is Captain Marvel.

– Hannover Fist
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To make matters worse, SHAZAM's real name is Captain Marvel.

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Part of what makes superheroes who they are and attracts readers/viewers to them is their origin stories. Superman is an alien with super powers because of his alien status combined with the light of a yellow sun. He's not "one of us", he's an external savior.



One of the central concepts of Shazam is that he could have been anyone. In the film he's Billy, a 14-year-old boy who gets the powers from an old wizard after being chosen:




A boy who is chosen as the "Champion of Eternity" and given powers by an ancient wizard, and transforms into an adult with superpowers when he speaks the sorcerer's name.




This means that anyone could be Billy. Anyone has the chance to become the "Champion of Eternity". It's not decided by something inborn like what your species is, but by the person inside. While you can't ever be Superman because you're human, you could be Shazam. This gives a slightly different appeal/audience to the character.



On top of that, the fact of him really being a teenager gives filmmakers more time to have fun with the character, which is evident in the trailer. You get a comedic superhero film instead of a serious one - I think we can all agree that the recent Superman films are a bit... grey.



So, that's the main answer for me. Different origin story and different tone make a different character even if the powers are somewhat similar...




For reference, Shazam's full slate of powers are somewhat broader and slightly different than Superman's:




These powers include: the wisdom of Solomon, granting increased intellect; the superhuman strength of Hercules, the superhuman stamina of Atlas; powers from Zeus, including the ability to summon lightning as well as being nearly indestructible; the increased courage of Achilles; and the superhuman speed of Mercury, which provides him with the means of flight.




For example, control of lightning isn't really quite the same as shooting lasers out of your eyes.



As to whether it's part of the same DC universe, one of the longer previews (second in the "trailer" link above) shows icons of Batman and headlines in newspapers about Superman (1:34 in timecode) but the film is set in Philadelphia (according to the Wikipedia article) and Billy's foster brother is referred to knowing things about "this caped crusader stuff". The "Certificate of Authenticity" in the image below from the preview may indicate that everything in the drawer is an artefact from a superhero film/TV show rather than being from the world they live in.



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    +1 for a bit... grey.

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    Excellent answer. More important, more than "anyone could be Shazam", it is "every kid could be Shazam". Shazam has an incredible power of attraction to kids. Is there any kid that didn't want to be a hero while reading comics? We could say that there is Shazam because there was already Superman and kids dreaming about him.

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    Interesting side note that this is (I think) the first of the DCU movies to take place in a real city (Philadelphia) rather than the fictional Metropolis, Smallville, Gotham, Liberty City, etc. I suppose some of Wonderwoman was set in London, Paris, etc., but I think that fictional city rule in DC only seems to apply to the US.

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    I think the certificate of authenticity is for the copper colored item in the bag. Possibly a bullet that bounced off superman? That's my guess even though bullets don't deform like that.

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    Mind you, aside from the magic lightning, all of those powers overlap Superman. Superman theoretically has (despite rarely using due to plot-induced stupidity) beyond genius-level intellect (he's been shown to be able to read binary data directly from a computer with x-ray vision + microvision, and reprogram it with heat vision; no human could do that in any timeframe shy of hours even with his other powers), (obviously) superhuman strength/stamina/speed/indestructability, and an "indomitable will" (read: Never gives up, nor gives in to temptation). Shazam is smart flying brick + lightning.

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This can be explained by watching The Big Picture - CAPTAINS COURAGEOUS








Shazam was originally called Captain Marvel and was created by Fawcett after Superman because, as Movie Bob explains, almost everyone was trying to make their own Superman after his success. However National Allied Production, who created Superman and felt they invented the genre, began to sue everyone including Fawcett for ripping them off and ultimately Fawcett lost however since the "Golden Age of Comics" ended, no one cared.



When the Silver Age came DC Comics, which was National's successor, bought the rights to Shazam from what was left of Fawcett. however they wanted to release it under Captain Marvel but before they could, Marvel registered the Trademark with Captain Marvel.



So DC didn't go and invent a new Superman, they bought the rights to a character and its IP from another who, at the time it was being released, was more popular than Superman.



as for any connection to the DC Universe in terms of movies/TV we don't entirely know. i don't recall seeing Shazam's lighting crest in Batman V Superman and i haven't heard of any mention to him in the Arrowverse. at this point in time i would just assume stand alone movie






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    Considering that the movie is going to be his origin, it could be tied in in the future. But who's to say?

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The biggest difference appears to be the character themselves. Yes, they have very similar powers, but good superhero films don't tend to focus solely on displays of those powers, they get old very quickly and there is not much you can do with them.



Motivations and alignment influence a character and the stories quite a lot, as well as their antagonists which they can play off of.

Superman is best described as Lawful Good, and that limits his stories to ones where he generally just upholds justice as he sees fit. Shazam, at least the movie incarnation, appears to be more of a morally grey character as he is still effectively a child. The types of stories you can tell with the two of them are vastly different, even though their skill set is effectively near identical.

Being a child means that Shazam is more malleable as a character, and the writers could in future lead him down different paths that aren't really consistent with Superman. Plots such as corrupting power don't particularly mesh with Superman since he has had his powers for an established period of time, but it would be an organic evolution of Shazam if the writers took him in that direction since he is still immature and given more power than he can really handle.






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    As noted in other answers, going back in comic book history, the character now being called "Shazam" was known as Captain Marvel. He pre-dated the Captain Marvel who you now see on the screen and who originated with Marvel Comics. This earlier Captain Marvel was a competitor (in terms of comic book sales) with Superman and was actually more successful for a while than Superman. That led to a lawsuit which eventually led to shutting down the Shazam Captain Marvel (and ultimately allowed Marvel Comics to create another character with the same name). Eventually DC Comics (owners of Superman) ended up owning the Shazam Captain Marvel. Back in the 1970's there was a kid's Saturday morning TV show based on the character and DC actually published some new comics featuring him.



    Skipping forward to today: Generally speaking, Marvel Comics has great success bringing their characters to the big screen. While there have been notable exceptions, DC Comics has not been as successful. Some of that is seen as the sorts of characters DC has brought to the screen - some people say Superman is too stiff and even too powerful. Going back into the archives and bringing the Shazam character to the movie screen allows for a departure from the straight-laced Superman/Clark Kent character while continuing to allow an extremely powerful hero to be featured. Having the character be a teenager finding his way in the world and learning to use his powers allows more opportunity for moral ambiguity and comic relief.



    Also, it's possible that Superman is a bit overused, while Shazam hasn't really been seen in 40 years or more, and so will seem fresher to audiences who don't know him. At the same time, it may feed on nostalgia for those of us who remember watching him on TV as youngsters.



    Now, if they'd just bring back Isis ...






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      It's pretty common to actually have multiple heroes and/or villains with the same powers or abilities in the same universe. This allows to present the same abilities from the view of a different character. We have Superman/Power Girl/Shazam/Wonder Woman/Martian Manhunter (to name a few) who all arguably have the same power sets, these character archetypes are known as flying bricks, which allow for more exotic conflict -- world ending situations that require that level of super hero ability. That said, the way Superman might deal with a world ending entity (trying to reason with it) varies differently than how Wonder Woman (killing it with great intensity) or other heroes would deal with the problem.



      Along the same vein, a common dichotomy in comic books is Bruce Wayne as opposed to Dick Grayson. Effectively both men are capable filling the bat-shoes (and have), but while Bruce brings a singular mission Dick does not, he's more of an emotionally driven super hero, albeit having the same abilities (including bank account) as Batman. A third bat-like hero is the current Robin, Damien Wayne, who while having the bat abilities has none of the hang ups on killing people as Bruce Wayne or Dick Grayson. These personality and methodology differences help drive the narrative and conflict further than "Caped Crusader beats up bad guy". As the CW has also shown us, Green Arrow can also approximate Batman's power set.



      Other groups of heroes with the same powers (The Green Lantern Corps) also exist -- the Lanterns all have the exact same powers, it's the character interactions and motivational differences that create the narrative here, not "Intergalactic hard light space army smashes space monster with green light blocks".






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      • Are you sure you've been watching the same CW show? Their interpretation is pretty terrible! They took all the worst aspects of various Batman interpretations, discareded the characteristics that makes him interesting and relatable (most notably his absolute unwillingness to kill the bad guys!) and ended up with nothing more than a brutal, psychopathic thug and serial killer who we're supposed to root for because his victims are often (but not always, not by a long shot!) even worse than himself. Well... no. That's not a hero; that's an insult to my intelligence.

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      • @MasonWheeler After the first season, they cleaned up the character and he even stood trial (multiple times) and even went to prison. Though it seems to focus much more on "vigilantism is bad" rather than how much of a pychopathic murderer he was.

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      • @MichaelRichardson Exactly. The show is completely missing the point. Almost all superheroes operate as vigilantes; it's a basic genre convention. The actual problem here is that he isn't a hero, not by any reasonable definition of the word. To be honest the CW's interpretation of Oliver Queen comes across as more of a supervillain who's playing for a different team than the other supervillains.

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        @MasonWheeler based on the criteria (powers) the cw arrow matches batman. We have "Scary", "Rich", "Smart" and "Batman Voice". Along the same vein, Damien Wayne is definitely an anti-hero, but has the same powers as batman -- Besides, CW even had an entire season about The Arrow being the heir to Ra's Al Ghul, you can't tell me they weren't trying to just make Batman with a different name.

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        @Sidney Sure. I'm not denying that their version of the Green Arrow was heavily inspired by Batman to the point of being an obvious knockoff; I'm taking issue with your characterization of him as "a pretty good" Batman. With the exception of the DCU version we saw in Dawn of Justice, who had many of the same flaws, Batman has always been a heroic, if dark, character. This Green Arrow took that basic idea, but turned the "dark" up to 11 to the point where it crowded out the "heroic".

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      Part of what makes superheroes who they are and attracts readers/viewers to them is their origin stories. Superman is an alien with super powers because of his alien status combined with the light of a yellow sun. He's not "one of us", he's an external savior.



      One of the central concepts of Shazam is that he could have been anyone. In the film he's Billy, a 14-year-old boy who gets the powers from an old wizard after being chosen:




      A boy who is chosen as the "Champion of Eternity" and given powers by an ancient wizard, and transforms into an adult with superpowers when he speaks the sorcerer's name.




      This means that anyone could be Billy. Anyone has the chance to become the "Champion of Eternity". It's not decided by something inborn like what your species is, but by the person inside. While you can't ever be Superman because you're human, you could be Shazam. This gives a slightly different appeal/audience to the character.



      On top of that, the fact of him really being a teenager gives filmmakers more time to have fun with the character, which is evident in the trailer. You get a comedic superhero film instead of a serious one - I think we can all agree that the recent Superman films are a bit... grey.



      So, that's the main answer for me. Different origin story and different tone make a different character even if the powers are somewhat similar...




      For reference, Shazam's full slate of powers are somewhat broader and slightly different than Superman's:




      These powers include: the wisdom of Solomon, granting increased intellect; the superhuman strength of Hercules, the superhuman stamina of Atlas; powers from Zeus, including the ability to summon lightning as well as being nearly indestructible; the increased courage of Achilles; and the superhuman speed of Mercury, which provides him with the means of flight.




      For example, control of lightning isn't really quite the same as shooting lasers out of your eyes.



      As to whether it's part of the same DC universe, one of the longer previews (second in the "trailer" link above) shows icons of Batman and headlines in newspapers about Superman (1:34 in timecode) but the film is set in Philadelphia (according to the Wikipedia article) and Billy's foster brother is referred to knowing things about "this caped crusader stuff". The "Certificate of Authenticity" in the image below from the preview may indicate that everything in the drawer is an artefact from a superhero film/TV show rather than being from the world they live in.



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        +1 for a bit... grey.

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        Excellent answer. More important, more than "anyone could be Shazam", it is "every kid could be Shazam". Shazam has an incredible power of attraction to kids. Is there any kid that didn't want to be a hero while reading comics? We could say that there is Shazam because there was already Superman and kids dreaming about him.

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        Mar 21 at 13:54







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        Interesting side note that this is (I think) the first of the DCU movies to take place in a real city (Philadelphia) rather than the fictional Metropolis, Smallville, Gotham, Liberty City, etc. I suppose some of Wonderwoman was set in London, Paris, etc., but I think that fictional city rule in DC only seems to apply to the US.

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        I think the certificate of authenticity is for the copper colored item in the bag. Possibly a bullet that bounced off superman? That's my guess even though bullets don't deform like that.

        – bob0the0mighty
        Mar 21 at 17:40






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        Mind you, aside from the magic lightning, all of those powers overlap Superman. Superman theoretically has (despite rarely using due to plot-induced stupidity) beyond genius-level intellect (he's been shown to be able to read binary data directly from a computer with x-ray vision + microvision, and reprogram it with heat vision; no human could do that in any timeframe shy of hours even with his other powers), (obviously) superhuman strength/stamina/speed/indestructability, and an "indomitable will" (read: Never gives up, nor gives in to temptation). Shazam is smart flying brick + lightning.

        – ShadowRanger
        Mar 22 at 16:15
















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      Part of what makes superheroes who they are and attracts readers/viewers to them is their origin stories. Superman is an alien with super powers because of his alien status combined with the light of a yellow sun. He's not "one of us", he's an external savior.



      One of the central concepts of Shazam is that he could have been anyone. In the film he's Billy, a 14-year-old boy who gets the powers from an old wizard after being chosen:




      A boy who is chosen as the "Champion of Eternity" and given powers by an ancient wizard, and transforms into an adult with superpowers when he speaks the sorcerer's name.




      This means that anyone could be Billy. Anyone has the chance to become the "Champion of Eternity". It's not decided by something inborn like what your species is, but by the person inside. While you can't ever be Superman because you're human, you could be Shazam. This gives a slightly different appeal/audience to the character.



      On top of that, the fact of him really being a teenager gives filmmakers more time to have fun with the character, which is evident in the trailer. You get a comedic superhero film instead of a serious one - I think we can all agree that the recent Superman films are a bit... grey.



      So, that's the main answer for me. Different origin story and different tone make a different character even if the powers are somewhat similar...




      For reference, Shazam's full slate of powers are somewhat broader and slightly different than Superman's:




      These powers include: the wisdom of Solomon, granting increased intellect; the superhuman strength of Hercules, the superhuman stamina of Atlas; powers from Zeus, including the ability to summon lightning as well as being nearly indestructible; the increased courage of Achilles; and the superhuman speed of Mercury, which provides him with the means of flight.




      For example, control of lightning isn't really quite the same as shooting lasers out of your eyes.



      As to whether it's part of the same DC universe, one of the longer previews (second in the "trailer" link above) shows icons of Batman and headlines in newspapers about Superman (1:34 in timecode) but the film is set in Philadelphia (according to the Wikipedia article) and Billy's foster brother is referred to knowing things about "this caped crusader stuff". The "Certificate of Authenticity" in the image below from the preview may indicate that everything in the drawer is an artefact from a superhero film/TV show rather than being from the world they live in.



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        +1 for a bit... grey.

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        Mar 21 at 6:57







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        Excellent answer. More important, more than "anyone could be Shazam", it is "every kid could be Shazam". Shazam has an incredible power of attraction to kids. Is there any kid that didn't want to be a hero while reading comics? We could say that there is Shazam because there was already Superman and kids dreaming about him.

        – Taladris
        Mar 21 at 13:54







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        Interesting side note that this is (I think) the first of the DCU movies to take place in a real city (Philadelphia) rather than the fictional Metropolis, Smallville, Gotham, Liberty City, etc. I suppose some of Wonderwoman was set in London, Paris, etc., but I think that fictional city rule in DC only seems to apply to the US.

        – Darrel Hoffman
        Mar 21 at 16:32







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        I think the certificate of authenticity is for the copper colored item in the bag. Possibly a bullet that bounced off superman? That's my guess even though bullets don't deform like that.

        – bob0the0mighty
        Mar 21 at 17:40






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        Mind you, aside from the magic lightning, all of those powers overlap Superman. Superman theoretically has (despite rarely using due to plot-induced stupidity) beyond genius-level intellect (he's been shown to be able to read binary data directly from a computer with x-ray vision + microvision, and reprogram it with heat vision; no human could do that in any timeframe shy of hours even with his other powers), (obviously) superhuman strength/stamina/speed/indestructability, and an "indomitable will" (read: Never gives up, nor gives in to temptation). Shazam is smart flying brick + lightning.

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      Part of what makes superheroes who they are and attracts readers/viewers to them is their origin stories. Superman is an alien with super powers because of his alien status combined with the light of a yellow sun. He's not "one of us", he's an external savior.



      One of the central concepts of Shazam is that he could have been anyone. In the film he's Billy, a 14-year-old boy who gets the powers from an old wizard after being chosen:




      A boy who is chosen as the "Champion of Eternity" and given powers by an ancient wizard, and transforms into an adult with superpowers when he speaks the sorcerer's name.




      This means that anyone could be Billy. Anyone has the chance to become the "Champion of Eternity". It's not decided by something inborn like what your species is, but by the person inside. While you can't ever be Superman because you're human, you could be Shazam. This gives a slightly different appeal/audience to the character.



      On top of that, the fact of him really being a teenager gives filmmakers more time to have fun with the character, which is evident in the trailer. You get a comedic superhero film instead of a serious one - I think we can all agree that the recent Superman films are a bit... grey.



      So, that's the main answer for me. Different origin story and different tone make a different character even if the powers are somewhat similar...




      For reference, Shazam's full slate of powers are somewhat broader and slightly different than Superman's:




      These powers include: the wisdom of Solomon, granting increased intellect; the superhuman strength of Hercules, the superhuman stamina of Atlas; powers from Zeus, including the ability to summon lightning as well as being nearly indestructible; the increased courage of Achilles; and the superhuman speed of Mercury, which provides him with the means of flight.




      For example, control of lightning isn't really quite the same as shooting lasers out of your eyes.



      As to whether it's part of the same DC universe, one of the longer previews (second in the "trailer" link above) shows icons of Batman and headlines in newspapers about Superman (1:34 in timecode) but the film is set in Philadelphia (according to the Wikipedia article) and Billy's foster brother is referred to knowing things about "this caped crusader stuff". The "Certificate of Authenticity" in the image below from the preview may indicate that everything in the drawer is an artefact from a superhero film/TV show rather than being from the world they live in.



      Image of newspapers and headlines






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      Part of what makes superheroes who they are and attracts readers/viewers to them is their origin stories. Superman is an alien with super powers because of his alien status combined with the light of a yellow sun. He's not "one of us", he's an external savior.



      One of the central concepts of Shazam is that he could have been anyone. In the film he's Billy, a 14-year-old boy who gets the powers from an old wizard after being chosen:




      A boy who is chosen as the "Champion of Eternity" and given powers by an ancient wizard, and transforms into an adult with superpowers when he speaks the sorcerer's name.




      This means that anyone could be Billy. Anyone has the chance to become the "Champion of Eternity". It's not decided by something inborn like what your species is, but by the person inside. While you can't ever be Superman because you're human, you could be Shazam. This gives a slightly different appeal/audience to the character.



      On top of that, the fact of him really being a teenager gives filmmakers more time to have fun with the character, which is evident in the trailer. You get a comedic superhero film instead of a serious one - I think we can all agree that the recent Superman films are a bit... grey.



      So, that's the main answer for me. Different origin story and different tone make a different character even if the powers are somewhat similar...




      For reference, Shazam's full slate of powers are somewhat broader and slightly different than Superman's:




      These powers include: the wisdom of Solomon, granting increased intellect; the superhuman strength of Hercules, the superhuman stamina of Atlas; powers from Zeus, including the ability to summon lightning as well as being nearly indestructible; the increased courage of Achilles; and the superhuman speed of Mercury, which provides him with the means of flight.




      For example, control of lightning isn't really quite the same as shooting lasers out of your eyes.



      As to whether it's part of the same DC universe, one of the longer previews (second in the "trailer" link above) shows icons of Batman and headlines in newspapers about Superman (1:34 in timecode) but the film is set in Philadelphia (according to the Wikipedia article) and Billy's foster brother is referred to knowing things about "this caped crusader stuff". The "Certificate of Authenticity" in the image below from the preview may indicate that everything in the drawer is an artefact from a superhero film/TV show rather than being from the world they live in.



      Image of newspapers and headlines







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        +1 for a bit... grey.

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        Excellent answer. More important, more than "anyone could be Shazam", it is "every kid could be Shazam". Shazam has an incredible power of attraction to kids. Is there any kid that didn't want to be a hero while reading comics? We could say that there is Shazam because there was already Superman and kids dreaming about him.

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        Interesting side note that this is (I think) the first of the DCU movies to take place in a real city (Philadelphia) rather than the fictional Metropolis, Smallville, Gotham, Liberty City, etc. I suppose some of Wonderwoman was set in London, Paris, etc., but I think that fictional city rule in DC only seems to apply to the US.

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        I think the certificate of authenticity is for the copper colored item in the bag. Possibly a bullet that bounced off superman? That's my guess even though bullets don't deform like that.

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        Mind you, aside from the magic lightning, all of those powers overlap Superman. Superman theoretically has (despite rarely using due to plot-induced stupidity) beyond genius-level intellect (he's been shown to be able to read binary data directly from a computer with x-ray vision + microvision, and reprogram it with heat vision; no human could do that in any timeframe shy of hours even with his other powers), (obviously) superhuman strength/stamina/speed/indestructability, and an "indomitable will" (read: Never gives up, nor gives in to temptation). Shazam is smart flying brick + lightning.

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        +1 for a bit... grey.

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        Excellent answer. More important, more than "anyone could be Shazam", it is "every kid could be Shazam". Shazam has an incredible power of attraction to kids. Is there any kid that didn't want to be a hero while reading comics? We could say that there is Shazam because there was already Superman and kids dreaming about him.

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        Interesting side note that this is (I think) the first of the DCU movies to take place in a real city (Philadelphia) rather than the fictional Metropolis, Smallville, Gotham, Liberty City, etc. I suppose some of Wonderwoman was set in London, Paris, etc., but I think that fictional city rule in DC only seems to apply to the US.

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        I think the certificate of authenticity is for the copper colored item in the bag. Possibly a bullet that bounced off superman? That's my guess even though bullets don't deform like that.

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        Mind you, aside from the magic lightning, all of those powers overlap Superman. Superman theoretically has (despite rarely using due to plot-induced stupidity) beyond genius-level intellect (he's been shown to be able to read binary data directly from a computer with x-ray vision + microvision, and reprogram it with heat vision; no human could do that in any timeframe shy of hours even with his other powers), (obviously) superhuman strength/stamina/speed/indestructability, and an "indomitable will" (read: Never gives up, nor gives in to temptation). Shazam is smart flying brick + lightning.

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      +1 for a bit... grey.

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      +1 for a bit... grey.

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      Excellent answer. More important, more than "anyone could be Shazam", it is "every kid could be Shazam". Shazam has an incredible power of attraction to kids. Is there any kid that didn't want to be a hero while reading comics? We could say that there is Shazam because there was already Superman and kids dreaming about him.

      – Taladris
      Mar 21 at 13:54






      Excellent answer. More important, more than "anyone could be Shazam", it is "every kid could be Shazam". Shazam has an incredible power of attraction to kids. Is there any kid that didn't want to be a hero while reading comics? We could say that there is Shazam because there was already Superman and kids dreaming about him.

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      Interesting side note that this is (I think) the first of the DCU movies to take place in a real city (Philadelphia) rather than the fictional Metropolis, Smallville, Gotham, Liberty City, etc. I suppose some of Wonderwoman was set in London, Paris, etc., but I think that fictional city rule in DC only seems to apply to the US.

      – Darrel Hoffman
      Mar 21 at 16:32






      Interesting side note that this is (I think) the first of the DCU movies to take place in a real city (Philadelphia) rather than the fictional Metropolis, Smallville, Gotham, Liberty City, etc. I suppose some of Wonderwoman was set in London, Paris, etc., but I think that fictional city rule in DC only seems to apply to the US.

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      I think the certificate of authenticity is for the copper colored item in the bag. Possibly a bullet that bounced off superman? That's my guess even though bullets don't deform like that.

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      I think the certificate of authenticity is for the copper colored item in the bag. Possibly a bullet that bounced off superman? That's my guess even though bullets don't deform like that.

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      Mind you, aside from the magic lightning, all of those powers overlap Superman. Superman theoretically has (despite rarely using due to plot-induced stupidity) beyond genius-level intellect (he's been shown to be able to read binary data directly from a computer with x-ray vision + microvision, and reprogram it with heat vision; no human could do that in any timeframe shy of hours even with his other powers), (obviously) superhuman strength/stamina/speed/indestructability, and an "indomitable will" (read: Never gives up, nor gives in to temptation). Shazam is smart flying brick + lightning.

      – ShadowRanger
      Mar 22 at 16:15






      Mind you, aside from the magic lightning, all of those powers overlap Superman. Superman theoretically has (despite rarely using due to plot-induced stupidity) beyond genius-level intellect (he's been shown to be able to read binary data directly from a computer with x-ray vision + microvision, and reprogram it with heat vision; no human could do that in any timeframe shy of hours even with his other powers), (obviously) superhuman strength/stamina/speed/indestructability, and an "indomitable will" (read: Never gives up, nor gives in to temptation). Shazam is smart flying brick + lightning.

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      This can be explained by watching The Big Picture - CAPTAINS COURAGEOUS








      Shazam was originally called Captain Marvel and was created by Fawcett after Superman because, as Movie Bob explains, almost everyone was trying to make their own Superman after his success. However National Allied Production, who created Superman and felt they invented the genre, began to sue everyone including Fawcett for ripping them off and ultimately Fawcett lost however since the "Golden Age of Comics" ended, no one cared.



      When the Silver Age came DC Comics, which was National's successor, bought the rights to Shazam from what was left of Fawcett. however they wanted to release it under Captain Marvel but before they could, Marvel registered the Trademark with Captain Marvel.



      So DC didn't go and invent a new Superman, they bought the rights to a character and its IP from another who, at the time it was being released, was more popular than Superman.



      as for any connection to the DC Universe in terms of movies/TV we don't entirely know. i don't recall seeing Shazam's lighting crest in Batman V Superman and i haven't heard of any mention to him in the Arrowverse. at this point in time i would just assume stand alone movie






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        Considering that the movie is going to be his origin, it could be tied in in the future. But who's to say?

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        @Baldrickk Probably no one at Warner/DC knows either ;)

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      • Yeah. Probably depends a lot on how it is received, and how they might be able to mix the more comedy focused character with their more serious ones

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      This can be explained by watching The Big Picture - CAPTAINS COURAGEOUS








      Shazam was originally called Captain Marvel and was created by Fawcett after Superman because, as Movie Bob explains, almost everyone was trying to make their own Superman after his success. However National Allied Production, who created Superman and felt they invented the genre, began to sue everyone including Fawcett for ripping them off and ultimately Fawcett lost however since the "Golden Age of Comics" ended, no one cared.



      When the Silver Age came DC Comics, which was National's successor, bought the rights to Shazam from what was left of Fawcett. however they wanted to release it under Captain Marvel but before they could, Marvel registered the Trademark with Captain Marvel.



      So DC didn't go and invent a new Superman, they bought the rights to a character and its IP from another who, at the time it was being released, was more popular than Superman.



      as for any connection to the DC Universe in terms of movies/TV we don't entirely know. i don't recall seeing Shazam's lighting crest in Batman V Superman and i haven't heard of any mention to him in the Arrowverse. at this point in time i would just assume stand alone movie






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        Considering that the movie is going to be his origin, it could be tied in in the future. But who's to say?

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        @Baldrickk Probably no one at Warner/DC knows either ;)

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      This can be explained by watching The Big Picture - CAPTAINS COURAGEOUS








      Shazam was originally called Captain Marvel and was created by Fawcett after Superman because, as Movie Bob explains, almost everyone was trying to make their own Superman after his success. However National Allied Production, who created Superman and felt they invented the genre, began to sue everyone including Fawcett for ripping them off and ultimately Fawcett lost however since the "Golden Age of Comics" ended, no one cared.



      When the Silver Age came DC Comics, which was National's successor, bought the rights to Shazam from what was left of Fawcett. however they wanted to release it under Captain Marvel but before they could, Marvel registered the Trademark with Captain Marvel.



      So DC didn't go and invent a new Superman, they bought the rights to a character and its IP from another who, at the time it was being released, was more popular than Superman.



      as for any connection to the DC Universe in terms of movies/TV we don't entirely know. i don't recall seeing Shazam's lighting crest in Batman V Superman and i haven't heard of any mention to him in the Arrowverse. at this point in time i would just assume stand alone movie






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      This can be explained by watching The Big Picture - CAPTAINS COURAGEOUS








      Shazam was originally called Captain Marvel and was created by Fawcett after Superman because, as Movie Bob explains, almost everyone was trying to make their own Superman after his success. However National Allied Production, who created Superman and felt they invented the genre, began to sue everyone including Fawcett for ripping them off and ultimately Fawcett lost however since the "Golden Age of Comics" ended, no one cared.



      When the Silver Age came DC Comics, which was National's successor, bought the rights to Shazam from what was left of Fawcett. however they wanted to release it under Captain Marvel but before they could, Marvel registered the Trademark with Captain Marvel.



      So DC didn't go and invent a new Superman, they bought the rights to a character and its IP from another who, at the time it was being released, was more popular than Superman.



      as for any connection to the DC Universe in terms of movies/TV we don't entirely know. i don't recall seeing Shazam's lighting crest in Batman V Superman and i haven't heard of any mention to him in the Arrowverse. at this point in time i would just assume stand alone movie















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        Considering that the movie is going to be his origin, it could be tied in in the future. But who's to say?

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        @Baldrickk Probably no one at Warner/DC knows either ;)

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        Considering that the movie is going to be his origin, it could be tied in in the future. But who's to say?

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        @Baldrickk Probably no one at Warner/DC knows either ;)

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      Considering that the movie is going to be his origin, it could be tied in in the future. But who's to say?

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      Considering that the movie is going to be his origin, it could be tied in in the future. But who's to say?

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      @Baldrickk Probably no one at Warner/DC knows either ;)

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      @Baldrickk Probably no one at Warner/DC knows either ;)

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      Yeah. Probably depends a lot on how it is received, and how they might be able to mix the more comedy focused character with their more serious ones

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      Yeah. Probably depends a lot on how it is received, and how they might be able to mix the more comedy focused character with their more serious ones

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      The biggest difference appears to be the character themselves. Yes, they have very similar powers, but good superhero films don't tend to focus solely on displays of those powers, they get old very quickly and there is not much you can do with them.



      Motivations and alignment influence a character and the stories quite a lot, as well as their antagonists which they can play off of.

      Superman is best described as Lawful Good, and that limits his stories to ones where he generally just upholds justice as he sees fit. Shazam, at least the movie incarnation, appears to be more of a morally grey character as he is still effectively a child. The types of stories you can tell with the two of them are vastly different, even though their skill set is effectively near identical.

      Being a child means that Shazam is more malleable as a character, and the writers could in future lead him down different paths that aren't really consistent with Superman. Plots such as corrupting power don't particularly mesh with Superman since he has had his powers for an established period of time, but it would be an organic evolution of Shazam if the writers took him in that direction since he is still immature and given more power than he can really handle.






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        The biggest difference appears to be the character themselves. Yes, they have very similar powers, but good superhero films don't tend to focus solely on displays of those powers, they get old very quickly and there is not much you can do with them.



        Motivations and alignment influence a character and the stories quite a lot, as well as their antagonists which they can play off of.

        Superman is best described as Lawful Good, and that limits his stories to ones where he generally just upholds justice as he sees fit. Shazam, at least the movie incarnation, appears to be more of a morally grey character as he is still effectively a child. The types of stories you can tell with the two of them are vastly different, even though their skill set is effectively near identical.

        Being a child means that Shazam is more malleable as a character, and the writers could in future lead him down different paths that aren't really consistent with Superman. Plots such as corrupting power don't particularly mesh with Superman since he has had his powers for an established period of time, but it would be an organic evolution of Shazam if the writers took him in that direction since he is still immature and given more power than he can really handle.






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          The biggest difference appears to be the character themselves. Yes, they have very similar powers, but good superhero films don't tend to focus solely on displays of those powers, they get old very quickly and there is not much you can do with them.



          Motivations and alignment influence a character and the stories quite a lot, as well as their antagonists which they can play off of.

          Superman is best described as Lawful Good, and that limits his stories to ones where he generally just upholds justice as he sees fit. Shazam, at least the movie incarnation, appears to be more of a morally grey character as he is still effectively a child. The types of stories you can tell with the two of them are vastly different, even though their skill set is effectively near identical.

          Being a child means that Shazam is more malleable as a character, and the writers could in future lead him down different paths that aren't really consistent with Superman. Plots such as corrupting power don't particularly mesh with Superman since he has had his powers for an established period of time, but it would be an organic evolution of Shazam if the writers took him in that direction since he is still immature and given more power than he can really handle.






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          The biggest difference appears to be the character themselves. Yes, they have very similar powers, but good superhero films don't tend to focus solely on displays of those powers, they get old very quickly and there is not much you can do with them.



          Motivations and alignment influence a character and the stories quite a lot, as well as their antagonists which they can play off of.

          Superman is best described as Lawful Good, and that limits his stories to ones where he generally just upholds justice as he sees fit. Shazam, at least the movie incarnation, appears to be more of a morally grey character as he is still effectively a child. The types of stories you can tell with the two of them are vastly different, even though their skill set is effectively near identical.

          Being a child means that Shazam is more malleable as a character, and the writers could in future lead him down different paths that aren't really consistent with Superman. Plots such as corrupting power don't particularly mesh with Superman since he has had his powers for an established period of time, but it would be an organic evolution of Shazam if the writers took him in that direction since he is still immature and given more power than he can really handle.







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              As noted in other answers, going back in comic book history, the character now being called "Shazam" was known as Captain Marvel. He pre-dated the Captain Marvel who you now see on the screen and who originated with Marvel Comics. This earlier Captain Marvel was a competitor (in terms of comic book sales) with Superman and was actually more successful for a while than Superman. That led to a lawsuit which eventually led to shutting down the Shazam Captain Marvel (and ultimately allowed Marvel Comics to create another character with the same name). Eventually DC Comics (owners of Superman) ended up owning the Shazam Captain Marvel. Back in the 1970's there was a kid's Saturday morning TV show based on the character and DC actually published some new comics featuring him.



              Skipping forward to today: Generally speaking, Marvel Comics has great success bringing their characters to the big screen. While there have been notable exceptions, DC Comics has not been as successful. Some of that is seen as the sorts of characters DC has brought to the screen - some people say Superman is too stiff and even too powerful. Going back into the archives and bringing the Shazam character to the movie screen allows for a departure from the straight-laced Superman/Clark Kent character while continuing to allow an extremely powerful hero to be featured. Having the character be a teenager finding his way in the world and learning to use his powers allows more opportunity for moral ambiguity and comic relief.



              Also, it's possible that Superman is a bit overused, while Shazam hasn't really been seen in 40 years or more, and so will seem fresher to audiences who don't know him. At the same time, it may feed on nostalgia for those of us who remember watching him on TV as youngsters.



              Now, if they'd just bring back Isis ...






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                As noted in other answers, going back in comic book history, the character now being called "Shazam" was known as Captain Marvel. He pre-dated the Captain Marvel who you now see on the screen and who originated with Marvel Comics. This earlier Captain Marvel was a competitor (in terms of comic book sales) with Superman and was actually more successful for a while than Superman. That led to a lawsuit which eventually led to shutting down the Shazam Captain Marvel (and ultimately allowed Marvel Comics to create another character with the same name). Eventually DC Comics (owners of Superman) ended up owning the Shazam Captain Marvel. Back in the 1970's there was a kid's Saturday morning TV show based on the character and DC actually published some new comics featuring him.



                Skipping forward to today: Generally speaking, Marvel Comics has great success bringing their characters to the big screen. While there have been notable exceptions, DC Comics has not been as successful. Some of that is seen as the sorts of characters DC has brought to the screen - some people say Superman is too stiff and even too powerful. Going back into the archives and bringing the Shazam character to the movie screen allows for a departure from the straight-laced Superman/Clark Kent character while continuing to allow an extremely powerful hero to be featured. Having the character be a teenager finding his way in the world and learning to use his powers allows more opportunity for moral ambiguity and comic relief.



                Also, it's possible that Superman is a bit overused, while Shazam hasn't really been seen in 40 years or more, and so will seem fresher to audiences who don't know him. At the same time, it may feed on nostalgia for those of us who remember watching him on TV as youngsters.



                Now, if they'd just bring back Isis ...






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                  As noted in other answers, going back in comic book history, the character now being called "Shazam" was known as Captain Marvel. He pre-dated the Captain Marvel who you now see on the screen and who originated with Marvel Comics. This earlier Captain Marvel was a competitor (in terms of comic book sales) with Superman and was actually more successful for a while than Superman. That led to a lawsuit which eventually led to shutting down the Shazam Captain Marvel (and ultimately allowed Marvel Comics to create another character with the same name). Eventually DC Comics (owners of Superman) ended up owning the Shazam Captain Marvel. Back in the 1970's there was a kid's Saturday morning TV show based on the character and DC actually published some new comics featuring him.



                  Skipping forward to today: Generally speaking, Marvel Comics has great success bringing their characters to the big screen. While there have been notable exceptions, DC Comics has not been as successful. Some of that is seen as the sorts of characters DC has brought to the screen - some people say Superman is too stiff and even too powerful. Going back into the archives and bringing the Shazam character to the movie screen allows for a departure from the straight-laced Superman/Clark Kent character while continuing to allow an extremely powerful hero to be featured. Having the character be a teenager finding his way in the world and learning to use his powers allows more opportunity for moral ambiguity and comic relief.



                  Also, it's possible that Superman is a bit overused, while Shazam hasn't really been seen in 40 years or more, and so will seem fresher to audiences who don't know him. At the same time, it may feed on nostalgia for those of us who remember watching him on TV as youngsters.



                  Now, if they'd just bring back Isis ...






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                  As noted in other answers, going back in comic book history, the character now being called "Shazam" was known as Captain Marvel. He pre-dated the Captain Marvel who you now see on the screen and who originated with Marvel Comics. This earlier Captain Marvel was a competitor (in terms of comic book sales) with Superman and was actually more successful for a while than Superman. That led to a lawsuit which eventually led to shutting down the Shazam Captain Marvel (and ultimately allowed Marvel Comics to create another character with the same name). Eventually DC Comics (owners of Superman) ended up owning the Shazam Captain Marvel. Back in the 1970's there was a kid's Saturday morning TV show based on the character and DC actually published some new comics featuring him.



                  Skipping forward to today: Generally speaking, Marvel Comics has great success bringing their characters to the big screen. While there have been notable exceptions, DC Comics has not been as successful. Some of that is seen as the sorts of characters DC has brought to the screen - some people say Superman is too stiff and even too powerful. Going back into the archives and bringing the Shazam character to the movie screen allows for a departure from the straight-laced Superman/Clark Kent character while continuing to allow an extremely powerful hero to be featured. Having the character be a teenager finding his way in the world and learning to use his powers allows more opportunity for moral ambiguity and comic relief.



                  Also, it's possible that Superman is a bit overused, while Shazam hasn't really been seen in 40 years or more, and so will seem fresher to audiences who don't know him. At the same time, it may feed on nostalgia for those of us who remember watching him on TV as youngsters.



                  Now, if they'd just bring back Isis ...







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                      It's pretty common to actually have multiple heroes and/or villains with the same powers or abilities in the same universe. This allows to present the same abilities from the view of a different character. We have Superman/Power Girl/Shazam/Wonder Woman/Martian Manhunter (to name a few) who all arguably have the same power sets, these character archetypes are known as flying bricks, which allow for more exotic conflict -- world ending situations that require that level of super hero ability. That said, the way Superman might deal with a world ending entity (trying to reason with it) varies differently than how Wonder Woman (killing it with great intensity) or other heroes would deal with the problem.



                      Along the same vein, a common dichotomy in comic books is Bruce Wayne as opposed to Dick Grayson. Effectively both men are capable filling the bat-shoes (and have), but while Bruce brings a singular mission Dick does not, he's more of an emotionally driven super hero, albeit having the same abilities (including bank account) as Batman. A third bat-like hero is the current Robin, Damien Wayne, who while having the bat abilities has none of the hang ups on killing people as Bruce Wayne or Dick Grayson. These personality and methodology differences help drive the narrative and conflict further than "Caped Crusader beats up bad guy". As the CW has also shown us, Green Arrow can also approximate Batman's power set.



                      Other groups of heroes with the same powers (The Green Lantern Corps) also exist -- the Lanterns all have the exact same powers, it's the character interactions and motivational differences that create the narrative here, not "Intergalactic hard light space army smashes space monster with green light blocks".






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                      • Are you sure you've been watching the same CW show? Their interpretation is pretty terrible! They took all the worst aspects of various Batman interpretations, discareded the characteristics that makes him interesting and relatable (most notably his absolute unwillingness to kill the bad guys!) and ended up with nothing more than a brutal, psychopathic thug and serial killer who we're supposed to root for because his victims are often (but not always, not by a long shot!) even worse than himself. Well... no. That's not a hero; that's an insult to my intelligence.

                        – Mason Wheeler
                        Mar 21 at 14:40











                      • @MasonWheeler After the first season, they cleaned up the character and he even stood trial (multiple times) and even went to prison. Though it seems to focus much more on "vigilantism is bad" rather than how much of a pychopathic murderer he was.

                        – Michael Richardson
                        Mar 21 at 15:16











                      • @MichaelRichardson Exactly. The show is completely missing the point. Almost all superheroes operate as vigilantes; it's a basic genre convention. The actual problem here is that he isn't a hero, not by any reasonable definition of the word. To be honest the CW's interpretation of Oliver Queen comes across as more of a supervillain who's playing for a different team than the other supervillains.

                        – Mason Wheeler
                        Mar 21 at 15:32







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                        @MasonWheeler based on the criteria (powers) the cw arrow matches batman. We have "Scary", "Rich", "Smart" and "Batman Voice". Along the same vein, Damien Wayne is definitely an anti-hero, but has the same powers as batman -- Besides, CW even had an entire season about The Arrow being the heir to Ra's Al Ghul, you can't tell me they weren't trying to just make Batman with a different name.

                        – Sidney
                        Mar 21 at 16:10







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                        @Sidney Sure. I'm not denying that their version of the Green Arrow was heavily inspired by Batman to the point of being an obvious knockoff; I'm taking issue with your characterization of him as "a pretty good" Batman. With the exception of the DCU version we saw in Dawn of Justice, who had many of the same flaws, Batman has always been a heroic, if dark, character. This Green Arrow took that basic idea, but turned the "dark" up to 11 to the point where it crowded out the "heroic".

                        – Mason Wheeler
                        Mar 21 at 16:55















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                      It's pretty common to actually have multiple heroes and/or villains with the same powers or abilities in the same universe. This allows to present the same abilities from the view of a different character. We have Superman/Power Girl/Shazam/Wonder Woman/Martian Manhunter (to name a few) who all arguably have the same power sets, these character archetypes are known as flying bricks, which allow for more exotic conflict -- world ending situations that require that level of super hero ability. That said, the way Superman might deal with a world ending entity (trying to reason with it) varies differently than how Wonder Woman (killing it with great intensity) or other heroes would deal with the problem.



                      Along the same vein, a common dichotomy in comic books is Bruce Wayne as opposed to Dick Grayson. Effectively both men are capable filling the bat-shoes (and have), but while Bruce brings a singular mission Dick does not, he's more of an emotionally driven super hero, albeit having the same abilities (including bank account) as Batman. A third bat-like hero is the current Robin, Damien Wayne, who while having the bat abilities has none of the hang ups on killing people as Bruce Wayne or Dick Grayson. These personality and methodology differences help drive the narrative and conflict further than "Caped Crusader beats up bad guy". As the CW has also shown us, Green Arrow can also approximate Batman's power set.



                      Other groups of heroes with the same powers (The Green Lantern Corps) also exist -- the Lanterns all have the exact same powers, it's the character interactions and motivational differences that create the narrative here, not "Intergalactic hard light space army smashes space monster with green light blocks".






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                      • Are you sure you've been watching the same CW show? Their interpretation is pretty terrible! They took all the worst aspects of various Batman interpretations, discareded the characteristics that makes him interesting and relatable (most notably his absolute unwillingness to kill the bad guys!) and ended up with nothing more than a brutal, psychopathic thug and serial killer who we're supposed to root for because his victims are often (but not always, not by a long shot!) even worse than himself. Well... no. That's not a hero; that's an insult to my intelligence.

                        – Mason Wheeler
                        Mar 21 at 14:40











                      • @MasonWheeler After the first season, they cleaned up the character and he even stood trial (multiple times) and even went to prison. Though it seems to focus much more on "vigilantism is bad" rather than how much of a pychopathic murderer he was.

                        – Michael Richardson
                        Mar 21 at 15:16











                      • @MichaelRichardson Exactly. The show is completely missing the point. Almost all superheroes operate as vigilantes; it's a basic genre convention. The actual problem here is that he isn't a hero, not by any reasonable definition of the word. To be honest the CW's interpretation of Oliver Queen comes across as more of a supervillain who's playing for a different team than the other supervillains.

                        – Mason Wheeler
                        Mar 21 at 15:32







                      • 1





                        @MasonWheeler based on the criteria (powers) the cw arrow matches batman. We have "Scary", "Rich", "Smart" and "Batman Voice". Along the same vein, Damien Wayne is definitely an anti-hero, but has the same powers as batman -- Besides, CW even had an entire season about The Arrow being the heir to Ra's Al Ghul, you can't tell me they weren't trying to just make Batman with a different name.

                        – Sidney
                        Mar 21 at 16:10







                      • 1





                        @Sidney Sure. I'm not denying that their version of the Green Arrow was heavily inspired by Batman to the point of being an obvious knockoff; I'm taking issue with your characterization of him as "a pretty good" Batman. With the exception of the DCU version we saw in Dawn of Justice, who had many of the same flaws, Batman has always been a heroic, if dark, character. This Green Arrow took that basic idea, but turned the "dark" up to 11 to the point where it crowded out the "heroic".

                        – Mason Wheeler
                        Mar 21 at 16:55













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                      It's pretty common to actually have multiple heroes and/or villains with the same powers or abilities in the same universe. This allows to present the same abilities from the view of a different character. We have Superman/Power Girl/Shazam/Wonder Woman/Martian Manhunter (to name a few) who all arguably have the same power sets, these character archetypes are known as flying bricks, which allow for more exotic conflict -- world ending situations that require that level of super hero ability. That said, the way Superman might deal with a world ending entity (trying to reason with it) varies differently than how Wonder Woman (killing it with great intensity) or other heroes would deal with the problem.



                      Along the same vein, a common dichotomy in comic books is Bruce Wayne as opposed to Dick Grayson. Effectively both men are capable filling the bat-shoes (and have), but while Bruce brings a singular mission Dick does not, he's more of an emotionally driven super hero, albeit having the same abilities (including bank account) as Batman. A third bat-like hero is the current Robin, Damien Wayne, who while having the bat abilities has none of the hang ups on killing people as Bruce Wayne or Dick Grayson. These personality and methodology differences help drive the narrative and conflict further than "Caped Crusader beats up bad guy". As the CW has also shown us, Green Arrow can also approximate Batman's power set.



                      Other groups of heroes with the same powers (The Green Lantern Corps) also exist -- the Lanterns all have the exact same powers, it's the character interactions and motivational differences that create the narrative here, not "Intergalactic hard light space army smashes space monster with green light blocks".






                      share|improve this answer















                      It's pretty common to actually have multiple heroes and/or villains with the same powers or abilities in the same universe. This allows to present the same abilities from the view of a different character. We have Superman/Power Girl/Shazam/Wonder Woman/Martian Manhunter (to name a few) who all arguably have the same power sets, these character archetypes are known as flying bricks, which allow for more exotic conflict -- world ending situations that require that level of super hero ability. That said, the way Superman might deal with a world ending entity (trying to reason with it) varies differently than how Wonder Woman (killing it with great intensity) or other heroes would deal with the problem.



                      Along the same vein, a common dichotomy in comic books is Bruce Wayne as opposed to Dick Grayson. Effectively both men are capable filling the bat-shoes (and have), but while Bruce brings a singular mission Dick does not, he's more of an emotionally driven super hero, albeit having the same abilities (including bank account) as Batman. A third bat-like hero is the current Robin, Damien Wayne, who while having the bat abilities has none of the hang ups on killing people as Bruce Wayne or Dick Grayson. These personality and methodology differences help drive the narrative and conflict further than "Caped Crusader beats up bad guy". As the CW has also shown us, Green Arrow can also approximate Batman's power set.



                      Other groups of heroes with the same powers (The Green Lantern Corps) also exist -- the Lanterns all have the exact same powers, it's the character interactions and motivational differences that create the narrative here, not "Intergalactic hard light space army smashes space monster with green light blocks".







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                      • Are you sure you've been watching the same CW show? Their interpretation is pretty terrible! They took all the worst aspects of various Batman interpretations, discareded the characteristics that makes him interesting and relatable (most notably his absolute unwillingness to kill the bad guys!) and ended up with nothing more than a brutal, psychopathic thug and serial killer who we're supposed to root for because his victims are often (but not always, not by a long shot!) even worse than himself. Well... no. That's not a hero; that's an insult to my intelligence.

                        – Mason Wheeler
                        Mar 21 at 14:40











                      • @MasonWheeler After the first season, they cleaned up the character and he even stood trial (multiple times) and even went to prison. Though it seems to focus much more on "vigilantism is bad" rather than how much of a pychopathic murderer he was.

                        – Michael Richardson
                        Mar 21 at 15:16











                      • @MichaelRichardson Exactly. The show is completely missing the point. Almost all superheroes operate as vigilantes; it's a basic genre convention. The actual problem here is that he isn't a hero, not by any reasonable definition of the word. To be honest the CW's interpretation of Oliver Queen comes across as more of a supervillain who's playing for a different team than the other supervillains.

                        – Mason Wheeler
                        Mar 21 at 15:32







                      • 1





                        @MasonWheeler based on the criteria (powers) the cw arrow matches batman. We have "Scary", "Rich", "Smart" and "Batman Voice". Along the same vein, Damien Wayne is definitely an anti-hero, but has the same powers as batman -- Besides, CW even had an entire season about The Arrow being the heir to Ra's Al Ghul, you can't tell me they weren't trying to just make Batman with a different name.

                        – Sidney
                        Mar 21 at 16:10







                      • 1





                        @Sidney Sure. I'm not denying that their version of the Green Arrow was heavily inspired by Batman to the point of being an obvious knockoff; I'm taking issue with your characterization of him as "a pretty good" Batman. With the exception of the DCU version we saw in Dawn of Justice, who had many of the same flaws, Batman has always been a heroic, if dark, character. This Green Arrow took that basic idea, but turned the "dark" up to 11 to the point where it crowded out the "heroic".

                        – Mason Wheeler
                        Mar 21 at 16:55

















                      • Are you sure you've been watching the same CW show? Their interpretation is pretty terrible! They took all the worst aspects of various Batman interpretations, discareded the characteristics that makes him interesting and relatable (most notably his absolute unwillingness to kill the bad guys!) and ended up with nothing more than a brutal, psychopathic thug and serial killer who we're supposed to root for because his victims are often (but not always, not by a long shot!) even worse than himself. Well... no. That's not a hero; that's an insult to my intelligence.

                        – Mason Wheeler
                        Mar 21 at 14:40











                      • @MasonWheeler After the first season, they cleaned up the character and he even stood trial (multiple times) and even went to prison. Though it seems to focus much more on "vigilantism is bad" rather than how much of a pychopathic murderer he was.

                        – Michael Richardson
                        Mar 21 at 15:16











                      • @MichaelRichardson Exactly. The show is completely missing the point. Almost all superheroes operate as vigilantes; it's a basic genre convention. The actual problem here is that he isn't a hero, not by any reasonable definition of the word. To be honest the CW's interpretation of Oliver Queen comes across as more of a supervillain who's playing for a different team than the other supervillains.

                        – Mason Wheeler
                        Mar 21 at 15:32







                      • 1





                        @MasonWheeler based on the criteria (powers) the cw arrow matches batman. We have "Scary", "Rich", "Smart" and "Batman Voice". Along the same vein, Damien Wayne is definitely an anti-hero, but has the same powers as batman -- Besides, CW even had an entire season about The Arrow being the heir to Ra's Al Ghul, you can't tell me they weren't trying to just make Batman with a different name.

                        – Sidney
                        Mar 21 at 16:10







                      • 1





                        @Sidney Sure. I'm not denying that their version of the Green Arrow was heavily inspired by Batman to the point of being an obvious knockoff; I'm taking issue with your characterization of him as "a pretty good" Batman. With the exception of the DCU version we saw in Dawn of Justice, who had many of the same flaws, Batman has always been a heroic, if dark, character. This Green Arrow took that basic idea, but turned the "dark" up to 11 to the point where it crowded out the "heroic".

                        – Mason Wheeler
                        Mar 21 at 16:55
















                      Are you sure you've been watching the same CW show? Their interpretation is pretty terrible! They took all the worst aspects of various Batman interpretations, discareded the characteristics that makes him interesting and relatable (most notably his absolute unwillingness to kill the bad guys!) and ended up with nothing more than a brutal, psychopathic thug and serial killer who we're supposed to root for because his victims are often (but not always, not by a long shot!) even worse than himself. Well... no. That's not a hero; that's an insult to my intelligence.

                      – Mason Wheeler
                      Mar 21 at 14:40





                      Are you sure you've been watching the same CW show? Their interpretation is pretty terrible! They took all the worst aspects of various Batman interpretations, discareded the characteristics that makes him interesting and relatable (most notably his absolute unwillingness to kill the bad guys!) and ended up with nothing more than a brutal, psychopathic thug and serial killer who we're supposed to root for because his victims are often (but not always, not by a long shot!) even worse than himself. Well... no. That's not a hero; that's an insult to my intelligence.

                      – Mason Wheeler
                      Mar 21 at 14:40













                      @MasonWheeler After the first season, they cleaned up the character and he even stood trial (multiple times) and even went to prison. Though it seems to focus much more on "vigilantism is bad" rather than how much of a pychopathic murderer he was.

                      – Michael Richardson
                      Mar 21 at 15:16





                      @MasonWheeler After the first season, they cleaned up the character and he even stood trial (multiple times) and even went to prison. Though it seems to focus much more on "vigilantism is bad" rather than how much of a pychopathic murderer he was.

                      – Michael Richardson
                      Mar 21 at 15:16













                      @MichaelRichardson Exactly. The show is completely missing the point. Almost all superheroes operate as vigilantes; it's a basic genre convention. The actual problem here is that he isn't a hero, not by any reasonable definition of the word. To be honest the CW's interpretation of Oliver Queen comes across as more of a supervillain who's playing for a different team than the other supervillains.

                      – Mason Wheeler
                      Mar 21 at 15:32






                      @MichaelRichardson Exactly. The show is completely missing the point. Almost all superheroes operate as vigilantes; it's a basic genre convention. The actual problem here is that he isn't a hero, not by any reasonable definition of the word. To be honest the CW's interpretation of Oliver Queen comes across as more of a supervillain who's playing for a different team than the other supervillains.

                      – Mason Wheeler
                      Mar 21 at 15:32





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                      1





                      @MasonWheeler based on the criteria (powers) the cw arrow matches batman. We have "Scary", "Rich", "Smart" and "Batman Voice". Along the same vein, Damien Wayne is definitely an anti-hero, but has the same powers as batman -- Besides, CW even had an entire season about The Arrow being the heir to Ra's Al Ghul, you can't tell me they weren't trying to just make Batman with a different name.

                      – Sidney
                      Mar 21 at 16:10






                      @MasonWheeler based on the criteria (powers) the cw arrow matches batman. We have "Scary", "Rich", "Smart" and "Batman Voice". Along the same vein, Damien Wayne is definitely an anti-hero, but has the same powers as batman -- Besides, CW even had an entire season about The Arrow being the heir to Ra's Al Ghul, you can't tell me they weren't trying to just make Batman with a different name.

                      – Sidney
                      Mar 21 at 16:10





                      1




                      1





                      @Sidney Sure. I'm not denying that their version of the Green Arrow was heavily inspired by Batman to the point of being an obvious knockoff; I'm taking issue with your characterization of him as "a pretty good" Batman. With the exception of the DCU version we saw in Dawn of Justice, who had many of the same flaws, Batman has always been a heroic, if dark, character. This Green Arrow took that basic idea, but turned the "dark" up to 11 to the point where it crowded out the "heroic".

                      – Mason Wheeler
                      Mar 21 at 16:55





                      @Sidney Sure. I'm not denying that their version of the Green Arrow was heavily inspired by Batman to the point of being an obvious knockoff; I'm taking issue with your characterization of him as "a pretty good" Batman. With the exception of the DCU version we saw in Dawn of Justice, who had many of the same flaws, Batman has always been a heroic, if dark, character. This Green Arrow took that basic idea, but turned the "dark" up to 11 to the point where it crowded out the "heroic".

                      – Mason Wheeler
                      Mar 21 at 16:55



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