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Any relationship between coefficients and min/max of polynomial?
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Is there any relationship between the coefficients $ c_0, c_1, dots, c_n $ of a polynomial $ f(x) $:
$$ f(x) = c_0 + c_1 x + dots + c_n x^n $$
and the min/max values of $ f(x) $ in, say, [0, 1] ?
Clearly, you can say that:
$$ f(x)_min leq f(0) = c_0 leq f(x)_max $$
$$ f(x)_min leq f(1) = c_0 + c_1 + dots + c_n leq f(x)_max $$
but what else restricts $ c_0, c_1, dots, c_n $ in terms of $ f(x)_min $ and $ f(x)_max $, except like... checking all the extrema of $ f(x) $ one by one?
In other words, if you want a polynomial $ f(x) $ of degree $ n $ that should fulfill $ L leq f(x) leq U $ where $ L $ and $ U $ are constants, what are the all possible values of $ c_0, c_1, dots, c_n $, i.e., domain of vector $ pmbc $ ?
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Is there any relationship between the coefficients $ c_0, c_1, dots, c_n $ of a polynomial $ f(x) $:
$$ f(x) = c_0 + c_1 x + dots + c_n x^n $$
and the min/max values of $ f(x) $ in, say, [0, 1] ?
Clearly, you can say that:
$$ f(x)_min leq f(0) = c_0 leq f(x)_max $$
$$ f(x)_min leq f(1) = c_0 + c_1 + dots + c_n leq f(x)_max $$
but what else restricts $ c_0, c_1, dots, c_n $ in terms of $ f(x)_min $ and $ f(x)_max $, except like... checking all the extrema of $ f(x) $ one by one?
In other words, if you want a polynomial $ f(x) $ of degree $ n $ that should fulfill $ L leq f(x) leq U $ where $ L $ and $ U $ are constants, what are the all possible values of $ c_0, c_1, dots, c_n $, i.e., domain of vector $ pmbc $ ?
polynomials
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It's not clear to me what your requirements are. As you note, you can find the true max/min using the coefficients if you're willing to do the computations. You can find many different types of bounds depending on the trade-off you make between simplicity and precision.
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– Michael Biro
Mar 24 at 16:56
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@MichaelBiro Thanks, edited! What I actually want to do is, as I've added as the last line, determine a polynomial f(x) that should be L < f(x) < U in some interval.
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– akai
Mar 24 at 16:59
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That's still way too under-specified. Why can't I just take $f(x) = fracL + U2$? or $f(x) = L + (U - L)x$?
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– Michael Biro
Mar 24 at 17:06
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@MichaelBiro You're right. Edited again. I want to know what the all possible values of c0, c1, ..., cn i.e, domain of vector c.
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– akai
Mar 24 at 17:31
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You can get tons of relations by using $L leq f(x)$ is equivalent to $f(x)-L geq 0$ and integrating that relation against any say continuous or even more generally integrable non-negative function on $[0,1]$ starting with $1$ but could use $x^a, a > -1$ etc; similarly the other way, using now $U-f(x) geq 0$. I would say it is hopeless to derive general conditions, but if you need something concrete in a given problem, the above ideas may help
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– Conrad
Mar 24 at 17:42
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Is there any relationship between the coefficients $ c_0, c_1, dots, c_n $ of a polynomial $ f(x) $:
$$ f(x) = c_0 + c_1 x + dots + c_n x^n $$
and the min/max values of $ f(x) $ in, say, [0, 1] ?
Clearly, you can say that:
$$ f(x)_min leq f(0) = c_0 leq f(x)_max $$
$$ f(x)_min leq f(1) = c_0 + c_1 + dots + c_n leq f(x)_max $$
but what else restricts $ c_0, c_1, dots, c_n $ in terms of $ f(x)_min $ and $ f(x)_max $, except like... checking all the extrema of $ f(x) $ one by one?
In other words, if you want a polynomial $ f(x) $ of degree $ n $ that should fulfill $ L leq f(x) leq U $ where $ L $ and $ U $ are constants, what are the all possible values of $ c_0, c_1, dots, c_n $, i.e., domain of vector $ pmbc $ ?
polynomials
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Is there any relationship between the coefficients $ c_0, c_1, dots, c_n $ of a polynomial $ f(x) $:
$$ f(x) = c_0 + c_1 x + dots + c_n x^n $$
and the min/max values of $ f(x) $ in, say, [0, 1] ?
Clearly, you can say that:
$$ f(x)_min leq f(0) = c_0 leq f(x)_max $$
$$ f(x)_min leq f(1) = c_0 + c_1 + dots + c_n leq f(x)_max $$
but what else restricts $ c_0, c_1, dots, c_n $ in terms of $ f(x)_min $ and $ f(x)_max $, except like... checking all the extrema of $ f(x) $ one by one?
In other words, if you want a polynomial $ f(x) $ of degree $ n $ that should fulfill $ L leq f(x) leq U $ where $ L $ and $ U $ are constants, what are the all possible values of $ c_0, c_1, dots, c_n $, i.e., domain of vector $ pmbc $ ?
polynomials
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It's not clear to me what your requirements are. As you note, you can find the true max/min using the coefficients if you're willing to do the computations. You can find many different types of bounds depending on the trade-off you make between simplicity and precision.
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– Michael Biro
Mar 24 at 16:56
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@MichaelBiro Thanks, edited! What I actually want to do is, as I've added as the last line, determine a polynomial f(x) that should be L < f(x) < U in some interval.
$endgroup$
– akai
Mar 24 at 16:59
$begingroup$
That's still way too under-specified. Why can't I just take $f(x) = fracL + U2$? or $f(x) = L + (U - L)x$?
$endgroup$
– Michael Biro
Mar 24 at 17:06
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@MichaelBiro You're right. Edited again. I want to know what the all possible values of c0, c1, ..., cn i.e, domain of vector c.
$endgroup$
– akai
Mar 24 at 17:31
$begingroup$
You can get tons of relations by using $L leq f(x)$ is equivalent to $f(x)-L geq 0$ and integrating that relation against any say continuous or even more generally integrable non-negative function on $[0,1]$ starting with $1$ but could use $x^a, a > -1$ etc; similarly the other way, using now $U-f(x) geq 0$. I would say it is hopeless to derive general conditions, but if you need something concrete in a given problem, the above ideas may help
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– Conrad
Mar 24 at 17:42
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show 3 more comments
$begingroup$
It's not clear to me what your requirements are. As you note, you can find the true max/min using the coefficients if you're willing to do the computations. You can find many different types of bounds depending on the trade-off you make between simplicity and precision.
$endgroup$
– Michael Biro
Mar 24 at 16:56
$begingroup$
@MichaelBiro Thanks, edited! What I actually want to do is, as I've added as the last line, determine a polynomial f(x) that should be L < f(x) < U in some interval.
$endgroup$
– akai
Mar 24 at 16:59
$begingroup$
That's still way too under-specified. Why can't I just take $f(x) = fracL + U2$? or $f(x) = L + (U - L)x$?
$endgroup$
– Michael Biro
Mar 24 at 17:06
$begingroup$
@MichaelBiro You're right. Edited again. I want to know what the all possible values of c0, c1, ..., cn i.e, domain of vector c.
$endgroup$
– akai
Mar 24 at 17:31
$begingroup$
You can get tons of relations by using $L leq f(x)$ is equivalent to $f(x)-L geq 0$ and integrating that relation against any say continuous or even more generally integrable non-negative function on $[0,1]$ starting with $1$ but could use $x^a, a > -1$ etc; similarly the other way, using now $U-f(x) geq 0$. I would say it is hopeless to derive general conditions, but if you need something concrete in a given problem, the above ideas may help
$endgroup$
– Conrad
Mar 24 at 17:42
$begingroup$
It's not clear to me what your requirements are. As you note, you can find the true max/min using the coefficients if you're willing to do the computations. You can find many different types of bounds depending on the trade-off you make between simplicity and precision.
$endgroup$
– Michael Biro
Mar 24 at 16:56
$begingroup$
It's not clear to me what your requirements are. As you note, you can find the true max/min using the coefficients if you're willing to do the computations. You can find many different types of bounds depending on the trade-off you make between simplicity and precision.
$endgroup$
– Michael Biro
Mar 24 at 16:56
$begingroup$
@MichaelBiro Thanks, edited! What I actually want to do is, as I've added as the last line, determine a polynomial f(x) that should be L < f(x) < U in some interval.
$endgroup$
– akai
Mar 24 at 16:59
$begingroup$
@MichaelBiro Thanks, edited! What I actually want to do is, as I've added as the last line, determine a polynomial f(x) that should be L < f(x) < U in some interval.
$endgroup$
– akai
Mar 24 at 16:59
$begingroup$
That's still way too under-specified. Why can't I just take $f(x) = fracL + U2$? or $f(x) = L + (U - L)x$?
$endgroup$
– Michael Biro
Mar 24 at 17:06
$begingroup$
That's still way too under-specified. Why can't I just take $f(x) = fracL + U2$? or $f(x) = L + (U - L)x$?
$endgroup$
– Michael Biro
Mar 24 at 17:06
$begingroup$
@MichaelBiro You're right. Edited again. I want to know what the all possible values of c0, c1, ..., cn i.e, domain of vector c.
$endgroup$
– akai
Mar 24 at 17:31
$begingroup$
@MichaelBiro You're right. Edited again. I want to know what the all possible values of c0, c1, ..., cn i.e, domain of vector c.
$endgroup$
– akai
Mar 24 at 17:31
$begingroup$
You can get tons of relations by using $L leq f(x)$ is equivalent to $f(x)-L geq 0$ and integrating that relation against any say continuous or even more generally integrable non-negative function on $[0,1]$ starting with $1$ but could use $x^a, a > -1$ etc; similarly the other way, using now $U-f(x) geq 0$. I would say it is hopeless to derive general conditions, but if you need something concrete in a given problem, the above ideas may help
$endgroup$
– Conrad
Mar 24 at 17:42
$begingroup$
You can get tons of relations by using $L leq f(x)$ is equivalent to $f(x)-L geq 0$ and integrating that relation against any say continuous or even more generally integrable non-negative function on $[0,1]$ starting with $1$ but could use $x^a, a > -1$ etc; similarly the other way, using now $U-f(x) geq 0$. I would say it is hopeless to derive general conditions, but if you need something concrete in a given problem, the above ideas may help
$endgroup$
– Conrad
Mar 24 at 17:42
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It's not clear to me what your requirements are. As you note, you can find the true max/min using the coefficients if you're willing to do the computations. You can find many different types of bounds depending on the trade-off you make between simplicity and precision.
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– Michael Biro
Mar 24 at 16:56
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@MichaelBiro Thanks, edited! What I actually want to do is, as I've added as the last line, determine a polynomial f(x) that should be L < f(x) < U in some interval.
$endgroup$
– akai
Mar 24 at 16:59
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That's still way too under-specified. Why can't I just take $f(x) = fracL + U2$? or $f(x) = L + (U - L)x$?
$endgroup$
– Michael Biro
Mar 24 at 17:06
$begingroup$
@MichaelBiro You're right. Edited again. I want to know what the all possible values of c0, c1, ..., cn i.e, domain of vector c.
$endgroup$
– akai
Mar 24 at 17:31
$begingroup$
You can get tons of relations by using $L leq f(x)$ is equivalent to $f(x)-L geq 0$ and integrating that relation against any say continuous or even more generally integrable non-negative function on $[0,1]$ starting with $1$ but could use $x^a, a > -1$ etc; similarly the other way, using now $U-f(x) geq 0$. I would say it is hopeless to derive general conditions, but if you need something concrete in a given problem, the above ideas may help
$endgroup$
– Conrad
Mar 24 at 17:42