Fdtxjr

Plot of a tornado-shaped surface

Open a doc from terminal, but not by its name

How to explain what's wrong with this application of the chain rule?

What should you do when eye contact makes your subordinate uncomfortable?

Is there a way to get `mathscr' with lower case letters in pdfLaTeX?

Why does a simple loop result in ASYNC_NETWORK_IO waits?

Is this toilet slogan correct usage of the English language?

Why Shazam when there is already Superman?

The IT department bottlenecks progress. How should I handle this?

Why is this estimator biased?

Does Doodling or Improvising on the Piano Have Any Benefits?

What is the highest possible scrabble score for placing a single tile

I'm the sea and the sun

Can I say "fingers" when referring to toes?

Redundant comparison & "if" before assignment

Non-trope happy ending?

How should I respond when I lied about my education and the company finds out through background check?

Calculating total slots

Creepy dinosaur pc game identification

Store Credit Card Information in Password Manager?

How can "mimic phobia" be cured or prevented?

Does an advisor owe his/her student anything? Will an advisor keep a PhD student only out of pity?

Why should universal income be universal?

It grows, but water kills it

Is it possible to upcast ritual spells?

Must a Wizard prepare a spell to cast it as a ritual?What are some standard monsters or NPCs that can dispel magic?Why choose Mass Suggestion over Suggestion?Stacked Leomund's Tiny HutHow *exactly* does Dispel Magic work against higher level spells?How does the dispel check work for single-target spells becoming multi-target using higher levels?Is it possible to use Dispel Magic to end unseen spells such as Forbiddance?Are the Book of Ancient Secrets level One ritual spells automatically capped at Two?When casting a Runestaff spell from the spell list of one class, but using a spell slot from a different class, which caster level do I use?Can a Wizard cast a spell as a ritual without physically accessing a spellbook?

23

$begingroup$

Is it possible to upcast ritual spells?

For example, say I'm a level 11 bard that has the spells Leomund's Tiny Hut (LTH) or Alarm. LTH is a 3rd-level spell with the ritual tag; Alarm is a 1st-level spell with the ritual tag. Since they are rituals, they can be cast without expending a spell slot.

Is it possible to cast LTH or Alarm at, say, 6th level (Bards at 11th-level have one 6th-level spell slot) as a ritual, thus making it harder to dispel the enchantment?

The reason I ask this is that spells like LTH and Alarm are pretty good for setting up camp, but they can be dispelled by an attacking party with a simple Dispel Magic - and since they are a 3rd-level spell or lower, the spell effect is ended immediately without the enemy even needing to roll.

In my mind, if a spellcaster has the ability to cast spells at 6th level, they should be able to imbue a ritual spell they cast with that level of power, as a ritual.

dnd-5e spells rituals

share|improve this question

edited Mar 15 at 3:41

V2Blast

25.4k486156

asked Mar 15 at 1:57

Nick KarlovichNick Karlovich

1245

$endgroup$

• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  $begingroup$
  Welcome to RPG.SE! Take the tour if you haven't already, and check out the help center for more guidance.
  $endgroup$
  – V2Blast
  Mar 15 at 3:39
  

  
  
  
  

add a comment | 

23

$begingroup$

Is it possible to upcast ritual spells?

For example, say I'm a level 11 bard that has the spells Leomund's Tiny Hut (LTH) or Alarm. LTH is a 3rd-level spell with the ritual tag; Alarm is a 1st-level spell with the ritual tag. Since they are rituals, they can be cast without expending a spell slot.

Is it possible to cast LTH or Alarm at, say, 6th level (Bards at 11th-level have one 6th-level spell slot) as a ritual, thus making it harder to dispel the enchantment?

The reason I ask this is that spells like LTH and Alarm are pretty good for setting up camp, but they can be dispelled by an attacking party with a simple Dispel Magic - and since they are a 3rd-level spell or lower, the spell effect is ended immediately without the enemy even needing to roll.

In my mind, if a spellcaster has the ability to cast spells at 6th level, they should be able to imbue a ritual spell they cast with that level of power, as a ritual.

dnd-5e spells rituals

share|improve this question

edited Mar 15 at 3:41

V2Blast

25.4k486156

asked Mar 15 at 1:57

Nick KarlovichNick Karlovich

1245

$endgroup$

• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  $begingroup$
  Welcome to RPG.SE! Take the tour if you haven't already, and check out the help center for more guidance.
  $endgroup$
  – V2Blast
  Mar 15 at 3:39
  

  
  
  
  

add a comment | 

$begingroup$

Is it possible to upcast ritual spells?

For example, say I'm a level 11 bard that has the spells Leomund's Tiny Hut (LTH) or Alarm. LTH is a 3rd-level spell with the ritual tag; Alarm is a 1st-level spell with the ritual tag. Since they are rituals, they can be cast without expending a spell slot.

Is it possible to cast LTH or Alarm at, say, 6th level (Bards at 11th-level have one 6th-level spell slot) as a ritual, thus making it harder to dispel the enchantment?

The reason I ask this is that spells like LTH and Alarm are pretty good for setting up camp, but they can be dispelled by an attacking party with a simple Dispel Magic - and since they are a 3rd-level spell or lower, the spell effect is ended immediately without the enemy even needing to roll.

In my mind, if a spellcaster has the ability to cast spells at 6th level, they should be able to imbue a ritual spell they cast with that level of power, as a ritual.

dnd-5e spells rituals

share|improve this question

edited Mar 15 at 3:41

V2Blast

25.4k486156

asked Mar 15 at 1:57

Nick KarlovichNick Karlovich

1245

$endgroup$

share|improve this question

edited Mar 15 at 3:41

V2Blast

25.4k486156

asked Mar 15 at 1:57

Nick KarlovichNick Karlovich

1245

share|improve this question

edited Mar 15 at 3:41

V2Blast

25.4k486156

asked Mar 15 at 1:57

Nick KarlovichNick Karlovich

1245

edited Mar 15 at 3:41

V2Blast

25.4k486156

edited Mar 15 at 3:41

V2Blast

25.4k486156

asked Mar 15 at 1:57

Nick KarlovichNick Karlovich

1245

asked Mar 15 at 1:57

Nick KarlovichNick Karlovich

1245

2 Answers
2

active

oldest

votes

46

$begingroup$

Ritual spells can't be cast at higher levels unless you spend a spell slot

The rules for rituals state that:

The ritual version of a spell takes 10 minutes longer to cast than normal. It also doesn't expend a spell slot, which means the ritual version of a spell can't be cast at a higher level

This means that when casting as a ritual the spell must be cast at its normal level. However do note that these spells can also be cast normally (emphasis mine):

Such a spell can be cast following the normal rules for spellcasting, or the spell can be cast as a ritual

So if you really want to have a higher level tiny hut, for example, you can spend a higher lvl slot to cast it normally.

share|improve this answer

edited Mar 15 at 2:18

answered Mar 15 at 2:11

SdjzSdjz

13.5k464108

$endgroup$

• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  $begingroup$
  That also means that for someone with the feat Ritual Caster there is simply no way to cast them at a higher level right?
  $endgroup$
  – Sebastiaan van den Broek
  Mar 15 at 4:27
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  1
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  $begingroup$
  @SebastiaanvandenBroek as long as you cast it as a ritual, you don't expend a spell slot, which then means no higher cast
  $endgroup$
  – Vylix
  Mar 15 at 5:28
  

  
  
  
  

add a comment | 

12

$begingroup$

No

From the Ritual rules:

It also doesn't expend a spell slot, which means the ritual version of a spell can't be cast at a higher level.

share|improve this answer

answered Mar 15 at 2:03

Dale MDale M

110k23282486

$endgroup$

add a comment | 

Your Answer

StackExchange.ifUsing("editor", function ()
return StackExchange.using("mathjaxEditing", function ()
StackExchange.MarkdownEditor.creationCallbacks.add(function (editor, postfix)
StackExchange.mathjaxEditing.prepareWmdForMathJax(editor, postfix, [["\$", "\$"]]);
);
);
, "mathjax-editing");

StackExchange.ready(function()
var channelOptions =
tags: "".split(" "),
id: "122"
;
initTagRenderer("".split(" "), "".split(" "), channelOptions);

StackExchange.using("externalEditor", function()
// Have to fire editor after snippets, if snippets enabled
if (StackExchange.settings.snippets.snippetsEnabled)
StackExchange.using("snippets", function()
createEditor();
);

else
createEditor();

);

function createEditor()
StackExchange.prepareEditor(
heartbeatType: 'answer',
autoActivateHeartbeat: false,
convertImagesToLinks: false,
noModals: true,
showLowRepImageUploadWarning: true,
reputationToPostImages: null,
bindNavPrevention: true,
postfix: "",
imageUploader:
brandingHtml: "Powered by u003ca class="icon-imgur-white" href="https://imgur.com/"u003eu003c/au003e",
contentPolicyHtml: "User contributions licensed under u003ca href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/"u003ecc by-sa 3.0 with attribution requiredu003c/au003e u003ca href="https://stackoverflow.com/legal/content-policy"u003e(content policy)u003c/au003e",
allowUrls: true
,
noCode: true, onDemand: true,
discardSelector: ".discard-answer"
,immediatelyShowMarkdownHelp:true
);



);

draft saved

draft discarded

Sign up or log in

StackExchange.ready(function ()
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
);

Sign up using Google

Sign up using Facebook

Sign up using Email and Password

Post as a guest

Name

Email

Required, but never shown

StackExchange.ready(
function ()
StackExchange.openid.initPostLogin('.new-post-login', 'https%3a%2f%2frpg.stackexchange.com%2fquestions%2f143178%2fis-it-possible-to-upcast-ritual-spells%23new-answer', 'question_page');

);

Post as a guest

Name

Email

Required, but never shown

46

$begingroup$

Ritual spells can't be cast at higher levels unless you spend a spell slot

The rules for rituals state that:

The ritual version of a spell takes 10 minutes longer to cast than normal. It also doesn't expend a spell slot, which means the ritual version of a spell can't be cast at a higher level

This means that when casting as a ritual the spell must be cast at its normal level. However do note that these spells can also be cast normally (emphasis mine):

Such a spell can be cast following the normal rules for spellcasting, or the spell can be cast as a ritual

So if you really want to have a higher level tiny hut, for example, you can spend a higher lvl slot to cast it normally.

share|improve this answer

edited Mar 15 at 2:18

answered Mar 15 at 2:11

SdjzSdjz

13.5k464108

$endgroup$

• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  $begingroup$
  That also means that for someone with the feat Ritual Caster there is simply no way to cast them at a higher level right?
  $endgroup$
  – Sebastiaan van den Broek
  Mar 15 at 4:27
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  1
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  $begingroup$
  @SebastiaanvandenBroek as long as you cast it as a ritual, you don't expend a spell slot, which then means no higher cast
  $endgroup$
  – Vylix
  Mar 15 at 5:28
  

  
  
  
  

add a comment | 

46

$begingroup$

Ritual spells can't be cast at higher levels unless you spend a spell slot

The rules for rituals state that:

The ritual version of a spell takes 10 minutes longer to cast than normal. It also doesn't expend a spell slot, which means the ritual version of a spell can't be cast at a higher level

This means that when casting as a ritual the spell must be cast at its normal level. However do note that these spells can also be cast normally (emphasis mine):

Such a spell can be cast following the normal rules for spellcasting, or the spell can be cast as a ritual

So if you really want to have a higher level tiny hut, for example, you can spend a higher lvl slot to cast it normally.

share|improve this answer

edited Mar 15 at 2:18

answered Mar 15 at 2:11

SdjzSdjz

13.5k464108

$endgroup$

• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  $begingroup$
  That also means that for someone with the feat Ritual Caster there is simply no way to cast them at a higher level right?
  $endgroup$
  – Sebastiaan van den Broek
  Mar 15 at 4:27
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  1
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  $begingroup$
  @SebastiaanvandenBroek as long as you cast it as a ritual, you don't expend a spell slot, which then means no higher cast
  $endgroup$
  – Vylix
  Mar 15 at 5:28
  

  
  
  
  

add a comment | 

$begingroup$

Ritual spells can't be cast at higher levels unless you spend a spell slot

The rules for rituals state that:

The ritual version of a spell takes 10 minutes longer to cast than normal. It also doesn't expend a spell slot, which means the ritual version of a spell can't be cast at a higher level

This means that when casting as a ritual the spell must be cast at its normal level. However do note that these spells can also be cast normally (emphasis mine):

Such a spell can be cast following the normal rules for spellcasting, or the spell can be cast as a ritual

So if you really want to have a higher level tiny hut, for example, you can spend a higher lvl slot to cast it normally.

share|improve this answer

edited Mar 15 at 2:18

answered Mar 15 at 2:11

SdjzSdjz

13.5k464108

$endgroup$

share|improve this answer

edited Mar 15 at 2:18

answered Mar 15 at 2:11

SdjzSdjz

13.5k464108

answered Mar 15 at 2:11

SdjzSdjz

13.5k464108

answered Mar 15 at 2:11

SdjzSdjz

13.5k464108

12

$begingroup$

No

From the Ritual rules:

It also doesn't expend a spell slot, which means the ritual version of a spell can't be cast at a higher level.

share|improve this answer

answered Mar 15 at 2:03

Dale MDale M

110k23282486

$endgroup$

add a comment | 

12

$begingroup$

No

From the Ritual rules:

It also doesn't expend a spell slot, which means the ritual version of a spell can't be cast at a higher level.

share|improve this answer

answered Mar 15 at 2:03

Dale MDale M

110k23282486

$endgroup$

add a comment | 

$begingroup$

No

From the Ritual rules:

It also doesn't expend a spell slot, which means the ritual version of a spell can't be cast at a higher level.

share|improve this answer

answered Mar 15 at 2:03

Dale MDale M

110k23282486

$endgroup$

share|improve this answer

answered Mar 15 at 2:03

Dale MDale M

110k23282486

answered Mar 15 at 2:03

Dale MDale M

110k23282486

answered Mar 15 at 2:03

Dale MDale M

110k23282486