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Choosing a surface that makes the flux of F maximal,


What if $operatornamedivf=0$?Generalized forms of Curl and DivergenceCalculate the flux through a surface S and my approach using Divergence theoremSome questions about the normal vector and Jacobian factor in surface integrals,Flux integral through ellipsoidal surface.Divergence theorem not consistent when calculating the flux of $F= (x^k,y^k,z^k)$ on $S^2$?Vector analysis: Calculate the flux through the surface $4x^2+4y^2+z^2=5, z>= 1$Find the flux across a surfaceThe divergence as flux densityCalculate the flux of $F=(3xy^2,3x^2y,z^3),$ $ S$ the sphere of radio 1.













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For a closed surface S in $R^3$, consider the flux of F, given by the usual flux integral. For what choice of S will the flux be maximal?



So, I want to apply the divergence theorem and instead look at the triple integral of the divergence of the given vector field F (over a solid that is enclosed by S.)



Since the flux integral = the divergence integral, I can aim to maximize the divergence integral.



My computation of the divergence gives me -3($x^2 + y^2 + z^2 - frac53$), so this would be the integrand in the triple integral.



It sounds reasonable that in order to maximize this triple integral, I should maximize the integrand. How do I do that?



My attempt was to make $x^2 + y^2 + z^2$ - $frac53$ < 0, since there's a factor of -3 to consider. negative * negative will give me a positive integrand - which would be good for maximizing the flux of F.



Then this tells me that I should choose a sphere of radius $sqrt(frac53)$.



I carried out my work and it looks like I got the correct answer.



But I feel like I chose my sphere ...by luck.



How do I know for sure that I've maximized the integrand, simply by making $x^2 + y^2 + z^2$ - $frac53$ < 0? Could I have done even better, achieving a better maximum? I simply knew that this factor had to be < 0, since it was being multiplied by -3.



Thanks,










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    Can you provide the actual vector field equation?
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    Sure, @Bey -- it's F(x,y,z) = $(2x - y^2 - x^3, 3y-y^3, -x-z^3)$.
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For a closed surface S in $R^3$, consider the flux of F, given by the usual flux integral. For what choice of S will the flux be maximal?



So, I want to apply the divergence theorem and instead look at the triple integral of the divergence of the given vector field F (over a solid that is enclosed by S.)



Since the flux integral = the divergence integral, I can aim to maximize the divergence integral.



My computation of the divergence gives me -3($x^2 + y^2 + z^2 - frac53$), so this would be the integrand in the triple integral.



It sounds reasonable that in order to maximize this triple integral, I should maximize the integrand. How do I do that?



My attempt was to make $x^2 + y^2 + z^2$ - $frac53$ < 0, since there's a factor of -3 to consider. negative * negative will give me a positive integrand - which would be good for maximizing the flux of F.



Then this tells me that I should choose a sphere of radius $sqrt(frac53)$.



I carried out my work and it looks like I got the correct answer.



But I feel like I chose my sphere ...by luck.



How do I know for sure that I've maximized the integrand, simply by making $x^2 + y^2 + z^2$ - $frac53$ < 0? Could I have done even better, achieving a better maximum? I simply knew that this factor had to be < 0, since it was being multiplied by -3.



Thanks,










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    Can you provide the actual vector field equation?
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    Sure, @Bey -- it's F(x,y,z) = $(2x - y^2 - x^3, 3y-y^3, -x-z^3)$.
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For a closed surface S in $R^3$, consider the flux of F, given by the usual flux integral. For what choice of S will the flux be maximal?



So, I want to apply the divergence theorem and instead look at the triple integral of the divergence of the given vector field F (over a solid that is enclosed by S.)



Since the flux integral = the divergence integral, I can aim to maximize the divergence integral.



My computation of the divergence gives me -3($x^2 + y^2 + z^2 - frac53$), so this would be the integrand in the triple integral.



It sounds reasonable that in order to maximize this triple integral, I should maximize the integrand. How do I do that?



My attempt was to make $x^2 + y^2 + z^2$ - $frac53$ < 0, since there's a factor of -3 to consider. negative * negative will give me a positive integrand - which would be good for maximizing the flux of F.



Then this tells me that I should choose a sphere of radius $sqrt(frac53)$.



I carried out my work and it looks like I got the correct answer.



But I feel like I chose my sphere ...by luck.



How do I know for sure that I've maximized the integrand, simply by making $x^2 + y^2 + z^2$ - $frac53$ < 0? Could I have done even better, achieving a better maximum? I simply knew that this factor had to be < 0, since it was being multiplied by -3.



Thanks,










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For a closed surface S in $R^3$, consider the flux of F, given by the usual flux integral. For what choice of S will the flux be maximal?



So, I want to apply the divergence theorem and instead look at the triple integral of the divergence of the given vector field F (over a solid that is enclosed by S.)



Since the flux integral = the divergence integral, I can aim to maximize the divergence integral.



My computation of the divergence gives me -3($x^2 + y^2 + z^2 - frac53$), so this would be the integrand in the triple integral.



It sounds reasonable that in order to maximize this triple integral, I should maximize the integrand. How do I do that?



My attempt was to make $x^2 + y^2 + z^2$ - $frac53$ < 0, since there's a factor of -3 to consider. negative * negative will give me a positive integrand - which would be good for maximizing the flux of F.



Then this tells me that I should choose a sphere of radius $sqrt(frac53)$.



I carried out my work and it looks like I got the correct answer.



But I feel like I chose my sphere ...by luck.



How do I know for sure that I've maximized the integrand, simply by making $x^2 + y^2 + z^2$ - $frac53$ < 0? Could I have done even better, achieving a better maximum? I simply knew that this factor had to be < 0, since it was being multiplied by -3.



Thanks,







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    Can you provide the actual vector field equation?
    $endgroup$
    – user237392
    Jun 17 '15 at 1:08










  • $begingroup$
    Sure, @Bey -- it's F(x,y,z) = $(2x - y^2 - x^3, 3y-y^3, -x-z^3)$.
    $endgroup$
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  • $begingroup$
    Can you provide the actual vector field equation?
    $endgroup$
    – user237392
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  • $begingroup$
    Sure, @Bey -- it's F(x,y,z) = $(2x - y^2 - x^3, 3y-y^3, -x-z^3)$.
    $endgroup$
    – user248707
    Jun 17 '15 at 1:17















$begingroup$
Can you provide the actual vector field equation?
$endgroup$
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Jun 17 '15 at 1:08




$begingroup$
Can you provide the actual vector field equation?
$endgroup$
– user237392
Jun 17 '15 at 1:08












$begingroup$
Sure, @Bey -- it's F(x,y,z) = $(2x - y^2 - x^3, 3y-y^3, -x-z^3)$.
$endgroup$
– user248707
Jun 17 '15 at 1:17




$begingroup$
Sure, @Bey -- it's F(x,y,z) = $(2x - y^2 - x^3, 3y-y^3, -x-z^3)$.
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As you've correctly pointed out, the only region of positive divergence is the ball centered at $(0,0,0)$ with $r<sqrtfrac53$, due to the symmetry in the coordinates. Thus, we can focus our attention on this area and look at how divergence varies with radius. For convenience, let's express this as a univariate function of $r$: $mathrmdiv(r)=5-3r^2$, where $A(r),V(r)$ is the area and volume of the ball of radius $r$.



$$mathrmFlux(r)=int_0^rmathrmdiv(z)A(z)dz=5V(r)-3int_0^r z^2A(z)dz = frac203pi r^3-frac125pi r^5$$



We want to maximize $mathrmFlux(r)$, so lets find the extremal points $r^*$:



$$r^*:=r:fracddrmathrmFlux(r)=20pi r^2-12pi r^4=0 implies r=pm sqrtfrac53$$



Just to check, let's verify the curvature:



$$fracd^2dr^2mathrmFluxleft(sqrtfrac53right)=40pisqrtfrac53-48pileft(frac53right)^3/2<0$$



So, we have verified what you expected.






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    $begingroup$

    As you've correctly pointed out, the only region of positive divergence is the ball centered at $(0,0,0)$ with $r<sqrtfrac53$, due to the symmetry in the coordinates. Thus, we can focus our attention on this area and look at how divergence varies with radius. For convenience, let's express this as a univariate function of $r$: $mathrmdiv(r)=5-3r^2$, where $A(r),V(r)$ is the area and volume of the ball of radius $r$.



    $$mathrmFlux(r)=int_0^rmathrmdiv(z)A(z)dz=5V(r)-3int_0^r z^2A(z)dz = frac203pi r^3-frac125pi r^5$$



    We want to maximize $mathrmFlux(r)$, so lets find the extremal points $r^*$:



    $$r^*:=r:fracddrmathrmFlux(r)=20pi r^2-12pi r^4=0 implies r=pm sqrtfrac53$$



    Just to check, let's verify the curvature:



    $$fracd^2dr^2mathrmFluxleft(sqrtfrac53right)=40pisqrtfrac53-48pileft(frac53right)^3/2<0$$



    So, we have verified what you expected.






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      $begingroup$

      As you've correctly pointed out, the only region of positive divergence is the ball centered at $(0,0,0)$ with $r<sqrtfrac53$, due to the symmetry in the coordinates. Thus, we can focus our attention on this area and look at how divergence varies with radius. For convenience, let's express this as a univariate function of $r$: $mathrmdiv(r)=5-3r^2$, where $A(r),V(r)$ is the area and volume of the ball of radius $r$.



      $$mathrmFlux(r)=int_0^rmathrmdiv(z)A(z)dz=5V(r)-3int_0^r z^2A(z)dz = frac203pi r^3-frac125pi r^5$$



      We want to maximize $mathrmFlux(r)$, so lets find the extremal points $r^*$:



      $$r^*:=r:fracddrmathrmFlux(r)=20pi r^2-12pi r^4=0 implies r=pm sqrtfrac53$$



      Just to check, let's verify the curvature:



      $$fracd^2dr^2mathrmFluxleft(sqrtfrac53right)=40pisqrtfrac53-48pileft(frac53right)^3/2<0$$



      So, we have verified what you expected.






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        As you've correctly pointed out, the only region of positive divergence is the ball centered at $(0,0,0)$ with $r<sqrtfrac53$, due to the symmetry in the coordinates. Thus, we can focus our attention on this area and look at how divergence varies with radius. For convenience, let's express this as a univariate function of $r$: $mathrmdiv(r)=5-3r^2$, where $A(r),V(r)$ is the area and volume of the ball of radius $r$.



        $$mathrmFlux(r)=int_0^rmathrmdiv(z)A(z)dz=5V(r)-3int_0^r z^2A(z)dz = frac203pi r^3-frac125pi r^5$$



        We want to maximize $mathrmFlux(r)$, so lets find the extremal points $r^*$:



        $$r^*:=r:fracddrmathrmFlux(r)=20pi r^2-12pi r^4=0 implies r=pm sqrtfrac53$$



        Just to check, let's verify the curvature:



        $$fracd^2dr^2mathrmFluxleft(sqrtfrac53right)=40pisqrtfrac53-48pileft(frac53right)^3/2<0$$



        So, we have verified what you expected.






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        As you've correctly pointed out, the only region of positive divergence is the ball centered at $(0,0,0)$ with $r<sqrtfrac53$, due to the symmetry in the coordinates. Thus, we can focus our attention on this area and look at how divergence varies with radius. For convenience, let's express this as a univariate function of $r$: $mathrmdiv(r)=5-3r^2$, where $A(r),V(r)$ is the area and volume of the ball of radius $r$.



        $$mathrmFlux(r)=int_0^rmathrmdiv(z)A(z)dz=5V(r)-3int_0^r z^2A(z)dz = frac203pi r^3-frac125pi r^5$$



        We want to maximize $mathrmFlux(r)$, so lets find the extremal points $r^*$:



        $$r^*:=r:fracddrmathrmFlux(r)=20pi r^2-12pi r^4=0 implies r=pm sqrtfrac53$$



        Just to check, let's verify the curvature:



        $$fracd^2dr^2mathrmFluxleft(sqrtfrac53right)=40pisqrtfrac53-48pileft(frac53right)^3/2<0$$



        So, we have verified what you expected.







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