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Non-existence of $lim limits_(x, y) to (0,0) fracx^3 + y^3x - y $
The 2019 Stack Overflow Developer Survey Results Are InTo prove that the limit of a bi-variate function is nonexistent at a pointHow to show that the limit $lim_(x,y)to(0,0)fracx^3+y^3x-y$ does not exist?Continuity and differentiability of the function $f(x,y)=fracxysqrtx^2+y^2$Is there a limit to $(0,0)$ approaching $infty$ for the function $x^y$?Continuity of $frac2xyx^2+y^2$ at $(0,0)$Why is $f(x,y)$ said to be discontinuous at $(0,0)$?Finding $lim_(x,y)to (0,0) frac3x^2sin^2y2x^4+2sin y^4$In $lim(x,y)to(0,0)$ why can I change to $(x^2,x)$?Why is this limit not zero?On the existence of limits of multivariable rational functionsContinuity and differentiability of $f(x,y)$ at $(0,0)$Does $frac(x^2 + y^2) yx$ have a limit at $(0,0)$?
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How to show that $lim limits_(x, y) to (0,0) f(x, y)$ does not
exist where,
$$f(x, y) = begincases dfracx^3 + y^3x - y ; ; & x neq y \
0 ; ;;;;;;;;;;; ; & x = y endcases $$
I tried bounding the value of the function as $(x, y)$ approaches $(0,0)$ but was not successful. I graphed the function and saw that it was actually approaching $0$ but Microsoft Math failed to render some points around the $x = y$ plane. So I imagine I need to find points $(x, y)$ such that $x$ is extremely close to $y$ but $(x, y)$ is not as close to $(0,0)$ to show that the function does not approach $0$ around the origin. But was unable to think of any.
Hints or suggestions would be awesome. Any help is appreciated.
real-analysis limits multivariable-calculus
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How to show that $lim limits_(x, y) to (0,0) f(x, y)$ does not
exist where,
$$f(x, y) = begincases dfracx^3 + y^3x - y ; ; & x neq y \
0 ; ;;;;;;;;;;; ; & x = y endcases $$
I tried bounding the value of the function as $(x, y)$ approaches $(0,0)$ but was not successful. I graphed the function and saw that it was actually approaching $0$ but Microsoft Math failed to render some points around the $x = y$ plane. So I imagine I need to find points $(x, y)$ such that $x$ is extremely close to $y$ but $(x, y)$ is not as close to $(0,0)$ to show that the function does not approach $0$ around the origin. But was unable to think of any.
Hints or suggestions would be awesome. Any help is appreciated.
real-analysis limits multivariable-calculus
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Try approaching $(0,0)$ along various curves $h(t) = (x(t),y(t))$.
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– aes
Nov 22 '14 at 3:56
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$x$ being arbitrarily close to $y$ doesn't seem to help. Setting $x_n = frac1n+1$ and $y_n = frac1n$ had $f(x_n,y_n)to 0$ as well.
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– JMoravitz
Nov 22 '14 at 4:16
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How to show that $lim limits_(x, y) to (0,0) f(x, y)$ does not
exist where,
$$f(x, y) = begincases dfracx^3 + y^3x - y ; ; & x neq y \
0 ; ;;;;;;;;;;; ; & x = y endcases $$
I tried bounding the value of the function as $(x, y)$ approaches $(0,0)$ but was not successful. I graphed the function and saw that it was actually approaching $0$ but Microsoft Math failed to render some points around the $x = y$ plane. So I imagine I need to find points $(x, y)$ such that $x$ is extremely close to $y$ but $(x, y)$ is not as close to $(0,0)$ to show that the function does not approach $0$ around the origin. But was unable to think of any.
Hints or suggestions would be awesome. Any help is appreciated.
real-analysis limits multivariable-calculus
$endgroup$
How to show that $lim limits_(x, y) to (0,0) f(x, y)$ does not
exist where,
$$f(x, y) = begincases dfracx^3 + y^3x - y ; ; & x neq y \
0 ; ;;;;;;;;;;; ; & x = y endcases $$
I tried bounding the value of the function as $(x, y)$ approaches $(0,0)$ but was not successful. I graphed the function and saw that it was actually approaching $0$ but Microsoft Math failed to render some points around the $x = y$ plane. So I imagine I need to find points $(x, y)$ such that $x$ is extremely close to $y$ but $(x, y)$ is not as close to $(0,0)$ to show that the function does not approach $0$ around the origin. But was unable to think of any.
Hints or suggestions would be awesome. Any help is appreciated.
real-analysis limits multivariable-calculus
real-analysis limits multivariable-calculus
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Try approaching $(0,0)$ along various curves $h(t) = (x(t),y(t))$.
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– aes
Nov 22 '14 at 3:56
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$x$ being arbitrarily close to $y$ doesn't seem to help. Setting $x_n = frac1n+1$ and $y_n = frac1n$ had $f(x_n,y_n)to 0$ as well.
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– JMoravitz
Nov 22 '14 at 4:16
add a comment |
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Try approaching $(0,0)$ along various curves $h(t) = (x(t),y(t))$.
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– aes
Nov 22 '14 at 3:56
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$x$ being arbitrarily close to $y$ doesn't seem to help. Setting $x_n = frac1n+1$ and $y_n = frac1n$ had $f(x_n,y_n)to 0$ as well.
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– JMoravitz
Nov 22 '14 at 4:16
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Try approaching $(0,0)$ along various curves $h(t) = (x(t),y(t))$.
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– aes
Nov 22 '14 at 3:56
$begingroup$
Try approaching $(0,0)$ along various curves $h(t) = (x(t),y(t))$.
$endgroup$
– aes
Nov 22 '14 at 3:56
$begingroup$
$x$ being arbitrarily close to $y$ doesn't seem to help. Setting $x_n = frac1n+1$ and $y_n = frac1n$ had $f(x_n,y_n)to 0$ as well.
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– JMoravitz
Nov 22 '14 at 4:16
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$x$ being arbitrarily close to $y$ doesn't seem to help. Setting $x_n = frac1n+1$ and $y_n = frac1n$ had $f(x_n,y_n)to 0$ as well.
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For all $(x,y)in mathbb R^2$ such that $xneq y$ one has $f(x,y)=dfrac2x^3x-y-x^2-xy-y^2$, so if the limit exists, due to $lim limits_(x,y)to(0,0)left(x^2-xy-y^2right)$ existing, so does $lim limits_(x,y)to (0,0)left(dfrac2x^3x-yright)$, but this last limit can easily be seen to be $k$-dependent if $y=x-kx^3$.
So consider the paths $tmapstoleft(t,t-kt^3right)$, with $kneq 0$.
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Hint: What happens on the curves $$(x(t), y(t)) = (1/t pm e^-t, 1/t), quad t > 0?$$
Here is a little animation of the surface in question. It was surprisingly challenging to obtain a smooth plot in the neighborhood of $(0,0)$, but I managed to find a nice parametrization. The red and green curves are the ones I described, but it is quite clear that other paths to the origin will also work.
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How did you draw this graph and animate?
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You can show this limit does not exist if you can show that the limits as $(x,y) rightarrow (0,0)$ along two different paths give different answers.
So for example, try the limit as $srightarrow 0$ of $f(x=s, y=-s)$, which is zero,
and the limit as $s rightarrow 0$ of $f(x=s, y=sqrt[3]s)$ which is $-1$.
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The path needs to be in the domain of $f$. The second one isn't.
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– Git Gud
Nov 22 '14 at 3:57
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@GitGud: Second one is also in the domain. But does not work since $f$ again is constantly $0$ along that curve.
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– Ishfaaq
Nov 22 '14 at 3:58
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@Ishfaaq I meant in the domain of the fractional part.
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– Git Gud
Nov 22 '14 at 3:59
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if it's allright, can you please elaborate on the second example. It looks like $f$ is again approaching $0$???
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For all $(x,y)in mathbb R^2$ such that $xneq y$ one has $f(x,y)=dfrac2x^3x-y-x^2-xy-y^2$, so if the limit exists, due to $lim limits_(x,y)to(0,0)left(x^2-xy-y^2right)$ existing, so does $lim limits_(x,y)to (0,0)left(dfrac2x^3x-yright)$, but this last limit can easily be seen to be $k$-dependent if $y=x-kx^3$.
So consider the paths $tmapstoleft(t,t-kt^3right)$, with $kneq 0$.
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add a comment |
$begingroup$
For all $(x,y)in mathbb R^2$ such that $xneq y$ one has $f(x,y)=dfrac2x^3x-y-x^2-xy-y^2$, so if the limit exists, due to $lim limits_(x,y)to(0,0)left(x^2-xy-y^2right)$ existing, so does $lim limits_(x,y)to (0,0)left(dfrac2x^3x-yright)$, but this last limit can easily be seen to be $k$-dependent if $y=x-kx^3$.
So consider the paths $tmapstoleft(t,t-kt^3right)$, with $kneq 0$.
$endgroup$
add a comment |
$begingroup$
For all $(x,y)in mathbb R^2$ such that $xneq y$ one has $f(x,y)=dfrac2x^3x-y-x^2-xy-y^2$, so if the limit exists, due to $lim limits_(x,y)to(0,0)left(x^2-xy-y^2right)$ existing, so does $lim limits_(x,y)to (0,0)left(dfrac2x^3x-yright)$, but this last limit can easily be seen to be $k$-dependent if $y=x-kx^3$.
So consider the paths $tmapstoleft(t,t-kt^3right)$, with $kneq 0$.
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For all $(x,y)in mathbb R^2$ such that $xneq y$ one has $f(x,y)=dfrac2x^3x-y-x^2-xy-y^2$, so if the limit exists, due to $lim limits_(x,y)to(0,0)left(x^2-xy-y^2right)$ existing, so does $lim limits_(x,y)to (0,0)left(dfrac2x^3x-yright)$, but this last limit can easily be seen to be $k$-dependent if $y=x-kx^3$.
So consider the paths $tmapstoleft(t,t-kt^3right)$, with $kneq 0$.
edited Nov 30 '14 at 13:24
answered Nov 22 '14 at 4:24
Git GudGit Gud
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Hint: What happens on the curves $$(x(t), y(t)) = (1/t pm e^-t, 1/t), quad t > 0?$$
Here is a little animation of the surface in question. It was surprisingly challenging to obtain a smooth plot in the neighborhood of $(0,0)$, but I managed to find a nice parametrization. The red and green curves are the ones I described, but it is quite clear that other paths to the origin will also work.
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How did you draw this graph and animate?
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– pushpen.paul
Nov 30 '14 at 13:28
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Hint: What happens on the curves $$(x(t), y(t)) = (1/t pm e^-t, 1/t), quad t > 0?$$
Here is a little animation of the surface in question. It was surprisingly challenging to obtain a smooth plot in the neighborhood of $(0,0)$, but I managed to find a nice parametrization. The red and green curves are the ones I described, but it is quite clear that other paths to the origin will also work.
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How did you draw this graph and animate?
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– pushpen.paul
Nov 30 '14 at 13:28
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Hint: What happens on the curves $$(x(t), y(t)) = (1/t pm e^-t, 1/t), quad t > 0?$$
Here is a little animation of the surface in question. It was surprisingly challenging to obtain a smooth plot in the neighborhood of $(0,0)$, but I managed to find a nice parametrization. The red and green curves are the ones I described, but it is quite clear that other paths to the origin will also work.
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Hint: What happens on the curves $$(x(t), y(t)) = (1/t pm e^-t, 1/t), quad t > 0?$$
Here is a little animation of the surface in question. It was surprisingly challenging to obtain a smooth plot in the neighborhood of $(0,0)$, but I managed to find a nice parametrization. The red and green curves are the ones I described, but it is quite clear that other paths to the origin will also work.
edited Nov 22 '14 at 6:36
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How did you draw this graph and animate?
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How did you draw this graph and animate?
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– pushpen.paul
Nov 30 '14 at 13:28
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How did you draw this graph and animate?
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– pushpen.paul
Nov 30 '14 at 13:28
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How did you draw this graph and animate?
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You can show this limit does not exist if you can show that the limits as $(x,y) rightarrow (0,0)$ along two different paths give different answers.
So for example, try the limit as $srightarrow 0$ of $f(x=s, y=-s)$, which is zero,
and the limit as $s rightarrow 0$ of $f(x=s, y=sqrt[3]s)$ which is $-1$.
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The path needs to be in the domain of $f$. The second one isn't.
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– Git Gud
Nov 22 '14 at 3:57
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@GitGud: Second one is also in the domain. But does not work since $f$ again is constantly $0$ along that curve.
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– Ishfaaq
Nov 22 '14 at 3:58
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@Ishfaaq I meant in the domain of the fractional part.
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– Git Gud
Nov 22 '14 at 3:59
1
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if it's allright, can you please elaborate on the second example. It looks like $f$ is again approaching $0$???
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– Ishfaaq
Nov 22 '14 at 4:04
add a comment |
$begingroup$
You can show this limit does not exist if you can show that the limits as $(x,y) rightarrow (0,0)$ along two different paths give different answers.
So for example, try the limit as $srightarrow 0$ of $f(x=s, y=-s)$, which is zero,
and the limit as $s rightarrow 0$ of $f(x=s, y=sqrt[3]s)$ which is $-1$.
$endgroup$
$begingroup$
The path needs to be in the domain of $f$. The second one isn't.
$endgroup$
– Git Gud
Nov 22 '14 at 3:57
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@GitGud: Second one is also in the domain. But does not work since $f$ again is constantly $0$ along that curve.
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– Ishfaaq
Nov 22 '14 at 3:58
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@Ishfaaq I meant in the domain of the fractional part.
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– Git Gud
Nov 22 '14 at 3:59
1
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if it's allright, can you please elaborate on the second example. It looks like $f$ is again approaching $0$???
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– Ishfaaq
Nov 22 '14 at 4:04
add a comment |
$begingroup$
You can show this limit does not exist if you can show that the limits as $(x,y) rightarrow (0,0)$ along two different paths give different answers.
So for example, try the limit as $srightarrow 0$ of $f(x=s, y=-s)$, which is zero,
and the limit as $s rightarrow 0$ of $f(x=s, y=sqrt[3]s)$ which is $-1$.
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You can show this limit does not exist if you can show that the limits as $(x,y) rightarrow (0,0)$ along two different paths give different answers.
So for example, try the limit as $srightarrow 0$ of $f(x=s, y=-s)$, which is zero,
and the limit as $s rightarrow 0$ of $f(x=s, y=sqrt[3]s)$ which is $-1$.
answered Nov 22 '14 at 3:56
Mark FischlerMark Fischler
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The path needs to be in the domain of $f$. The second one isn't.
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– Git Gud
Nov 22 '14 at 3:57
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@GitGud: Second one is also in the domain. But does not work since $f$ again is constantly $0$ along that curve.
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– Ishfaaq
Nov 22 '14 at 3:58
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@Ishfaaq I meant in the domain of the fractional part.
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– Git Gud
Nov 22 '14 at 3:59
1
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if it's allright, can you please elaborate on the second example. It looks like $f$ is again approaching $0$???
$endgroup$
– Ishfaaq
Nov 22 '14 at 4:04
add a comment |
$begingroup$
The path needs to be in the domain of $f$. The second one isn't.
$endgroup$
– Git Gud
Nov 22 '14 at 3:57
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@GitGud: Second one is also in the domain. But does not work since $f$ again is constantly $0$ along that curve.
$endgroup$
– Ishfaaq
Nov 22 '14 at 3:58
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@Ishfaaq I meant in the domain of the fractional part.
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– Git Gud
Nov 22 '14 at 3:59
1
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if it's allright, can you please elaborate on the second example. It looks like $f$ is again approaching $0$???
$endgroup$
– Ishfaaq
Nov 22 '14 at 4:04
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The path needs to be in the domain of $f$. The second one isn't.
$endgroup$
– Git Gud
Nov 22 '14 at 3:57
$begingroup$
The path needs to be in the domain of $f$. The second one isn't.
$endgroup$
– Git Gud
Nov 22 '14 at 3:57
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@GitGud: Second one is also in the domain. But does not work since $f$ again is constantly $0$ along that curve.
$endgroup$
– Ishfaaq
Nov 22 '14 at 3:58
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@GitGud: Second one is also in the domain. But does not work since $f$ again is constantly $0$ along that curve.
$endgroup$
– Ishfaaq
Nov 22 '14 at 3:58
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@Ishfaaq I meant in the domain of the fractional part.
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– Git Gud
Nov 22 '14 at 3:59
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@Ishfaaq I meant in the domain of the fractional part.
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– Git Gud
Nov 22 '14 at 3:59
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if it's allright, can you please elaborate on the second example. It looks like $f$ is again approaching $0$???
$endgroup$
– Ishfaaq
Nov 22 '14 at 4:04
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if it's allright, can you please elaborate on the second example. It looks like $f$ is again approaching $0$???
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– Ishfaaq
Nov 22 '14 at 4:04
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Try approaching $(0,0)$ along various curves $h(t) = (x(t),y(t))$.
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– aes
Nov 22 '14 at 3:56
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$x$ being arbitrarily close to $y$ doesn't seem to help. Setting $x_n = frac1n+1$ and $y_n = frac1n$ had $f(x_n,y_n)to 0$ as well.
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– JMoravitz
Nov 22 '14 at 4:16