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Why if a tensor vanishes in some coordinates system it vanishes in all coordinates systems?



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If we take how the components of a tensor on a pseudo riemannian manifold transform



$$T'^munu(x')=fracpartial x'^mupartial x^alphafracpartial x'^nupartial x^betaT^alphabeta(x),$$



if $T^alphabeta(x)=0$ in a certain coordinates system, we get that the tensor vanishes only in the intersection of the charts, but this nothing tells me about what the tensor does where $U_xcap U_x'=emptyset$, with $U_x$ and $U_x'$ neighborhoods of the two charts.



So, as far as I know from the above relation, my tensor is null in the intersection but may be non vanishing in the rest of the chart.



Do all the charts intersect somehow and thus going through all the charts I can see it?










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  • $begingroup$
    It doesn't. If the components of a tensor vanish in some coordinate system, all you can deduce is that this tensor is zero on the neighborhood over which the coordinate system is defined.
    $endgroup$
    – levap
    Mar 25 at 21:08










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    Because in physics I have always heard "if a tensor vanishes in a coordinates system it vanishes in all coordinates".
    $endgroup$
    – Wideep
    Mar 25 at 21:09






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    $begingroup$
    The precise statement would be "if a tensor vanishes on a collection of coordinate systems which cover the whole manifold then it vanishes in all possible coordinate systems".
    $endgroup$
    – levap
    Mar 25 at 21:19










  • $begingroup$
    Wonderful, it was as I thought it should be! Thanks.
    $endgroup$
    – Wideep
    Mar 26 at 8:31
















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$begingroup$


If we take how the components of a tensor on a pseudo riemannian manifold transform



$$T'^munu(x')=fracpartial x'^mupartial x^alphafracpartial x'^nupartial x^betaT^alphabeta(x),$$



if $T^alphabeta(x)=0$ in a certain coordinates system, we get that the tensor vanishes only in the intersection of the charts, but this nothing tells me about what the tensor does where $U_xcap U_x'=emptyset$, with $U_x$ and $U_x'$ neighborhoods of the two charts.



So, as far as I know from the above relation, my tensor is null in the intersection but may be non vanishing in the rest of the chart.



Do all the charts intersect somehow and thus going through all the charts I can see it?










share|cite|improve this question











$endgroup$











  • $begingroup$
    It doesn't. If the components of a tensor vanish in some coordinate system, all you can deduce is that this tensor is zero on the neighborhood over which the coordinate system is defined.
    $endgroup$
    – levap
    Mar 25 at 21:08










  • $begingroup$
    Because in physics I have always heard "if a tensor vanishes in a coordinates system it vanishes in all coordinates".
    $endgroup$
    – Wideep
    Mar 25 at 21:09






  • 1




    $begingroup$
    The precise statement would be "if a tensor vanishes on a collection of coordinate systems which cover the whole manifold then it vanishes in all possible coordinate systems".
    $endgroup$
    – levap
    Mar 25 at 21:19










  • $begingroup$
    Wonderful, it was as I thought it should be! Thanks.
    $endgroup$
    – Wideep
    Mar 26 at 8:31














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$begingroup$


If we take how the components of a tensor on a pseudo riemannian manifold transform



$$T'^munu(x')=fracpartial x'^mupartial x^alphafracpartial x'^nupartial x^betaT^alphabeta(x),$$



if $T^alphabeta(x)=0$ in a certain coordinates system, we get that the tensor vanishes only in the intersection of the charts, but this nothing tells me about what the tensor does where $U_xcap U_x'=emptyset$, with $U_x$ and $U_x'$ neighborhoods of the two charts.



So, as far as I know from the above relation, my tensor is null in the intersection but may be non vanishing in the rest of the chart.



Do all the charts intersect somehow and thus going through all the charts I can see it?










share|cite|improve this question











$endgroup$




If we take how the components of a tensor on a pseudo riemannian manifold transform



$$T'^munu(x')=fracpartial x'^mupartial x^alphafracpartial x'^nupartial x^betaT^alphabeta(x),$$



if $T^alphabeta(x)=0$ in a certain coordinates system, we get that the tensor vanishes only in the intersection of the charts, but this nothing tells me about what the tensor does where $U_xcap U_x'=emptyset$, with $U_x$ and $U_x'$ neighborhoods of the two charts.



So, as far as I know from the above relation, my tensor is null in the intersection but may be non vanishing in the rest of the chart.



Do all the charts intersect somehow and thus going through all the charts I can see it?







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  • $begingroup$
    It doesn't. If the components of a tensor vanish in some coordinate system, all you can deduce is that this tensor is zero on the neighborhood over which the coordinate system is defined.
    $endgroup$
    – levap
    Mar 25 at 21:08










  • $begingroup$
    Because in physics I have always heard "if a tensor vanishes in a coordinates system it vanishes in all coordinates".
    $endgroup$
    – Wideep
    Mar 25 at 21:09






  • 1




    $begingroup$
    The precise statement would be "if a tensor vanishes on a collection of coordinate systems which cover the whole manifold then it vanishes in all possible coordinate systems".
    $endgroup$
    – levap
    Mar 25 at 21:19










  • $begingroup$
    Wonderful, it was as I thought it should be! Thanks.
    $endgroup$
    – Wideep
    Mar 26 at 8:31

















  • $begingroup$
    It doesn't. If the components of a tensor vanish in some coordinate system, all you can deduce is that this tensor is zero on the neighborhood over which the coordinate system is defined.
    $endgroup$
    – levap
    Mar 25 at 21:08










  • $begingroup$
    Because in physics I have always heard "if a tensor vanishes in a coordinates system it vanishes in all coordinates".
    $endgroup$
    – Wideep
    Mar 25 at 21:09






  • 1




    $begingroup$
    The precise statement would be "if a tensor vanishes on a collection of coordinate systems which cover the whole manifold then it vanishes in all possible coordinate systems".
    $endgroup$
    – levap
    Mar 25 at 21:19










  • $begingroup$
    Wonderful, it was as I thought it should be! Thanks.
    $endgroup$
    – Wideep
    Mar 26 at 8:31
















$begingroup$
It doesn't. If the components of a tensor vanish in some coordinate system, all you can deduce is that this tensor is zero on the neighborhood over which the coordinate system is defined.
$endgroup$
– levap
Mar 25 at 21:08




$begingroup$
It doesn't. If the components of a tensor vanish in some coordinate system, all you can deduce is that this tensor is zero on the neighborhood over which the coordinate system is defined.
$endgroup$
– levap
Mar 25 at 21:08












$begingroup$
Because in physics I have always heard "if a tensor vanishes in a coordinates system it vanishes in all coordinates".
$endgroup$
– Wideep
Mar 25 at 21:09




$begingroup$
Because in physics I have always heard "if a tensor vanishes in a coordinates system it vanishes in all coordinates".
$endgroup$
– Wideep
Mar 25 at 21:09




1




1




$begingroup$
The precise statement would be "if a tensor vanishes on a collection of coordinate systems which cover the whole manifold then it vanishes in all possible coordinate systems".
$endgroup$
– levap
Mar 25 at 21:19




$begingroup$
The precise statement would be "if a tensor vanishes on a collection of coordinate systems which cover the whole manifold then it vanishes in all possible coordinate systems".
$endgroup$
– levap
Mar 25 at 21:19












$begingroup$
Wonderful, it was as I thought it should be! Thanks.
$endgroup$
– Wideep
Mar 26 at 8:31





$begingroup$
Wonderful, it was as I thought it should be! Thanks.
$endgroup$
– Wideep
Mar 26 at 8:31











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