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Poisson distributed radiation with a faulty counter



Announcing the arrival of Valued Associate #679: Cesar Manara
Planned maintenance scheduled April 17/18, 2019 at 00:00UTC (8:00pm US/Eastern)Where did $lambda$ come from?use poisson model to solve radioactive particles probability questionexponential distribution question (poisson process)Why does dependent random variables seem independent?Expected value of Poisson pdf $p(amid X)$, where $X$ is also Poisson distributedWhat is the probability emission of next 2 alpha particles will take at least 2 seconds?Probability question, exponentially distributed with rate onePoisson distribution - find value for $lambda$ given a known probabilityHow do I solve the questions below using the Poisson distribution with the variable $t$?2 Poisson distributions questions










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There is this problem that I think I have solved. I need feedback if I have solved it correctly. I also have some questions regarding the intuition on the solution I have obtained.



Problem Statement: Radioactive decay



Assume that a radioactive sample emits a random number of $alpha$ particles in
any given hour, and that the number of $alpha$ particles emitted in an hour is Poisson distributed with
parameter $lambda$. Suppose that a faulty Geiger-Muller counter is used to count these particle emissions. In particular, the faulty counter fails to register an emission with probability $p$, independently of other emissions.



(a) What is the probability that the faulty counter will register exactly $k$ emissions in an hour?



(b) Given that the faulty counter registered $k$ emissions in an hour, what is the PMF of the actual number of emissions that happened from the source during that hour?



My Attempt: So with a discrete random variable having Poisson distribution,



$$p_X(k) = frace^-lambdalambda^kk!$$



where $k in mathbbN cup 0$. In the given experiment, there are three random variables that are implicitly defined. Let $Y$ be the random variable which is the value that the counter registers after the first hour, let $Z$ be the random variable which denotes the number of failures in the counter during the hour, and let $X$ be the random variable which is the number of $alpha$ particles emitted in one hour.



(a) We need to find $mathbbP(Y=k)$.
begineqnarray*
mathbbP(Y=k) &=& sum_n=0^inftymathbbP(Z=n) times mathbbP(X=n+k) \
&=& sum_n=0^inftyn+k choose n (1-p)^k p^n frace^-lambdalambda^n+k(n+k)! \
&=& frac left (1-p)lambda right ^k e^-lambda(1-p)k!
endeqnarray*



This is as if the Poisson distribution has changed with a new constant of $(1-p)lambda$.



(b) Here, we need $$mathbbPleft (Y=k) right = fracmathbbP left (X=n+k)cap(Y=k) right mathbbP(Y=k)$$
and we know that $$mathbbP left (X=n+k)cap(Y=k) right =mathbbP(Z=n) times mathbbP(X=n+k)$$
Hence we finally get $$mathbbPleft (Y=k) right = e^-lambda p frac(lambda p)^nn!$$
We can replace $n+k$ with $N$ to get $$mathbbPleft (X=N) = e^-lambda p frac(lambda p)^N-k(N-k)!$$ if $N geq k$ and $0$ otherwise.



I wish to know the following.



  1. Is my solution correct?

  2. If my solution is correct, what is the intuitive explanation to the fact that if $p=0$, answer to (b) is $0$? Specifically, when $p=0$, then the counter is not making any mistakes. Why then is the conditional probability $0$?

  3. If my solution is correct, what is the intuitive explanation to the fact that if $p to 1$, answer to (b) is a Poisson process with coefficient $lambda$? Specifically, when $p to 1$, the counter is surely making a mistake each time. Why then is the conditional probability Poisson distributed when we know that the counter errs each time?









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    There is this problem that I think I have solved. I need feedback if I have solved it correctly. I also have some questions regarding the intuition on the solution I have obtained.



    Problem Statement: Radioactive decay



    Assume that a radioactive sample emits a random number of $alpha$ particles in
    any given hour, and that the number of $alpha$ particles emitted in an hour is Poisson distributed with
    parameter $lambda$. Suppose that a faulty Geiger-Muller counter is used to count these particle emissions. In particular, the faulty counter fails to register an emission with probability $p$, independently of other emissions.



    (a) What is the probability that the faulty counter will register exactly $k$ emissions in an hour?



    (b) Given that the faulty counter registered $k$ emissions in an hour, what is the PMF of the actual number of emissions that happened from the source during that hour?



    My Attempt: So with a discrete random variable having Poisson distribution,



    $$p_X(k) = frace^-lambdalambda^kk!$$



    where $k in mathbbN cup 0$. In the given experiment, there are three random variables that are implicitly defined. Let $Y$ be the random variable which is the value that the counter registers after the first hour, let $Z$ be the random variable which denotes the number of failures in the counter during the hour, and let $X$ be the random variable which is the number of $alpha$ particles emitted in one hour.



    (a) We need to find $mathbbP(Y=k)$.
    begineqnarray*
    mathbbP(Y=k) &=& sum_n=0^inftymathbbP(Z=n) times mathbbP(X=n+k) \
    &=& sum_n=0^inftyn+k choose n (1-p)^k p^n frace^-lambdalambda^n+k(n+k)! \
    &=& frac left (1-p)lambda right ^k e^-lambda(1-p)k!
    endeqnarray*



    This is as if the Poisson distribution has changed with a new constant of $(1-p)lambda$.



    (b) Here, we need $$mathbbPleft (Y=k) right = fracmathbbP left (X=n+k)cap(Y=k) right mathbbP(Y=k)$$
    and we know that $$mathbbP left (X=n+k)cap(Y=k) right =mathbbP(Z=n) times mathbbP(X=n+k)$$
    Hence we finally get $$mathbbPleft (Y=k) right = e^-lambda p frac(lambda p)^nn!$$
    We can replace $n+k$ with $N$ to get $$mathbbPleft (X=N) = e^-lambda p frac(lambda p)^N-k(N-k)!$$ if $N geq k$ and $0$ otherwise.



    I wish to know the following.



    1. Is my solution correct?

    2. If my solution is correct, what is the intuitive explanation to the fact that if $p=0$, answer to (b) is $0$? Specifically, when $p=0$, then the counter is not making any mistakes. Why then is the conditional probability $0$?

    3. If my solution is correct, what is the intuitive explanation to the fact that if $p to 1$, answer to (b) is a Poisson process with coefficient $lambda$? Specifically, when $p to 1$, the counter is surely making a mistake each time. Why then is the conditional probability Poisson distributed when we know that the counter errs each time?









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      There is this problem that I think I have solved. I need feedback if I have solved it correctly. I also have some questions regarding the intuition on the solution I have obtained.



      Problem Statement: Radioactive decay



      Assume that a radioactive sample emits a random number of $alpha$ particles in
      any given hour, and that the number of $alpha$ particles emitted in an hour is Poisson distributed with
      parameter $lambda$. Suppose that a faulty Geiger-Muller counter is used to count these particle emissions. In particular, the faulty counter fails to register an emission with probability $p$, independently of other emissions.



      (a) What is the probability that the faulty counter will register exactly $k$ emissions in an hour?



      (b) Given that the faulty counter registered $k$ emissions in an hour, what is the PMF of the actual number of emissions that happened from the source during that hour?



      My Attempt: So with a discrete random variable having Poisson distribution,



      $$p_X(k) = frace^-lambdalambda^kk!$$



      where $k in mathbbN cup 0$. In the given experiment, there are three random variables that are implicitly defined. Let $Y$ be the random variable which is the value that the counter registers after the first hour, let $Z$ be the random variable which denotes the number of failures in the counter during the hour, and let $X$ be the random variable which is the number of $alpha$ particles emitted in one hour.



      (a) We need to find $mathbbP(Y=k)$.
      begineqnarray*
      mathbbP(Y=k) &=& sum_n=0^inftymathbbP(Z=n) times mathbbP(X=n+k) \
      &=& sum_n=0^inftyn+k choose n (1-p)^k p^n frace^-lambdalambda^n+k(n+k)! \
      &=& frac left (1-p)lambda right ^k e^-lambda(1-p)k!
      endeqnarray*



      This is as if the Poisson distribution has changed with a new constant of $(1-p)lambda$.



      (b) Here, we need $$mathbbPleft (Y=k) right = fracmathbbP left (X=n+k)cap(Y=k) right mathbbP(Y=k)$$
      and we know that $$mathbbP left (X=n+k)cap(Y=k) right =mathbbP(Z=n) times mathbbP(X=n+k)$$
      Hence we finally get $$mathbbPleft (Y=k) right = e^-lambda p frac(lambda p)^nn!$$
      We can replace $n+k$ with $N$ to get $$mathbbPleft (X=N) = e^-lambda p frac(lambda p)^N-k(N-k)!$$ if $N geq k$ and $0$ otherwise.



      I wish to know the following.



      1. Is my solution correct?

      2. If my solution is correct, what is the intuitive explanation to the fact that if $p=0$, answer to (b) is $0$? Specifically, when $p=0$, then the counter is not making any mistakes. Why then is the conditional probability $0$?

      3. If my solution is correct, what is the intuitive explanation to the fact that if $p to 1$, answer to (b) is a Poisson process with coefficient $lambda$? Specifically, when $p to 1$, the counter is surely making a mistake each time. Why then is the conditional probability Poisson distributed when we know that the counter errs each time?









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      There is this problem that I think I have solved. I need feedback if I have solved it correctly. I also have some questions regarding the intuition on the solution I have obtained.



      Problem Statement: Radioactive decay



      Assume that a radioactive sample emits a random number of $alpha$ particles in
      any given hour, and that the number of $alpha$ particles emitted in an hour is Poisson distributed with
      parameter $lambda$. Suppose that a faulty Geiger-Muller counter is used to count these particle emissions. In particular, the faulty counter fails to register an emission with probability $p$, independently of other emissions.



      (a) What is the probability that the faulty counter will register exactly $k$ emissions in an hour?



      (b) Given that the faulty counter registered $k$ emissions in an hour, what is the PMF of the actual number of emissions that happened from the source during that hour?



      My Attempt: So with a discrete random variable having Poisson distribution,



      $$p_X(k) = frace^-lambdalambda^kk!$$



      where $k in mathbbN cup 0$. In the given experiment, there are three random variables that are implicitly defined. Let $Y$ be the random variable which is the value that the counter registers after the first hour, let $Z$ be the random variable which denotes the number of failures in the counter during the hour, and let $X$ be the random variable which is the number of $alpha$ particles emitted in one hour.



      (a) We need to find $mathbbP(Y=k)$.
      begineqnarray*
      mathbbP(Y=k) &=& sum_n=0^inftymathbbP(Z=n) times mathbbP(X=n+k) \
      &=& sum_n=0^inftyn+k choose n (1-p)^k p^n frace^-lambdalambda^n+k(n+k)! \
      &=& frac left (1-p)lambda right ^k e^-lambda(1-p)k!
      endeqnarray*



      This is as if the Poisson distribution has changed with a new constant of $(1-p)lambda$.



      (b) Here, we need $$mathbbPleft (Y=k) right = fracmathbbP left (X=n+k)cap(Y=k) right mathbbP(Y=k)$$
      and we know that $$mathbbP left (X=n+k)cap(Y=k) right =mathbbP(Z=n) times mathbbP(X=n+k)$$
      Hence we finally get $$mathbbPleft (Y=k) right = e^-lambda p frac(lambda p)^nn!$$
      We can replace $n+k$ with $N$ to get $$mathbbPleft (X=N) = e^-lambda p frac(lambda p)^N-k(N-k)!$$ if $N geq k$ and $0$ otherwise.



      I wish to know the following.



      1. Is my solution correct?

      2. If my solution is correct, what is the intuitive explanation to the fact that if $p=0$, answer to (b) is $0$? Specifically, when $p=0$, then the counter is not making any mistakes. Why then is the conditional probability $0$?

      3. If my solution is correct, what is the intuitive explanation to the fact that if $p to 1$, answer to (b) is a Poisson process with coefficient $lambda$? Specifically, when $p to 1$, the counter is surely making a mistake each time. Why then is the conditional probability Poisson distributed when we know that the counter errs each time?






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          Yes, that's correct.



          The key observation here to makes sense of our intuition is that the observed decays and the unobserved decays are independent random variables.



          Intuitively, as $pto 0$, the detector becomes practically infallible, and we're virtually certain that the decays we observed are all of them. The conditional probability you get there in the limit isn't simply zero - it's the point mass $delta(N-k)$, equal to $1$ if $N=k$ and zero otherwise.



          As $pto 1$, we lean on the independence. It doesn't matter how many decays we observed (although that isn't likely to be many) - the distribution of the unobserved decays always looks the same. Since, in the limit, all of the decays are unobserved, this approaches the Poisson distribution with parameter $lambda$ that describes all of the decays.



          The distribution of total decays given $k$ observed decays will be the appropriate Poisson distribution plus $k$. That's what the $N-k$ in your formulas is doing; it's shifting the argument. The answer to (b) is not a Poisson distribution but instead a translation of a Poisson distribution.






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          Yes, that's correct.



          The key observation here to makes sense of our intuition is that the observed decays and the unobserved decays are independent random variables.



          Intuitively, as $pto 0$, the detector becomes practically infallible, and we're virtually certain that the decays we observed are all of them. The conditional probability you get there in the limit isn't simply zero - it's the point mass $delta(N-k)$, equal to $1$ if $N=k$ and zero otherwise.



          As $pto 1$, we lean on the independence. It doesn't matter how many decays we observed (although that isn't likely to be many) - the distribution of the unobserved decays always looks the same. Since, in the limit, all of the decays are unobserved, this approaches the Poisson distribution with parameter $lambda$ that describes all of the decays.



          The distribution of total decays given $k$ observed decays will be the appropriate Poisson distribution plus $k$. That's what the $N-k$ in your formulas is doing; it's shifting the argument. The answer to (b) is not a Poisson distribution but instead a translation of a Poisson distribution.






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          Yes, that's correct.



          The key observation here to makes sense of our intuition is that the observed decays and the unobserved decays are independent random variables.



          Intuitively, as $pto 0$, the detector becomes practically infallible, and we're virtually certain that the decays we observed are all of them. The conditional probability you get there in the limit isn't simply zero - it's the point mass $delta(N-k)$, equal to $1$ if $N=k$ and zero otherwise.



          As $pto 1$, we lean on the independence. It doesn't matter how many decays we observed (although that isn't likely to be many) - the distribution of the unobserved decays always looks the same. Since, in the limit, all of the decays are unobserved, this approaches the Poisson distribution with parameter $lambda$ that describes all of the decays.



          The distribution of total decays given $k$ observed decays will be the appropriate Poisson distribution plus $k$. That's what the $N-k$ in your formulas is doing; it's shifting the argument. The answer to (b) is not a Poisson distribution but instead a translation of a Poisson distribution.






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          Yes, that's correct.



          The key observation here to makes sense of our intuition is that the observed decays and the unobserved decays are independent random variables.



          Intuitively, as $pto 0$, the detector becomes practically infallible, and we're virtually certain that the decays we observed are all of them. The conditional probability you get there in the limit isn't simply zero - it's the point mass $delta(N-k)$, equal to $1$ if $N=k$ and zero otherwise.



          As $pto 1$, we lean on the independence. It doesn't matter how many decays we observed (although that isn't likely to be many) - the distribution of the unobserved decays always looks the same. Since, in the limit, all of the decays are unobserved, this approaches the Poisson distribution with parameter $lambda$ that describes all of the decays.



          The distribution of total decays given $k$ observed decays will be the appropriate Poisson distribution plus $k$. That's what the $N-k$ in your formulas is doing; it's shifting the argument. The answer to (b) is not a Poisson distribution but instead a translation of a Poisson distribution.






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          Yes, that's correct.



          The key observation here to makes sense of our intuition is that the observed decays and the unobserved decays are independent random variables.



          Intuitively, as $pto 0$, the detector becomes practically infallible, and we're virtually certain that the decays we observed are all of them. The conditional probability you get there in the limit isn't simply zero - it's the point mass $delta(N-k)$, equal to $1$ if $N=k$ and zero otherwise.



          As $pto 1$, we lean on the independence. It doesn't matter how many decays we observed (although that isn't likely to be many) - the distribution of the unobserved decays always looks the same. Since, in the limit, all of the decays are unobserved, this approaches the Poisson distribution with parameter $lambda$ that describes all of the decays.



          The distribution of total decays given $k$ observed decays will be the appropriate Poisson distribution plus $k$. That's what the $N-k$ in your formulas is doing; it's shifting the argument. The answer to (b) is not a Poisson distribution but instead a translation of a Poisson distribution.







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