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Does there exist positive rational $s$ for which $zeta(s)$ is a positive integer?
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Does there exist positive rational $s$ for which the Riemann Zeta function $zeta(s) in N$ or equivalently, does there exist finite positive integers $ell,m$ and $n$ such that $$zetaleft(1+dfracellmright) = n$$
My progress: Using the method described in my answer below, I am running a computer program, I have been able to show that if there is a solution then $l > 2.21times 10^4$.
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Does there exist positive rational $s$ for which the Riemann Zeta function $zeta(s) in N$ or equivalently, does there exist finite positive integers $ell,m$ and $n$ such that $$zetaleft(1+dfracellmright) = n$$
My progress: Using the method described in my answer below, I am running a computer program, I have been able to show that if there is a solution then $l > 2.21times 10^4$.
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I would expect that $zeta(r)$ is irrational for all rationals $r > 1$, but to prove this may be beyond the current state of the art. We don't even know that $zeta(5)$ is irrational.
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If $zeta$ denotes the Riemann zeta function, please include it in your question.
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Does there exist positive rational $s$ for which the Riemann Zeta function $zeta(s) in N$ or equivalently, does there exist finite positive integers $ell,m$ and $n$ such that $$zetaleft(1+dfracellmright) = n$$
My progress: Using the method described in my answer below, I am running a computer program, I have been able to show that if there is a solution then $l > 2.21times 10^4$.
real-analysis number-theory prime-numbers analytic-number-theory riemann-zeta
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Does there exist positive rational $s$ for which the Riemann Zeta function $zeta(s) in N$ or equivalently, does there exist finite positive integers $ell,m$ and $n$ such that $$zetaleft(1+dfracellmright) = n$$
My progress: Using the method described in my answer below, I am running a computer program, I have been able to show that if there is a solution then $l > 2.21times 10^4$.
real-analysis number-theory prime-numbers analytic-number-theory riemann-zeta
real-analysis number-theory prime-numbers analytic-number-theory riemann-zeta
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I would expect that $zeta(r)$ is irrational for all rationals $r > 1$, but to prove this may be beyond the current state of the art. We don't even know that $zeta(5)$ is irrational.
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– Robert Israel
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I would expect that $zeta(r)$ is irrational for all rationals $r > 1$, but to prove this may be beyond the current state of the art. We don't even know that $zeta(5)$ is irrational.
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– Robert Israel
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– Klangen
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I would expect that $zeta(r)$ is irrational for all rationals $r > 1$, but to prove this may be beyond the current state of the art. We don't even know that $zeta(5)$ is irrational.
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– Robert Israel
Aug 19 '18 at 5:54
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I would expect that $zeta(r)$ is irrational for all rationals $r > 1$, but to prove this may be beyond the current state of the art. We don't even know that $zeta(5)$ is irrational.
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– Robert Israel
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If $zeta$ denotes the Riemann zeta function, please include it in your question.
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– Klangen
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I misread $l$ as $1$, but in any case, as a partial result, here's a resolution for the case $l=1$.
Fix $sinmathbbR$, with $s > 1$.
On the interval $(0,infty)$, let
$f(x)=smalldisplaystylefrac1x^larges$.
It's easily verified that
$
displaystyle
int_1^infty !f(x),dx
=
smallfrac1s-1
$.
Consider the infinite series
$
displaystyle
sum_k=1^infty frac1k^s
$.
Since $f$ is positive, continuous, and strictly decreasing, we get
beginalign*
int_1^infty !f(x),dx < ;&sum_k=1^infty frac1k^s < 1+int_1^infty !f(x),dx\[4pt]
implies;smallfrac1s-1 < ;&sum_k=1^infty frac1k^s < 1+smallfrac1s-1\[4pt]
endalign*
If $m$ is a positive integer, then letting $s=1+largefrac1m$, we have $largefrac1s-1=m$, hence
beginalign*
smallfrac1s-1 < ;&sum_k=1^infty frac1k^s < ;1+smallfrac1s-1\[4pt]
implies;m < ;,&zetabigl(1+smallfrac1mbigr) < ;m + 1\[4pt]
endalign*
so $zetabigl(1+largefrac1mbigr)$ is not an integer.
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Thanks. In fact I have a slightly stronger result can be one of the approach to tackle this problem. Using the Stieltjes series expansion of thte Riemann Zeta function we can show that for $l = 1$, the fractional part of $zeta(1+1/m)$ starts from $pi^2/2 - 1 = 0.6449341$ for $m = 1$ and strictly decreases with $m$ and approaches the limiting value of $1-gamma sim 0.422785$ where $gamma$ is the Euler-Mascheroni constant. Hence $pi^2/2 - 1 le (zeta(1+1/m)) le gamma$. I have been trying to see if this method can be generalized for the case $l > 1$.
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– Nilotpal Kanti Sinha
Aug 19 '18 at 10:52
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Yes, I had that result, but it doesn't go anywhere for $l > 1$.
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– quasi
Aug 19 '18 at 11:02
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Can you resolve the problem for any other value of $l$, other than $l=1$? For example, can you resolve the case $l=2$?
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Aug 19 '18 at 11:04
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Note that for positive integers $l,m$, the expression $1+l/m$ can take any rational value greater than $1$, so your question can be recast as asking if there exists a rational number $s > 1$ such that $zeta(s)$ is an integer. My sense (seconding Robert Israel's comment) is that an answer to that question is out of range of current knowledge.
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– quasi
Aug 19 '18 at 11:09
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I think that the case for integer should be easier than the case for deciding rationality. I will outline my approach below since it will be too long for a comment.
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– Nilotpal Kanti Sinha
Aug 20 '18 at 6:36
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Can you resolve the problem for any other value of l, other than l=1?
For example, can you resolve the case l=2?
Yes and in fact I can show that $l ge 2.2*10^4$. Here is the outline of my approach which I am posting as an answer since it is too long to be a comment.
Step 1: The first step was to derive the following result
For every integer $n ge 2$ there exists a positive real $c_n$ such
that $displaystyle zetaBig(1+frac1n-1+c_nBig) = n. $
The first few terms of the asymptotic expansion of $c_n$ in terms of $n$ and the Stieltjes constants $gamma_i$ are
$$ c_n = 1-gamma_0 + fracgamma_1n-1
+ fracgamma_2 + gamma_1 - gamma_0 gamma_1(n-1)^2 + OBig(frac1n^3Big) $$
Step 2: I computed the first few values of $c_n$ but I did not use the above result. Instead I used the following recurrence formula.
Let $alpha_0$ be any positive real and $displaystyle alpha_r+1 = n +
alpha_r - zetaBig(1+frac1n -1 + alpha_rBig); $ then $displaystyle lim_r to inftyalpha_r = c_n$.
Using this we obtained
$$
c_2 approx 0.3724062
$$
$$
c_3 approx 0.3932265
$$
$$
ldots
$$
$$
c_12 approx 0.4164435
$$
Step 3: Show that $l ge 5$
Let $displaystyle zetaBig(1+fraclmBig) in N$ and let $m = lk+d$ where $gcd(l,d) = 1$ and $1 le d < l$.
Clearly, $c_2 le c_n < 1-gamma_0$ or $0.3724062 le c_n < 0.422785$.
Hence we must have $displaystyle 0.3724062 le fracdl < 0.422785$. The fraction with the smallest value of $l$ satisfying this condition is $displaystylefrac25 $ hence $l ge 5$.
Extending the same approach I am able to show that $l > 2.2*10^4$.
Problems with this approach:
With this approach and with powerful computing, we can prove results like if $displaystyle zetaBig(1+fraclmBig) in N $ then $l$ must be greater than some large positive integer but I don't see how this approach will solve the general problem.
Source code:
# Program with maximum n
from time import time
from mpmath import mp
start_time = time()
a = 1
a_end = 10^5
n_max = 2267
# Maximum n is at:', 4468, 1889, 2267
while(a < a_end + 1):
b = 1 + floor(0.372406215900714*a)
while(b <= floor((1 - euler_gamma)*a)):
if(gcd(b,a) == 1):
n = 2
found = 1
while (found == 1):
i = 1
r = 50
c_n = c_n1 = N((1 - euler_gamma), digits = 100)
while (i <= r):
c_n = N(n + c_n - zeta(1 + 1/(n - 1 + c_n)), digits = 10)
c_n1 = N(n + 1 + c_n1 - zeta(1 + 1/(n + 1 - 1 + c_n1)), digits = 10)
i = i + 1
test = N(b/a, digits = 100)
if(c_n < test):
if(test < c_n1):
found = found - 1
# print(b, a, n, c_n, b/a.n(), c_n1)
if (n > n_max):
n_max = n
print("Maximum n is at:", a, b, n_max)
b = b + 1
if(b > floor((1 - euler_gamma)*a)):
found = found - 1
else:
n = n + 1
n = n + 1
else:
n = n + 1
if(found == 1):
found = found - 1
print("Solutions may be found for", a, b/a, c_n, b/a.n(), c_n1)
b = b + 1
else:
b = b + 1
if(a%10^1 == 0):
print("Checked till", a, "Duration", floor(time() - start_time))
a = a + 1
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Nice work! Seems like a lot of progress. Is this your own problem?
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Aug 20 '18 at 9:37
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Thanks. Yes its my own problem that I worked way back in 2005 and then it got lost among other things. Revisiting it now after 13 years.
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This certainly seems worth publishing. Here is one possibility: tandfonline.com/loi/uexm20
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Whilst not a solution, I thought it might be interesting to see What happens if we use the functional equation:
$$zetaleft(1+fracmnright)=2^left(1+fracmnright)pi^fracmnsinleft(fracpi2left(1+fracmnright)right)Gammaleft(-fracmnright)zetaleft(-fracmnright).$$
$zeta(s)$ is known to be rational at the negative integers,
$$zeta(-a)=(-1)^afracB_a+1a+1.$$
You actually get $zeta(-a)=0$ for $a$ even due to the trivial zeros.
But it appears that when you combine this with the functional equation, then in the limit, you get something non-zero and irrational, so that doesn't even give you an integer.
On the other hand if $m/n=2k-1$ is odd then we have
$$zetaleft(2kright)=frac(-1)^k+1B_2k(2pi)^2k2(2k)!,$$
by Euler's formula, which is "almost" rational except for the $pi$ factor. Bugger. So no chance of being integral.
If you modify your problem slightly, then using the above you can produce positive integers, but that's no fun.
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I misread $l$ as $1$, but in any case, as a partial result, here's a resolution for the case $l=1$.
Fix $sinmathbbR$, with $s > 1$.
On the interval $(0,infty)$, let
$f(x)=smalldisplaystylefrac1x^larges$.
It's easily verified that
$
displaystyle
int_1^infty !f(x),dx
=
smallfrac1s-1
$.
Consider the infinite series
$
displaystyle
sum_k=1^infty frac1k^s
$.
Since $f$ is positive, continuous, and strictly decreasing, we get
beginalign*
int_1^infty !f(x),dx < ;&sum_k=1^infty frac1k^s < 1+int_1^infty !f(x),dx\[4pt]
implies;smallfrac1s-1 < ;&sum_k=1^infty frac1k^s < 1+smallfrac1s-1\[4pt]
endalign*
If $m$ is a positive integer, then letting $s=1+largefrac1m$, we have $largefrac1s-1=m$, hence
beginalign*
smallfrac1s-1 < ;&sum_k=1^infty frac1k^s < ;1+smallfrac1s-1\[4pt]
implies;m < ;,&zetabigl(1+smallfrac1mbigr) < ;m + 1\[4pt]
endalign*
so $zetabigl(1+largefrac1mbigr)$ is not an integer.
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Thanks. In fact I have a slightly stronger result can be one of the approach to tackle this problem. Using the Stieltjes series expansion of thte Riemann Zeta function we can show that for $l = 1$, the fractional part of $zeta(1+1/m)$ starts from $pi^2/2 - 1 = 0.6449341$ for $m = 1$ and strictly decreases with $m$ and approaches the limiting value of $1-gamma sim 0.422785$ where $gamma$ is the Euler-Mascheroni constant. Hence $pi^2/2 - 1 le (zeta(1+1/m)) le gamma$. I have been trying to see if this method can be generalized for the case $l > 1$.
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– Nilotpal Kanti Sinha
Aug 19 '18 at 10:52
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Yes, I had that result, but it doesn't go anywhere for $l > 1$.
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– quasi
Aug 19 '18 at 11:02
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Can you resolve the problem for any other value of $l$, other than $l=1$? For example, can you resolve the case $l=2$?
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– quasi
Aug 19 '18 at 11:04
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Note that for positive integers $l,m$, the expression $1+l/m$ can take any rational value greater than $1$, so your question can be recast as asking if there exists a rational number $s > 1$ such that $zeta(s)$ is an integer. My sense (seconding Robert Israel's comment) is that an answer to that question is out of range of current knowledge.
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– quasi
Aug 19 '18 at 11:09
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I think that the case for integer should be easier than the case for deciding rationality. I will outline my approach below since it will be too long for a comment.
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– Nilotpal Kanti Sinha
Aug 20 '18 at 6:36
add a comment |
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I misread $l$ as $1$, but in any case, as a partial result, here's a resolution for the case $l=1$.
Fix $sinmathbbR$, with $s > 1$.
On the interval $(0,infty)$, let
$f(x)=smalldisplaystylefrac1x^larges$.
It's easily verified that
$
displaystyle
int_1^infty !f(x),dx
=
smallfrac1s-1
$.
Consider the infinite series
$
displaystyle
sum_k=1^infty frac1k^s
$.
Since $f$ is positive, continuous, and strictly decreasing, we get
beginalign*
int_1^infty !f(x),dx < ;&sum_k=1^infty frac1k^s < 1+int_1^infty !f(x),dx\[4pt]
implies;smallfrac1s-1 < ;&sum_k=1^infty frac1k^s < 1+smallfrac1s-1\[4pt]
endalign*
If $m$ is a positive integer, then letting $s=1+largefrac1m$, we have $largefrac1s-1=m$, hence
beginalign*
smallfrac1s-1 < ;&sum_k=1^infty frac1k^s < ;1+smallfrac1s-1\[4pt]
implies;m < ;,&zetabigl(1+smallfrac1mbigr) < ;m + 1\[4pt]
endalign*
so $zetabigl(1+largefrac1mbigr)$ is not an integer.
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Thanks. In fact I have a slightly stronger result can be one of the approach to tackle this problem. Using the Stieltjes series expansion of thte Riemann Zeta function we can show that for $l = 1$, the fractional part of $zeta(1+1/m)$ starts from $pi^2/2 - 1 = 0.6449341$ for $m = 1$ and strictly decreases with $m$ and approaches the limiting value of $1-gamma sim 0.422785$ where $gamma$ is the Euler-Mascheroni constant. Hence $pi^2/2 - 1 le (zeta(1+1/m)) le gamma$. I have been trying to see if this method can be generalized for the case $l > 1$.
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– Nilotpal Kanti Sinha
Aug 19 '18 at 10:52
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Yes, I had that result, but it doesn't go anywhere for $l > 1$.
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– quasi
Aug 19 '18 at 11:02
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Can you resolve the problem for any other value of $l$, other than $l=1$? For example, can you resolve the case $l=2$?
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– quasi
Aug 19 '18 at 11:04
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Note that for positive integers $l,m$, the expression $1+l/m$ can take any rational value greater than $1$, so your question can be recast as asking if there exists a rational number $s > 1$ such that $zeta(s)$ is an integer. My sense (seconding Robert Israel's comment) is that an answer to that question is out of range of current knowledge.
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– quasi
Aug 19 '18 at 11:09
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I think that the case for integer should be easier than the case for deciding rationality. I will outline my approach below since it will be too long for a comment.
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– Nilotpal Kanti Sinha
Aug 20 '18 at 6:36
add a comment |
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I misread $l$ as $1$, but in any case, as a partial result, here's a resolution for the case $l=1$.
Fix $sinmathbbR$, with $s > 1$.
On the interval $(0,infty)$, let
$f(x)=smalldisplaystylefrac1x^larges$.
It's easily verified that
$
displaystyle
int_1^infty !f(x),dx
=
smallfrac1s-1
$.
Consider the infinite series
$
displaystyle
sum_k=1^infty frac1k^s
$.
Since $f$ is positive, continuous, and strictly decreasing, we get
beginalign*
int_1^infty !f(x),dx < ;&sum_k=1^infty frac1k^s < 1+int_1^infty !f(x),dx\[4pt]
implies;smallfrac1s-1 < ;&sum_k=1^infty frac1k^s < 1+smallfrac1s-1\[4pt]
endalign*
If $m$ is a positive integer, then letting $s=1+largefrac1m$, we have $largefrac1s-1=m$, hence
beginalign*
smallfrac1s-1 < ;&sum_k=1^infty frac1k^s < ;1+smallfrac1s-1\[4pt]
implies;m < ;,&zetabigl(1+smallfrac1mbigr) < ;m + 1\[4pt]
endalign*
so $zetabigl(1+largefrac1mbigr)$ is not an integer.
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I misread $l$ as $1$, but in any case, as a partial result, here's a resolution for the case $l=1$.
Fix $sinmathbbR$, with $s > 1$.
On the interval $(0,infty)$, let
$f(x)=smalldisplaystylefrac1x^larges$.
It's easily verified that
$
displaystyle
int_1^infty !f(x),dx
=
smallfrac1s-1
$.
Consider the infinite series
$
displaystyle
sum_k=1^infty frac1k^s
$.
Since $f$ is positive, continuous, and strictly decreasing, we get
beginalign*
int_1^infty !f(x),dx < ;&sum_k=1^infty frac1k^s < 1+int_1^infty !f(x),dx\[4pt]
implies;smallfrac1s-1 < ;&sum_k=1^infty frac1k^s < 1+smallfrac1s-1\[4pt]
endalign*
If $m$ is a positive integer, then letting $s=1+largefrac1m$, we have $largefrac1s-1=m$, hence
beginalign*
smallfrac1s-1 < ;&sum_k=1^infty frac1k^s < ;1+smallfrac1s-1\[4pt]
implies;m < ;,&zetabigl(1+smallfrac1mbigr) < ;m + 1\[4pt]
endalign*
so $zetabigl(1+largefrac1mbigr)$ is not an integer.
edited Aug 19 '18 at 8:57
answered Aug 19 '18 at 8:06
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Thanks. In fact I have a slightly stronger result can be one of the approach to tackle this problem. Using the Stieltjes series expansion of thte Riemann Zeta function we can show that for $l = 1$, the fractional part of $zeta(1+1/m)$ starts from $pi^2/2 - 1 = 0.6449341$ for $m = 1$ and strictly decreases with $m$ and approaches the limiting value of $1-gamma sim 0.422785$ where $gamma$ is the Euler-Mascheroni constant. Hence $pi^2/2 - 1 le (zeta(1+1/m)) le gamma$. I have been trying to see if this method can be generalized for the case $l > 1$.
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– Nilotpal Kanti Sinha
Aug 19 '18 at 10:52
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Yes, I had that result, but it doesn't go anywhere for $l > 1$.
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– quasi
Aug 19 '18 at 11:02
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Can you resolve the problem for any other value of $l$, other than $l=1$? For example, can you resolve the case $l=2$?
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– quasi
Aug 19 '18 at 11:04
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Note that for positive integers $l,m$, the expression $1+l/m$ can take any rational value greater than $1$, so your question can be recast as asking if there exists a rational number $s > 1$ such that $zeta(s)$ is an integer. My sense (seconding Robert Israel's comment) is that an answer to that question is out of range of current knowledge.
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– quasi
Aug 19 '18 at 11:09
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I think that the case for integer should be easier than the case for deciding rationality. I will outline my approach below since it will be too long for a comment.
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– Nilotpal Kanti Sinha
Aug 20 '18 at 6:36
add a comment |
3
$begingroup$
Thanks. In fact I have a slightly stronger result can be one of the approach to tackle this problem. Using the Stieltjes series expansion of thte Riemann Zeta function we can show that for $l = 1$, the fractional part of $zeta(1+1/m)$ starts from $pi^2/2 - 1 = 0.6449341$ for $m = 1$ and strictly decreases with $m$ and approaches the limiting value of $1-gamma sim 0.422785$ where $gamma$ is the Euler-Mascheroni constant. Hence $pi^2/2 - 1 le (zeta(1+1/m)) le gamma$. I have been trying to see if this method can be generalized for the case $l > 1$.
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– Nilotpal Kanti Sinha
Aug 19 '18 at 10:52
$begingroup$
Yes, I had that result, but it doesn't go anywhere for $l > 1$.
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– quasi
Aug 19 '18 at 11:02
$begingroup$
Can you resolve the problem for any other value of $l$, other than $l=1$? For example, can you resolve the case $l=2$?
$endgroup$
– quasi
Aug 19 '18 at 11:04
$begingroup$
Note that for positive integers $l,m$, the expression $1+l/m$ can take any rational value greater than $1$, so your question can be recast as asking if there exists a rational number $s > 1$ such that $zeta(s)$ is an integer. My sense (seconding Robert Israel's comment) is that an answer to that question is out of range of current knowledge.
$endgroup$
– quasi
Aug 19 '18 at 11:09
$begingroup$
I think that the case for integer should be easier than the case for deciding rationality. I will outline my approach below since it will be too long for a comment.
$endgroup$
– Nilotpal Kanti Sinha
Aug 20 '18 at 6:36
3
3
$begingroup$
Thanks. In fact I have a slightly stronger result can be one of the approach to tackle this problem. Using the Stieltjes series expansion of thte Riemann Zeta function we can show that for $l = 1$, the fractional part of $zeta(1+1/m)$ starts from $pi^2/2 - 1 = 0.6449341$ for $m = 1$ and strictly decreases with $m$ and approaches the limiting value of $1-gamma sim 0.422785$ where $gamma$ is the Euler-Mascheroni constant. Hence $pi^2/2 - 1 le (zeta(1+1/m)) le gamma$. I have been trying to see if this method can be generalized for the case $l > 1$.
$endgroup$
– Nilotpal Kanti Sinha
Aug 19 '18 at 10:52
$begingroup$
Thanks. In fact I have a slightly stronger result can be one of the approach to tackle this problem. Using the Stieltjes series expansion of thte Riemann Zeta function we can show that for $l = 1$, the fractional part of $zeta(1+1/m)$ starts from $pi^2/2 - 1 = 0.6449341$ for $m = 1$ and strictly decreases with $m$ and approaches the limiting value of $1-gamma sim 0.422785$ where $gamma$ is the Euler-Mascheroni constant. Hence $pi^2/2 - 1 le (zeta(1+1/m)) le gamma$. I have been trying to see if this method can be generalized for the case $l > 1$.
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– Nilotpal Kanti Sinha
Aug 19 '18 at 10:52
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Yes, I had that result, but it doesn't go anywhere for $l > 1$.
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– quasi
Aug 19 '18 at 11:02
$begingroup$
Yes, I had that result, but it doesn't go anywhere for $l > 1$.
$endgroup$
– quasi
Aug 19 '18 at 11:02
$begingroup$
Can you resolve the problem for any other value of $l$, other than $l=1$? For example, can you resolve the case $l=2$?
$endgroup$
– quasi
Aug 19 '18 at 11:04
$begingroup$
Can you resolve the problem for any other value of $l$, other than $l=1$? For example, can you resolve the case $l=2$?
$endgroup$
– quasi
Aug 19 '18 at 11:04
$begingroup$
Note that for positive integers $l,m$, the expression $1+l/m$ can take any rational value greater than $1$, so your question can be recast as asking if there exists a rational number $s > 1$ such that $zeta(s)$ is an integer. My sense (seconding Robert Israel's comment) is that an answer to that question is out of range of current knowledge.
$endgroup$
– quasi
Aug 19 '18 at 11:09
$begingroup$
Note that for positive integers $l,m$, the expression $1+l/m$ can take any rational value greater than $1$, so your question can be recast as asking if there exists a rational number $s > 1$ such that $zeta(s)$ is an integer. My sense (seconding Robert Israel's comment) is that an answer to that question is out of range of current knowledge.
$endgroup$
– quasi
Aug 19 '18 at 11:09
$begingroup$
I think that the case for integer should be easier than the case for deciding rationality. I will outline my approach below since it will be too long for a comment.
$endgroup$
– Nilotpal Kanti Sinha
Aug 20 '18 at 6:36
$begingroup$
I think that the case for integer should be easier than the case for deciding rationality. I will outline my approach below since it will be too long for a comment.
$endgroup$
– Nilotpal Kanti Sinha
Aug 20 '18 at 6:36
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Can you resolve the problem for any other value of l, other than l=1?
For example, can you resolve the case l=2?
Yes and in fact I can show that $l ge 2.2*10^4$. Here is the outline of my approach which I am posting as an answer since it is too long to be a comment.
Step 1: The first step was to derive the following result
For every integer $n ge 2$ there exists a positive real $c_n$ such
that $displaystyle zetaBig(1+frac1n-1+c_nBig) = n. $
The first few terms of the asymptotic expansion of $c_n$ in terms of $n$ and the Stieltjes constants $gamma_i$ are
$$ c_n = 1-gamma_0 + fracgamma_1n-1
+ fracgamma_2 + gamma_1 - gamma_0 gamma_1(n-1)^2 + OBig(frac1n^3Big) $$
Step 2: I computed the first few values of $c_n$ but I did not use the above result. Instead I used the following recurrence formula.
Let $alpha_0$ be any positive real and $displaystyle alpha_r+1 = n +
alpha_r - zetaBig(1+frac1n -1 + alpha_rBig); $ then $displaystyle lim_r to inftyalpha_r = c_n$.
Using this we obtained
$$
c_2 approx 0.3724062
$$
$$
c_3 approx 0.3932265
$$
$$
ldots
$$
$$
c_12 approx 0.4164435
$$
Step 3: Show that $l ge 5$
Let $displaystyle zetaBig(1+fraclmBig) in N$ and let $m = lk+d$ where $gcd(l,d) = 1$ and $1 le d < l$.
Clearly, $c_2 le c_n < 1-gamma_0$ or $0.3724062 le c_n < 0.422785$.
Hence we must have $displaystyle 0.3724062 le fracdl < 0.422785$. The fraction with the smallest value of $l$ satisfying this condition is $displaystylefrac25 $ hence $l ge 5$.
Extending the same approach I am able to show that $l > 2.2*10^4$.
Problems with this approach:
With this approach and with powerful computing, we can prove results like if $displaystyle zetaBig(1+fraclmBig) in N $ then $l$ must be greater than some large positive integer but I don't see how this approach will solve the general problem.
Source code:
# Program with maximum n
from time import time
from mpmath import mp
start_time = time()
a = 1
a_end = 10^5
n_max = 2267
# Maximum n is at:', 4468, 1889, 2267
while(a < a_end + 1):
b = 1 + floor(0.372406215900714*a)
while(b <= floor((1 - euler_gamma)*a)):
if(gcd(b,a) == 1):
n = 2
found = 1
while (found == 1):
i = 1
r = 50
c_n = c_n1 = N((1 - euler_gamma), digits = 100)
while (i <= r):
c_n = N(n + c_n - zeta(1 + 1/(n - 1 + c_n)), digits = 10)
c_n1 = N(n + 1 + c_n1 - zeta(1 + 1/(n + 1 - 1 + c_n1)), digits = 10)
i = i + 1
test = N(b/a, digits = 100)
if(c_n < test):
if(test < c_n1):
found = found - 1
# print(b, a, n, c_n, b/a.n(), c_n1)
if (n > n_max):
n_max = n
print("Maximum n is at:", a, b, n_max)
b = b + 1
if(b > floor((1 - euler_gamma)*a)):
found = found - 1
else:
n = n + 1
n = n + 1
else:
n = n + 1
if(found == 1):
found = found - 1
print("Solutions may be found for", a, b/a, c_n, b/a.n(), c_n1)
b = b + 1
else:
b = b + 1
if(a%10^1 == 0):
print("Checked till", a, "Duration", floor(time() - start_time))
a = a + 1
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3
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Nice work! Seems like a lot of progress. Is this your own problem?
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– quasi
Aug 20 '18 at 9:37
4
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Thanks. Yes its my own problem that I worked way back in 2005 and then it got lost among other things. Revisiting it now after 13 years.
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– Nilotpal Kanti Sinha
Aug 20 '18 at 9:52
3
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This certainly seems worth publishing. Here is one possibility: tandfonline.com/loi/uexm20
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– marty cohen
Oct 4 '18 at 5:47
add a comment |
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Can you resolve the problem for any other value of l, other than l=1?
For example, can you resolve the case l=2?
Yes and in fact I can show that $l ge 2.2*10^4$. Here is the outline of my approach which I am posting as an answer since it is too long to be a comment.
Step 1: The first step was to derive the following result
For every integer $n ge 2$ there exists a positive real $c_n$ such
that $displaystyle zetaBig(1+frac1n-1+c_nBig) = n. $
The first few terms of the asymptotic expansion of $c_n$ in terms of $n$ and the Stieltjes constants $gamma_i$ are
$$ c_n = 1-gamma_0 + fracgamma_1n-1
+ fracgamma_2 + gamma_1 - gamma_0 gamma_1(n-1)^2 + OBig(frac1n^3Big) $$
Step 2: I computed the first few values of $c_n$ but I did not use the above result. Instead I used the following recurrence formula.
Let $alpha_0$ be any positive real and $displaystyle alpha_r+1 = n +
alpha_r - zetaBig(1+frac1n -1 + alpha_rBig); $ then $displaystyle lim_r to inftyalpha_r = c_n$.
Using this we obtained
$$
c_2 approx 0.3724062
$$
$$
c_3 approx 0.3932265
$$
$$
ldots
$$
$$
c_12 approx 0.4164435
$$
Step 3: Show that $l ge 5$
Let $displaystyle zetaBig(1+fraclmBig) in N$ and let $m = lk+d$ where $gcd(l,d) = 1$ and $1 le d < l$.
Clearly, $c_2 le c_n < 1-gamma_0$ or $0.3724062 le c_n < 0.422785$.
Hence we must have $displaystyle 0.3724062 le fracdl < 0.422785$. The fraction with the smallest value of $l$ satisfying this condition is $displaystylefrac25 $ hence $l ge 5$.
Extending the same approach I am able to show that $l > 2.2*10^4$.
Problems with this approach:
With this approach and with powerful computing, we can prove results like if $displaystyle zetaBig(1+fraclmBig) in N $ then $l$ must be greater than some large positive integer but I don't see how this approach will solve the general problem.
Source code:
# Program with maximum n
from time import time
from mpmath import mp
start_time = time()
a = 1
a_end = 10^5
n_max = 2267
# Maximum n is at:', 4468, 1889, 2267
while(a < a_end + 1):
b = 1 + floor(0.372406215900714*a)
while(b <= floor((1 - euler_gamma)*a)):
if(gcd(b,a) == 1):
n = 2
found = 1
while (found == 1):
i = 1
r = 50
c_n = c_n1 = N((1 - euler_gamma), digits = 100)
while (i <= r):
c_n = N(n + c_n - zeta(1 + 1/(n - 1 + c_n)), digits = 10)
c_n1 = N(n + 1 + c_n1 - zeta(1 + 1/(n + 1 - 1 + c_n1)), digits = 10)
i = i + 1
test = N(b/a, digits = 100)
if(c_n < test):
if(test < c_n1):
found = found - 1
# print(b, a, n, c_n, b/a.n(), c_n1)
if (n > n_max):
n_max = n
print("Maximum n is at:", a, b, n_max)
b = b + 1
if(b > floor((1 - euler_gamma)*a)):
found = found - 1
else:
n = n + 1
n = n + 1
else:
n = n + 1
if(found == 1):
found = found - 1
print("Solutions may be found for", a, b/a, c_n, b/a.n(), c_n1)
b = b + 1
else:
b = b + 1
if(a%10^1 == 0):
print("Checked till", a, "Duration", floor(time() - start_time))
a = a + 1
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3
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Nice work! Seems like a lot of progress. Is this your own problem?
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– quasi
Aug 20 '18 at 9:37
4
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Thanks. Yes its my own problem that I worked way back in 2005 and then it got lost among other things. Revisiting it now after 13 years.
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– Nilotpal Kanti Sinha
Aug 20 '18 at 9:52
3
$begingroup$
This certainly seems worth publishing. Here is one possibility: tandfonline.com/loi/uexm20
$endgroup$
– marty cohen
Oct 4 '18 at 5:47
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Can you resolve the problem for any other value of l, other than l=1?
For example, can you resolve the case l=2?
Yes and in fact I can show that $l ge 2.2*10^4$. Here is the outline of my approach which I am posting as an answer since it is too long to be a comment.
Step 1: The first step was to derive the following result
For every integer $n ge 2$ there exists a positive real $c_n$ such
that $displaystyle zetaBig(1+frac1n-1+c_nBig) = n. $
The first few terms of the asymptotic expansion of $c_n$ in terms of $n$ and the Stieltjes constants $gamma_i$ are
$$ c_n = 1-gamma_0 + fracgamma_1n-1
+ fracgamma_2 + gamma_1 - gamma_0 gamma_1(n-1)^2 + OBig(frac1n^3Big) $$
Step 2: I computed the first few values of $c_n$ but I did not use the above result. Instead I used the following recurrence formula.
Let $alpha_0$ be any positive real and $displaystyle alpha_r+1 = n +
alpha_r - zetaBig(1+frac1n -1 + alpha_rBig); $ then $displaystyle lim_r to inftyalpha_r = c_n$.
Using this we obtained
$$
c_2 approx 0.3724062
$$
$$
c_3 approx 0.3932265
$$
$$
ldots
$$
$$
c_12 approx 0.4164435
$$
Step 3: Show that $l ge 5$
Let $displaystyle zetaBig(1+fraclmBig) in N$ and let $m = lk+d$ where $gcd(l,d) = 1$ and $1 le d < l$.
Clearly, $c_2 le c_n < 1-gamma_0$ or $0.3724062 le c_n < 0.422785$.
Hence we must have $displaystyle 0.3724062 le fracdl < 0.422785$. The fraction with the smallest value of $l$ satisfying this condition is $displaystylefrac25 $ hence $l ge 5$.
Extending the same approach I am able to show that $l > 2.2*10^4$.
Problems with this approach:
With this approach and with powerful computing, we can prove results like if $displaystyle zetaBig(1+fraclmBig) in N $ then $l$ must be greater than some large positive integer but I don't see how this approach will solve the general problem.
Source code:
# Program with maximum n
from time import time
from mpmath import mp
start_time = time()
a = 1
a_end = 10^5
n_max = 2267
# Maximum n is at:', 4468, 1889, 2267
while(a < a_end + 1):
b = 1 + floor(0.372406215900714*a)
while(b <= floor((1 - euler_gamma)*a)):
if(gcd(b,a) == 1):
n = 2
found = 1
while (found == 1):
i = 1
r = 50
c_n = c_n1 = N((1 - euler_gamma), digits = 100)
while (i <= r):
c_n = N(n + c_n - zeta(1 + 1/(n - 1 + c_n)), digits = 10)
c_n1 = N(n + 1 + c_n1 - zeta(1 + 1/(n + 1 - 1 + c_n1)), digits = 10)
i = i + 1
test = N(b/a, digits = 100)
if(c_n < test):
if(test < c_n1):
found = found - 1
# print(b, a, n, c_n, b/a.n(), c_n1)
if (n > n_max):
n_max = n
print("Maximum n is at:", a, b, n_max)
b = b + 1
if(b > floor((1 - euler_gamma)*a)):
found = found - 1
else:
n = n + 1
n = n + 1
else:
n = n + 1
if(found == 1):
found = found - 1
print("Solutions may be found for", a, b/a, c_n, b/a.n(), c_n1)
b = b + 1
else:
b = b + 1
if(a%10^1 == 0):
print("Checked till", a, "Duration", floor(time() - start_time))
a = a + 1
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Can you resolve the problem for any other value of l, other than l=1?
For example, can you resolve the case l=2?
Yes and in fact I can show that $l ge 2.2*10^4$. Here is the outline of my approach which I am posting as an answer since it is too long to be a comment.
Step 1: The first step was to derive the following result
For every integer $n ge 2$ there exists a positive real $c_n$ such
that $displaystyle zetaBig(1+frac1n-1+c_nBig) = n. $
The first few terms of the asymptotic expansion of $c_n$ in terms of $n$ and the Stieltjes constants $gamma_i$ are
$$ c_n = 1-gamma_0 + fracgamma_1n-1
+ fracgamma_2 + gamma_1 - gamma_0 gamma_1(n-1)^2 + OBig(frac1n^3Big) $$
Step 2: I computed the first few values of $c_n$ but I did not use the above result. Instead I used the following recurrence formula.
Let $alpha_0$ be any positive real and $displaystyle alpha_r+1 = n +
alpha_r - zetaBig(1+frac1n -1 + alpha_rBig); $ then $displaystyle lim_r to inftyalpha_r = c_n$.
Using this we obtained
$$
c_2 approx 0.3724062
$$
$$
c_3 approx 0.3932265
$$
$$
ldots
$$
$$
c_12 approx 0.4164435
$$
Step 3: Show that $l ge 5$
Let $displaystyle zetaBig(1+fraclmBig) in N$ and let $m = lk+d$ where $gcd(l,d) = 1$ and $1 le d < l$.
Clearly, $c_2 le c_n < 1-gamma_0$ or $0.3724062 le c_n < 0.422785$.
Hence we must have $displaystyle 0.3724062 le fracdl < 0.422785$. The fraction with the smallest value of $l$ satisfying this condition is $displaystylefrac25 $ hence $l ge 5$.
Extending the same approach I am able to show that $l > 2.2*10^4$.
Problems with this approach:
With this approach and with powerful computing, we can prove results like if $displaystyle zetaBig(1+fraclmBig) in N $ then $l$ must be greater than some large positive integer but I don't see how this approach will solve the general problem.
Source code:
# Program with maximum n
from time import time
from mpmath import mp
start_time = time()
a = 1
a_end = 10^5
n_max = 2267
# Maximum n is at:', 4468, 1889, 2267
while(a < a_end + 1):
b = 1 + floor(0.372406215900714*a)
while(b <= floor((1 - euler_gamma)*a)):
if(gcd(b,a) == 1):
n = 2
found = 1
while (found == 1):
i = 1
r = 50
c_n = c_n1 = N((1 - euler_gamma), digits = 100)
while (i <= r):
c_n = N(n + c_n - zeta(1 + 1/(n - 1 + c_n)), digits = 10)
c_n1 = N(n + 1 + c_n1 - zeta(1 + 1/(n + 1 - 1 + c_n1)), digits = 10)
i = i + 1
test = N(b/a, digits = 100)
if(c_n < test):
if(test < c_n1):
found = found - 1
# print(b, a, n, c_n, b/a.n(), c_n1)
if (n > n_max):
n_max = n
print("Maximum n is at:", a, b, n_max)
b = b + 1
if(b > floor((1 - euler_gamma)*a)):
found = found - 1
else:
n = n + 1
n = n + 1
else:
n = n + 1
if(found == 1):
found = found - 1
print("Solutions may be found for", a, b/a, c_n, b/a.n(), c_n1)
b = b + 1
else:
b = b + 1
if(a%10^1 == 0):
print("Checked till", a, "Duration", floor(time() - start_time))
a = a + 1
edited Jan 9 at 5:24
answered Aug 20 '18 at 7:57
Nilotpal Kanti SinhaNilotpal Kanti Sinha
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Nice work! Seems like a lot of progress. Is this your own problem?
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– quasi
Aug 20 '18 at 9:37
4
$begingroup$
Thanks. Yes its my own problem that I worked way back in 2005 and then it got lost among other things. Revisiting it now after 13 years.
$endgroup$
– Nilotpal Kanti Sinha
Aug 20 '18 at 9:52
3
$begingroup$
This certainly seems worth publishing. Here is one possibility: tandfonline.com/loi/uexm20
$endgroup$
– marty cohen
Oct 4 '18 at 5:47
add a comment |
3
$begingroup$
Nice work! Seems like a lot of progress. Is this your own problem?
$endgroup$
– quasi
Aug 20 '18 at 9:37
4
$begingroup$
Thanks. Yes its my own problem that I worked way back in 2005 and then it got lost among other things. Revisiting it now after 13 years.
$endgroup$
– Nilotpal Kanti Sinha
Aug 20 '18 at 9:52
3
$begingroup$
This certainly seems worth publishing. Here is one possibility: tandfonline.com/loi/uexm20
$endgroup$
– marty cohen
Oct 4 '18 at 5:47
3
3
$begingroup$
Nice work! Seems like a lot of progress. Is this your own problem?
$endgroup$
– quasi
Aug 20 '18 at 9:37
$begingroup$
Nice work! Seems like a lot of progress. Is this your own problem?
$endgroup$
– quasi
Aug 20 '18 at 9:37
4
4
$begingroup$
Thanks. Yes its my own problem that I worked way back in 2005 and then it got lost among other things. Revisiting it now after 13 years.
$endgroup$
– Nilotpal Kanti Sinha
Aug 20 '18 at 9:52
$begingroup$
Thanks. Yes its my own problem that I worked way back in 2005 and then it got lost among other things. Revisiting it now after 13 years.
$endgroup$
– Nilotpal Kanti Sinha
Aug 20 '18 at 9:52
3
3
$begingroup$
This certainly seems worth publishing. Here is one possibility: tandfonline.com/loi/uexm20
$endgroup$
– marty cohen
Oct 4 '18 at 5:47
$begingroup$
This certainly seems worth publishing. Here is one possibility: tandfonline.com/loi/uexm20
$endgroup$
– marty cohen
Oct 4 '18 at 5:47
add a comment |
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Whilst not a solution, I thought it might be interesting to see What happens if we use the functional equation:
$$zetaleft(1+fracmnright)=2^left(1+fracmnright)pi^fracmnsinleft(fracpi2left(1+fracmnright)right)Gammaleft(-fracmnright)zetaleft(-fracmnright).$$
$zeta(s)$ is known to be rational at the negative integers,
$$zeta(-a)=(-1)^afracB_a+1a+1.$$
You actually get $zeta(-a)=0$ for $a$ even due to the trivial zeros.
But it appears that when you combine this with the functional equation, then in the limit, you get something non-zero and irrational, so that doesn't even give you an integer.
On the other hand if $m/n=2k-1$ is odd then we have
$$zetaleft(2kright)=frac(-1)^k+1B_2k(2pi)^2k2(2k)!,$$
by Euler's formula, which is "almost" rational except for the $pi$ factor. Bugger. So no chance of being integral.
If you modify your problem slightly, then using the above you can produce positive integers, but that's no fun.
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Whilst not a solution, I thought it might be interesting to see What happens if we use the functional equation:
$$zetaleft(1+fracmnright)=2^left(1+fracmnright)pi^fracmnsinleft(fracpi2left(1+fracmnright)right)Gammaleft(-fracmnright)zetaleft(-fracmnright).$$
$zeta(s)$ is known to be rational at the negative integers,
$$zeta(-a)=(-1)^afracB_a+1a+1.$$
You actually get $zeta(-a)=0$ for $a$ even due to the trivial zeros.
But it appears that when you combine this with the functional equation, then in the limit, you get something non-zero and irrational, so that doesn't even give you an integer.
On the other hand if $m/n=2k-1$ is odd then we have
$$zetaleft(2kright)=frac(-1)^k+1B_2k(2pi)^2k2(2k)!,$$
by Euler's formula, which is "almost" rational except for the $pi$ factor. Bugger. So no chance of being integral.
If you modify your problem slightly, then using the above you can produce positive integers, but that's no fun.
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Whilst not a solution, I thought it might be interesting to see What happens if we use the functional equation:
$$zetaleft(1+fracmnright)=2^left(1+fracmnright)pi^fracmnsinleft(fracpi2left(1+fracmnright)right)Gammaleft(-fracmnright)zetaleft(-fracmnright).$$
$zeta(s)$ is known to be rational at the negative integers,
$$zeta(-a)=(-1)^afracB_a+1a+1.$$
You actually get $zeta(-a)=0$ for $a$ even due to the trivial zeros.
But it appears that when you combine this with the functional equation, then in the limit, you get something non-zero and irrational, so that doesn't even give you an integer.
On the other hand if $m/n=2k-1$ is odd then we have
$$zetaleft(2kright)=frac(-1)^k+1B_2k(2pi)^2k2(2k)!,$$
by Euler's formula, which is "almost" rational except for the $pi$ factor. Bugger. So no chance of being integral.
If you modify your problem slightly, then using the above you can produce positive integers, but that's no fun.
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Whilst not a solution, I thought it might be interesting to see What happens if we use the functional equation:
$$zetaleft(1+fracmnright)=2^left(1+fracmnright)pi^fracmnsinleft(fracpi2left(1+fracmnright)right)Gammaleft(-fracmnright)zetaleft(-fracmnright).$$
$zeta(s)$ is known to be rational at the negative integers,
$$zeta(-a)=(-1)^afracB_a+1a+1.$$
You actually get $zeta(-a)=0$ for $a$ even due to the trivial zeros.
But it appears that when you combine this with the functional equation, then in the limit, you get something non-zero and irrational, so that doesn't even give you an integer.
On the other hand if $m/n=2k-1$ is odd then we have
$$zetaleft(2kright)=frac(-1)^k+1B_2k(2pi)^2k2(2k)!,$$
by Euler's formula, which is "almost" rational except for the $pi$ factor. Bugger. So no chance of being integral.
If you modify your problem slightly, then using the above you can produce positive integers, but that's no fun.
edited Feb 25 at 8:07
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I would expect that $zeta(r)$ is irrational for all rationals $r > 1$, but to prove this may be beyond the current state of the art. We don't even know that $zeta(5)$ is irrational.
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– Robert Israel
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If $zeta$ denotes the Riemann zeta function, please include it in your question.
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– Klangen
Aug 22 '18 at 13:07