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Does there exist positive rational $s$ for which $zeta(s)$ is a positive integer?



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Does there exist positive rational $s$ for which the Riemann Zeta function $zeta(s) in N$ or equivalently, does there exist finite positive integers $ell,m$ and $n$ such that $$zetaleft(1+dfracellmright) = n$$




My progress: Using the method described in my answer below, I am running a computer program, I have been able to show that if there is a solution then $l > 2.21times 10^4$.










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    I would expect that $zeta(r)$ is irrational for all rationals $r > 1$, but to prove this may be beyond the current state of the art. We don't even know that $zeta(5)$ is irrational.
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Does there exist positive rational $s$ for which the Riemann Zeta function $zeta(s) in N$ or equivalently, does there exist finite positive integers $ell,m$ and $n$ such that $$zetaleft(1+dfracellmright) = n$$




My progress: Using the method described in my answer below, I am running a computer program, I have been able to show that if there is a solution then $l > 2.21times 10^4$.










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    I would expect that $zeta(r)$ is irrational for all rationals $r > 1$, but to prove this may be beyond the current state of the art. We don't even know that $zeta(5)$ is irrational.
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Does there exist positive rational $s$ for which the Riemann Zeta function $zeta(s) in N$ or equivalently, does there exist finite positive integers $ell,m$ and $n$ such that $$zetaleft(1+dfracellmright) = n$$




My progress: Using the method described in my answer below, I am running a computer program, I have been able to show that if there is a solution then $l > 2.21times 10^4$.










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Does there exist positive rational $s$ for which the Riemann Zeta function $zeta(s) in N$ or equivalently, does there exist finite positive integers $ell,m$ and $n$ such that $$zetaleft(1+dfracellmright) = n$$




My progress: Using the method described in my answer below, I am running a computer program, I have been able to show that if there is a solution then $l > 2.21times 10^4$.







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    I would expect that $zeta(r)$ is irrational for all rationals $r > 1$, but to prove this may be beyond the current state of the art. We don't even know that $zeta(5)$ is irrational.
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I would expect that $zeta(r)$ is irrational for all rationals $r > 1$, but to prove this may be beyond the current state of the art. We don't even know that $zeta(5)$ is irrational.
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I misread $l$ as $1$, but in any case, as a partial result, here's a resolution for the case $l=1$.



Fix $sinmathbbR$, with $s > 1$.



On the interval $(0,infty)$, let
$f(x)=smalldisplaystylefrac1x^larges$.



It's easily verified that
$
displaystyle
int_1^infty !f(x),dx
=
smallfrac1s-1

$.



Consider the infinite series
$
displaystyle
sum_k=1^infty frac1k^s

$.



Since $f$ is positive, continuous, and strictly decreasing, we get
beginalign*
int_1^infty !f(x),dx < ;&sum_k=1^infty frac1k^s < 1+int_1^infty !f(x),dx\[4pt]
implies;smallfrac1s-1 < ;&sum_k=1^infty frac1k^s < 1+smallfrac1s-1\[4pt]
endalign*
If $m$ is a positive integer, then letting $s=1+largefrac1m$, we have $largefrac1s-1=m$, hence
beginalign*
smallfrac1s-1 < ;&sum_k=1^infty frac1k^s < ;1+smallfrac1s-1\[4pt]
implies;m < ;,&zetabigl(1+smallfrac1mbigr) < ;m + 1\[4pt]
endalign*
so $zetabigl(1+largefrac1mbigr)$ is not an integer.






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    Thanks. In fact I have a slightly stronger result can be one of the approach to tackle this problem. Using the Stieltjes series expansion of thte Riemann Zeta function we can show that for $l = 1$, the fractional part of $zeta(1+1/m)$ starts from $pi^2/2 - 1 = 0.6449341$ for $m = 1$ and strictly decreases with $m$ and approaches the limiting value of $1-gamma sim 0.422785$ where $gamma$ is the Euler-Mascheroni constant. Hence $pi^2/2 - 1 le (zeta(1+1/m)) le gamma$. I have been trying to see if this method can be generalized for the case $l > 1$.
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    Yes, I had that result, but it doesn't go anywhere for $l > 1$.
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    Can you resolve the problem for any other value of $l$, other than $l=1$? For example, can you resolve the case $l=2$?
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    Note that for positive integers $l,m$, the expression $1+l/m$ can take any rational value greater than $1$, so your question can be recast as asking if there exists a rational number $s > 1$ such that $zeta(s)$ is an integer. My sense (seconding Robert Israel's comment) is that an answer to that question is out of range of current knowledge.
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    I think that the case for integer should be easier than the case for deciding rationality. I will outline my approach below since it will be too long for a comment.
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Can you resolve the problem for any other value of l, other than l=1?
For example, can you resolve the case l=2?




Yes and in fact I can show that $l ge 2.2*10^4$. Here is the outline of my approach which I am posting as an answer since it is too long to be a comment.



Step 1: The first step was to derive the following result




For every integer $n ge 2$ there exists a positive real $c_n$ such
that $displaystyle zetaBig(1+frac1n-1+c_nBig) = n. $



The first few terms of the asymptotic expansion of $c_n$ in terms of $n$ and the Stieltjes constants $gamma_i$ are



$$ c_n = 1-gamma_0 + fracgamma_1n-1
+ fracgamma_2 + gamma_1 - gamma_0 gamma_1(n-1)^2 + OBig(frac1n^3Big) $$




Step 2: I computed the first few values of $c_n$ but I did not use the above result. Instead I used the following recurrence formula.




Let $alpha_0$ be any positive real and $displaystyle alpha_r+1 = n +
alpha_r - zetaBig(1+frac1n -1 + alpha_rBig); $
then $displaystyle lim_r to inftyalpha_r = c_n$.




Using this we obtained
$$
c_2 approx 0.3724062
$$

$$
c_3 approx 0.3932265
$$

$$
ldots
$$

$$
c_12 approx 0.4164435
$$



Step 3: Show that $l ge 5$



Let $displaystyle zetaBig(1+fraclmBig) in N$ and let $m = lk+d$ where $gcd(l,d) = 1$ and $1 le d < l$.



Clearly, $c_2 le c_n < 1-gamma_0$ or $0.3724062 le c_n < 0.422785$.
Hence we must have $displaystyle 0.3724062 le fracdl < 0.422785$. The fraction with the smallest value of $l$ satisfying this condition is $displaystylefrac25 $ hence $l ge 5$.



Extending the same approach I am able to show that $l > 2.2*10^4$.



Problems with this approach:



With this approach and with powerful computing, we can prove results like if $displaystyle zetaBig(1+fraclmBig) in N $ then $l$ must be greater than some large positive integer but I don't see how this approach will solve the general problem.



Source code:



# Program with maximum n
from time import time
from mpmath import mp

start_time = time()
a = 1
a_end = 10^5
n_max = 2267
# Maximum n is at:', 4468, 1889, 2267

while(a < a_end + 1):
b = 1 + floor(0.372406215900714*a)
while(b <= floor((1 - euler_gamma)*a)):
if(gcd(b,a) == 1):
n = 2
found = 1
while (found == 1):
i = 1
r = 50
c_n = c_n1 = N((1 - euler_gamma), digits = 100)
while (i <= r):
c_n = N(n + c_n - zeta(1 + 1/(n - 1 + c_n)), digits = 10)
c_n1 = N(n + 1 + c_n1 - zeta(1 + 1/(n + 1 - 1 + c_n1)), digits = 10)
i = i + 1
test = N(b/a, digits = 100)
if(c_n < test):
if(test < c_n1):
found = found - 1
# print(b, a, n, c_n, b/a.n(), c_n1)
if (n > n_max):
n_max = n
print("Maximum n is at:", a, b, n_max)
b = b + 1
if(b > floor((1 - euler_gamma)*a)):
found = found - 1
else:
n = n + 1
n = n + 1
else:
n = n + 1
if(found == 1):
found = found - 1
print("Solutions may be found for", a, b/a, c_n, b/a.n(), c_n1)
b = b + 1
else:
b = b + 1
if(a%10^1 == 0):
print("Checked till", a, "Duration", floor(time() - start_time))
a = a + 1





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    Nice work! Seems like a lot of progress. Is this your own problem?
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    Thanks. Yes its my own problem that I worked way back in 2005 and then it got lost among other things. Revisiting it now after 13 years.
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Whilst not a solution, I thought it might be interesting to see What happens if we use the functional equation:



$$zetaleft(1+fracmnright)=2^left(1+fracmnright)pi^fracmnsinleft(fracpi2left(1+fracmnright)right)Gammaleft(-fracmnright)zetaleft(-fracmnright).$$



$zeta(s)$ is known to be rational at the negative integers,



$$zeta(-a)=(-1)^afracB_a+1a+1.$$



You actually get $zeta(-a)=0$ for $a$ even due to the trivial zeros.



But it appears that when you combine this with the functional equation, then in the limit, you get something non-zero and irrational, so that doesn't even give you an integer.



On the other hand if $m/n=2k-1$ is odd then we have



$$zetaleft(2kright)=frac(-1)^k+1B_2k(2pi)^2k2(2k)!,$$



by Euler's formula, which is "almost" rational except for the $pi$ factor. Bugger. So no chance of being integral.



If you modify your problem slightly, then using the above you can produce positive integers, but that's no fun.






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    I misread $l$ as $1$, but in any case, as a partial result, here's a resolution for the case $l=1$.



    Fix $sinmathbbR$, with $s > 1$.



    On the interval $(0,infty)$, let
    $f(x)=smalldisplaystylefrac1x^larges$.



    It's easily verified that
    $
    displaystyle
    int_1^infty !f(x),dx
    =
    smallfrac1s-1

    $.



    Consider the infinite series
    $
    displaystyle
    sum_k=1^infty frac1k^s

    $.



    Since $f$ is positive, continuous, and strictly decreasing, we get
    beginalign*
    int_1^infty !f(x),dx < ;&sum_k=1^infty frac1k^s < 1+int_1^infty !f(x),dx\[4pt]
    implies;smallfrac1s-1 < ;&sum_k=1^infty frac1k^s < 1+smallfrac1s-1\[4pt]
    endalign*
    If $m$ is a positive integer, then letting $s=1+largefrac1m$, we have $largefrac1s-1=m$, hence
    beginalign*
    smallfrac1s-1 < ;&sum_k=1^infty frac1k^s < ;1+smallfrac1s-1\[4pt]
    implies;m < ;,&zetabigl(1+smallfrac1mbigr) < ;m + 1\[4pt]
    endalign*
    so $zetabigl(1+largefrac1mbigr)$ is not an integer.






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      Thanks. In fact I have a slightly stronger result can be one of the approach to tackle this problem. Using the Stieltjes series expansion of thte Riemann Zeta function we can show that for $l = 1$, the fractional part of $zeta(1+1/m)$ starts from $pi^2/2 - 1 = 0.6449341$ for $m = 1$ and strictly decreases with $m$ and approaches the limiting value of $1-gamma sim 0.422785$ where $gamma$ is the Euler-Mascheroni constant. Hence $pi^2/2 - 1 le (zeta(1+1/m)) le gamma$. I have been trying to see if this method can be generalized for the case $l > 1$.
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      Yes, I had that result, but it doesn't go anywhere for $l > 1$.
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      Can you resolve the problem for any other value of $l$, other than $l=1$? For example, can you resolve the case $l=2$?
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      Note that for positive integers $l,m$, the expression $1+l/m$ can take any rational value greater than $1$, so your question can be recast as asking if there exists a rational number $s > 1$ such that $zeta(s)$ is an integer. My sense (seconding Robert Israel's comment) is that an answer to that question is out of range of current knowledge.
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      I think that the case for integer should be easier than the case for deciding rationality. I will outline my approach below since it will be too long for a comment.
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    I misread $l$ as $1$, but in any case, as a partial result, here's a resolution for the case $l=1$.



    Fix $sinmathbbR$, with $s > 1$.



    On the interval $(0,infty)$, let
    $f(x)=smalldisplaystylefrac1x^larges$.



    It's easily verified that
    $
    displaystyle
    int_1^infty !f(x),dx
    =
    smallfrac1s-1

    $.



    Consider the infinite series
    $
    displaystyle
    sum_k=1^infty frac1k^s

    $.



    Since $f$ is positive, continuous, and strictly decreasing, we get
    beginalign*
    int_1^infty !f(x),dx < ;&sum_k=1^infty frac1k^s < 1+int_1^infty !f(x),dx\[4pt]
    implies;smallfrac1s-1 < ;&sum_k=1^infty frac1k^s < 1+smallfrac1s-1\[4pt]
    endalign*
    If $m$ is a positive integer, then letting $s=1+largefrac1m$, we have $largefrac1s-1=m$, hence
    beginalign*
    smallfrac1s-1 < ;&sum_k=1^infty frac1k^s < ;1+smallfrac1s-1\[4pt]
    implies;m < ;,&zetabigl(1+smallfrac1mbigr) < ;m + 1\[4pt]
    endalign*
    so $zetabigl(1+largefrac1mbigr)$ is not an integer.






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      Thanks. In fact I have a slightly stronger result can be one of the approach to tackle this problem. Using the Stieltjes series expansion of thte Riemann Zeta function we can show that for $l = 1$, the fractional part of $zeta(1+1/m)$ starts from $pi^2/2 - 1 = 0.6449341$ for $m = 1$ and strictly decreases with $m$ and approaches the limiting value of $1-gamma sim 0.422785$ where $gamma$ is the Euler-Mascheroni constant. Hence $pi^2/2 - 1 le (zeta(1+1/m)) le gamma$. I have been trying to see if this method can be generalized for the case $l > 1$.
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      Yes, I had that result, but it doesn't go anywhere for $l > 1$.
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      Aug 19 '18 at 11:02










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      Can you resolve the problem for any other value of $l$, other than $l=1$? For example, can you resolve the case $l=2$?
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      Aug 19 '18 at 11:04










    • $begingroup$
      Note that for positive integers $l,m$, the expression $1+l/m$ can take any rational value greater than $1$, so your question can be recast as asking if there exists a rational number $s > 1$ such that $zeta(s)$ is an integer. My sense (seconding Robert Israel's comment) is that an answer to that question is out of range of current knowledge.
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      Aug 19 '18 at 11:09











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      I think that the case for integer should be easier than the case for deciding rationality. I will outline my approach below since it will be too long for a comment.
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      Aug 20 '18 at 6:36













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    I misread $l$ as $1$, but in any case, as a partial result, here's a resolution for the case $l=1$.



    Fix $sinmathbbR$, with $s > 1$.



    On the interval $(0,infty)$, let
    $f(x)=smalldisplaystylefrac1x^larges$.



    It's easily verified that
    $
    displaystyle
    int_1^infty !f(x),dx
    =
    smallfrac1s-1

    $.



    Consider the infinite series
    $
    displaystyle
    sum_k=1^infty frac1k^s

    $.



    Since $f$ is positive, continuous, and strictly decreasing, we get
    beginalign*
    int_1^infty !f(x),dx < ;&sum_k=1^infty frac1k^s < 1+int_1^infty !f(x),dx\[4pt]
    implies;smallfrac1s-1 < ;&sum_k=1^infty frac1k^s < 1+smallfrac1s-1\[4pt]
    endalign*
    If $m$ is a positive integer, then letting $s=1+largefrac1m$, we have $largefrac1s-1=m$, hence
    beginalign*
    smallfrac1s-1 < ;&sum_k=1^infty frac1k^s < ;1+smallfrac1s-1\[4pt]
    implies;m < ;,&zetabigl(1+smallfrac1mbigr) < ;m + 1\[4pt]
    endalign*
    so $zetabigl(1+largefrac1mbigr)$ is not an integer.






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    I misread $l$ as $1$, but in any case, as a partial result, here's a resolution for the case $l=1$.



    Fix $sinmathbbR$, with $s > 1$.



    On the interval $(0,infty)$, let
    $f(x)=smalldisplaystylefrac1x^larges$.



    It's easily verified that
    $
    displaystyle
    int_1^infty !f(x),dx
    =
    smallfrac1s-1

    $.



    Consider the infinite series
    $
    displaystyle
    sum_k=1^infty frac1k^s

    $.



    Since $f$ is positive, continuous, and strictly decreasing, we get
    beginalign*
    int_1^infty !f(x),dx < ;&sum_k=1^infty frac1k^s < 1+int_1^infty !f(x),dx\[4pt]
    implies;smallfrac1s-1 < ;&sum_k=1^infty frac1k^s < 1+smallfrac1s-1\[4pt]
    endalign*
    If $m$ is a positive integer, then letting $s=1+largefrac1m$, we have $largefrac1s-1=m$, hence
    beginalign*
    smallfrac1s-1 < ;&sum_k=1^infty frac1k^s < ;1+smallfrac1s-1\[4pt]
    implies;m < ;,&zetabigl(1+smallfrac1mbigr) < ;m + 1\[4pt]
    endalign*
    so $zetabigl(1+largefrac1mbigr)$ is not an integer.







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    edited Aug 19 '18 at 8:57

























    answered Aug 19 '18 at 8:06









    quasiquasi

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    • 3




      $begingroup$
      Thanks. In fact I have a slightly stronger result can be one of the approach to tackle this problem. Using the Stieltjes series expansion of thte Riemann Zeta function we can show that for $l = 1$, the fractional part of $zeta(1+1/m)$ starts from $pi^2/2 - 1 = 0.6449341$ for $m = 1$ and strictly decreases with $m$ and approaches the limiting value of $1-gamma sim 0.422785$ where $gamma$ is the Euler-Mascheroni constant. Hence $pi^2/2 - 1 le (zeta(1+1/m)) le gamma$. I have been trying to see if this method can be generalized for the case $l > 1$.
      $endgroup$
      – Nilotpal Kanti Sinha
      Aug 19 '18 at 10:52











    • $begingroup$
      Yes, I had that result, but it doesn't go anywhere for $l > 1$.
      $endgroup$
      – quasi
      Aug 19 '18 at 11:02










    • $begingroup$
      Can you resolve the problem for any other value of $l$, other than $l=1$? For example, can you resolve the case $l=2$?
      $endgroup$
      – quasi
      Aug 19 '18 at 11:04










    • $begingroup$
      Note that for positive integers $l,m$, the expression $1+l/m$ can take any rational value greater than $1$, so your question can be recast as asking if there exists a rational number $s > 1$ such that $zeta(s)$ is an integer. My sense (seconding Robert Israel's comment) is that an answer to that question is out of range of current knowledge.
      $endgroup$
      – quasi
      Aug 19 '18 at 11:09











    • $begingroup$
      I think that the case for integer should be easier than the case for deciding rationality. I will outline my approach below since it will be too long for a comment.
      $endgroup$
      – Nilotpal Kanti Sinha
      Aug 20 '18 at 6:36












    • 3




      $begingroup$
      Thanks. In fact I have a slightly stronger result can be one of the approach to tackle this problem. Using the Stieltjes series expansion of thte Riemann Zeta function we can show that for $l = 1$, the fractional part of $zeta(1+1/m)$ starts from $pi^2/2 - 1 = 0.6449341$ for $m = 1$ and strictly decreases with $m$ and approaches the limiting value of $1-gamma sim 0.422785$ where $gamma$ is the Euler-Mascheroni constant. Hence $pi^2/2 - 1 le (zeta(1+1/m)) le gamma$. I have been trying to see if this method can be generalized for the case $l > 1$.
      $endgroup$
      – Nilotpal Kanti Sinha
      Aug 19 '18 at 10:52











    • $begingroup$
      Yes, I had that result, but it doesn't go anywhere for $l > 1$.
      $endgroup$
      – quasi
      Aug 19 '18 at 11:02










    • $begingroup$
      Can you resolve the problem for any other value of $l$, other than $l=1$? For example, can you resolve the case $l=2$?
      $endgroup$
      – quasi
      Aug 19 '18 at 11:04










    • $begingroup$
      Note that for positive integers $l,m$, the expression $1+l/m$ can take any rational value greater than $1$, so your question can be recast as asking if there exists a rational number $s > 1$ such that $zeta(s)$ is an integer. My sense (seconding Robert Israel's comment) is that an answer to that question is out of range of current knowledge.
      $endgroup$
      – quasi
      Aug 19 '18 at 11:09











    • $begingroup$
      I think that the case for integer should be easier than the case for deciding rationality. I will outline my approach below since it will be too long for a comment.
      $endgroup$
      – Nilotpal Kanti Sinha
      Aug 20 '18 at 6:36







    3




    3




    $begingroup$
    Thanks. In fact I have a slightly stronger result can be one of the approach to tackle this problem. Using the Stieltjes series expansion of thte Riemann Zeta function we can show that for $l = 1$, the fractional part of $zeta(1+1/m)$ starts from $pi^2/2 - 1 = 0.6449341$ for $m = 1$ and strictly decreases with $m$ and approaches the limiting value of $1-gamma sim 0.422785$ where $gamma$ is the Euler-Mascheroni constant. Hence $pi^2/2 - 1 le (zeta(1+1/m)) le gamma$. I have been trying to see if this method can be generalized for the case $l > 1$.
    $endgroup$
    – Nilotpal Kanti Sinha
    Aug 19 '18 at 10:52





    $begingroup$
    Thanks. In fact I have a slightly stronger result can be one of the approach to tackle this problem. Using the Stieltjes series expansion of thte Riemann Zeta function we can show that for $l = 1$, the fractional part of $zeta(1+1/m)$ starts from $pi^2/2 - 1 = 0.6449341$ for $m = 1$ and strictly decreases with $m$ and approaches the limiting value of $1-gamma sim 0.422785$ where $gamma$ is the Euler-Mascheroni constant. Hence $pi^2/2 - 1 le (zeta(1+1/m)) le gamma$. I have been trying to see if this method can be generalized for the case $l > 1$.
    $endgroup$
    – Nilotpal Kanti Sinha
    Aug 19 '18 at 10:52













    $begingroup$
    Yes, I had that result, but it doesn't go anywhere for $l > 1$.
    $endgroup$
    – quasi
    Aug 19 '18 at 11:02




    $begingroup$
    Yes, I had that result, but it doesn't go anywhere for $l > 1$.
    $endgroup$
    – quasi
    Aug 19 '18 at 11:02












    $begingroup$
    Can you resolve the problem for any other value of $l$, other than $l=1$? For example, can you resolve the case $l=2$?
    $endgroup$
    – quasi
    Aug 19 '18 at 11:04




    $begingroup$
    Can you resolve the problem for any other value of $l$, other than $l=1$? For example, can you resolve the case $l=2$?
    $endgroup$
    – quasi
    Aug 19 '18 at 11:04












    $begingroup$
    Note that for positive integers $l,m$, the expression $1+l/m$ can take any rational value greater than $1$, so your question can be recast as asking if there exists a rational number $s > 1$ such that $zeta(s)$ is an integer. My sense (seconding Robert Israel's comment) is that an answer to that question is out of range of current knowledge.
    $endgroup$
    – quasi
    Aug 19 '18 at 11:09





    $begingroup$
    Note that for positive integers $l,m$, the expression $1+l/m$ can take any rational value greater than $1$, so your question can be recast as asking if there exists a rational number $s > 1$ such that $zeta(s)$ is an integer. My sense (seconding Robert Israel's comment) is that an answer to that question is out of range of current knowledge.
    $endgroup$
    – quasi
    Aug 19 '18 at 11:09













    $begingroup$
    I think that the case for integer should be easier than the case for deciding rationality. I will outline my approach below since it will be too long for a comment.
    $endgroup$
    – Nilotpal Kanti Sinha
    Aug 20 '18 at 6:36




    $begingroup$
    I think that the case for integer should be easier than the case for deciding rationality. I will outline my approach below since it will be too long for a comment.
    $endgroup$
    – Nilotpal Kanti Sinha
    Aug 20 '18 at 6:36











    15












    $begingroup$


    Can you resolve the problem for any other value of l, other than l=1?
    For example, can you resolve the case l=2?




    Yes and in fact I can show that $l ge 2.2*10^4$. Here is the outline of my approach which I am posting as an answer since it is too long to be a comment.



    Step 1: The first step was to derive the following result




    For every integer $n ge 2$ there exists a positive real $c_n$ such
    that $displaystyle zetaBig(1+frac1n-1+c_nBig) = n. $



    The first few terms of the asymptotic expansion of $c_n$ in terms of $n$ and the Stieltjes constants $gamma_i$ are



    $$ c_n = 1-gamma_0 + fracgamma_1n-1
    + fracgamma_2 + gamma_1 - gamma_0 gamma_1(n-1)^2 + OBig(frac1n^3Big) $$




    Step 2: I computed the first few values of $c_n$ but I did not use the above result. Instead I used the following recurrence formula.




    Let $alpha_0$ be any positive real and $displaystyle alpha_r+1 = n +
    alpha_r - zetaBig(1+frac1n -1 + alpha_rBig); $
    then $displaystyle lim_r to inftyalpha_r = c_n$.




    Using this we obtained
    $$
    c_2 approx 0.3724062
    $$

    $$
    c_3 approx 0.3932265
    $$

    $$
    ldots
    $$

    $$
    c_12 approx 0.4164435
    $$



    Step 3: Show that $l ge 5$



    Let $displaystyle zetaBig(1+fraclmBig) in N$ and let $m = lk+d$ where $gcd(l,d) = 1$ and $1 le d < l$.



    Clearly, $c_2 le c_n < 1-gamma_0$ or $0.3724062 le c_n < 0.422785$.
    Hence we must have $displaystyle 0.3724062 le fracdl < 0.422785$. The fraction with the smallest value of $l$ satisfying this condition is $displaystylefrac25 $ hence $l ge 5$.



    Extending the same approach I am able to show that $l > 2.2*10^4$.



    Problems with this approach:



    With this approach and with powerful computing, we can prove results like if $displaystyle zetaBig(1+fraclmBig) in N $ then $l$ must be greater than some large positive integer but I don't see how this approach will solve the general problem.



    Source code:



    # Program with maximum n
    from time import time
    from mpmath import mp

    start_time = time()
    a = 1
    a_end = 10^5
    n_max = 2267
    # Maximum n is at:', 4468, 1889, 2267

    while(a < a_end + 1):
    b = 1 + floor(0.372406215900714*a)
    while(b <= floor((1 - euler_gamma)*a)):
    if(gcd(b,a) == 1):
    n = 2
    found = 1
    while (found == 1):
    i = 1
    r = 50
    c_n = c_n1 = N((1 - euler_gamma), digits = 100)
    while (i <= r):
    c_n = N(n + c_n - zeta(1 + 1/(n - 1 + c_n)), digits = 10)
    c_n1 = N(n + 1 + c_n1 - zeta(1 + 1/(n + 1 - 1 + c_n1)), digits = 10)
    i = i + 1
    test = N(b/a, digits = 100)
    if(c_n < test):
    if(test < c_n1):
    found = found - 1
    # print(b, a, n, c_n, b/a.n(), c_n1)
    if (n > n_max):
    n_max = n
    print("Maximum n is at:", a, b, n_max)
    b = b + 1
    if(b > floor((1 - euler_gamma)*a)):
    found = found - 1
    else:
    n = n + 1
    n = n + 1
    else:
    n = n + 1
    if(found == 1):
    found = found - 1
    print("Solutions may be found for", a, b/a, c_n, b/a.n(), c_n1)
    b = b + 1
    else:
    b = b + 1
    if(a%10^1 == 0):
    print("Checked till", a, "Duration", floor(time() - start_time))
    a = a + 1





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    • 3




      $begingroup$
      Nice work! Seems like a lot of progress. Is this your own problem?
      $endgroup$
      – quasi
      Aug 20 '18 at 9:37






    • 4




      $begingroup$
      Thanks. Yes its my own problem that I worked way back in 2005 and then it got lost among other things. Revisiting it now after 13 years.
      $endgroup$
      – Nilotpal Kanti Sinha
      Aug 20 '18 at 9:52







    • 3




      $begingroup$
      This certainly seems worth publishing. Here is one possibility: tandfonline.com/loi/uexm20
      $endgroup$
      – marty cohen
      Oct 4 '18 at 5:47















    15












    $begingroup$


    Can you resolve the problem for any other value of l, other than l=1?
    For example, can you resolve the case l=2?




    Yes and in fact I can show that $l ge 2.2*10^4$. Here is the outline of my approach which I am posting as an answer since it is too long to be a comment.



    Step 1: The first step was to derive the following result




    For every integer $n ge 2$ there exists a positive real $c_n$ such
    that $displaystyle zetaBig(1+frac1n-1+c_nBig) = n. $



    The first few terms of the asymptotic expansion of $c_n$ in terms of $n$ and the Stieltjes constants $gamma_i$ are



    $$ c_n = 1-gamma_0 + fracgamma_1n-1
    + fracgamma_2 + gamma_1 - gamma_0 gamma_1(n-1)^2 + OBig(frac1n^3Big) $$




    Step 2: I computed the first few values of $c_n$ but I did not use the above result. Instead I used the following recurrence formula.




    Let $alpha_0$ be any positive real and $displaystyle alpha_r+1 = n +
    alpha_r - zetaBig(1+frac1n -1 + alpha_rBig); $
    then $displaystyle lim_r to inftyalpha_r = c_n$.




    Using this we obtained
    $$
    c_2 approx 0.3724062
    $$

    $$
    c_3 approx 0.3932265
    $$

    $$
    ldots
    $$

    $$
    c_12 approx 0.4164435
    $$



    Step 3: Show that $l ge 5$



    Let $displaystyle zetaBig(1+fraclmBig) in N$ and let $m = lk+d$ where $gcd(l,d) = 1$ and $1 le d < l$.



    Clearly, $c_2 le c_n < 1-gamma_0$ or $0.3724062 le c_n < 0.422785$.
    Hence we must have $displaystyle 0.3724062 le fracdl < 0.422785$. The fraction with the smallest value of $l$ satisfying this condition is $displaystylefrac25 $ hence $l ge 5$.



    Extending the same approach I am able to show that $l > 2.2*10^4$.



    Problems with this approach:



    With this approach and with powerful computing, we can prove results like if $displaystyle zetaBig(1+fraclmBig) in N $ then $l$ must be greater than some large positive integer but I don't see how this approach will solve the general problem.



    Source code:



    # Program with maximum n
    from time import time
    from mpmath import mp

    start_time = time()
    a = 1
    a_end = 10^5
    n_max = 2267
    # Maximum n is at:', 4468, 1889, 2267

    while(a < a_end + 1):
    b = 1 + floor(0.372406215900714*a)
    while(b <= floor((1 - euler_gamma)*a)):
    if(gcd(b,a) == 1):
    n = 2
    found = 1
    while (found == 1):
    i = 1
    r = 50
    c_n = c_n1 = N((1 - euler_gamma), digits = 100)
    while (i <= r):
    c_n = N(n + c_n - zeta(1 + 1/(n - 1 + c_n)), digits = 10)
    c_n1 = N(n + 1 + c_n1 - zeta(1 + 1/(n + 1 - 1 + c_n1)), digits = 10)
    i = i + 1
    test = N(b/a, digits = 100)
    if(c_n < test):
    if(test < c_n1):
    found = found - 1
    # print(b, a, n, c_n, b/a.n(), c_n1)
    if (n > n_max):
    n_max = n
    print("Maximum n is at:", a, b, n_max)
    b = b + 1
    if(b > floor((1 - euler_gamma)*a)):
    found = found - 1
    else:
    n = n + 1
    n = n + 1
    else:
    n = n + 1
    if(found == 1):
    found = found - 1
    print("Solutions may be found for", a, b/a, c_n, b/a.n(), c_n1)
    b = b + 1
    else:
    b = b + 1
    if(a%10^1 == 0):
    print("Checked till", a, "Duration", floor(time() - start_time))
    a = a + 1





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    • 3




      $begingroup$
      Nice work! Seems like a lot of progress. Is this your own problem?
      $endgroup$
      – quasi
      Aug 20 '18 at 9:37






    • 4




      $begingroup$
      Thanks. Yes its my own problem that I worked way back in 2005 and then it got lost among other things. Revisiting it now after 13 years.
      $endgroup$
      – Nilotpal Kanti Sinha
      Aug 20 '18 at 9:52







    • 3




      $begingroup$
      This certainly seems worth publishing. Here is one possibility: tandfonline.com/loi/uexm20
      $endgroup$
      – marty cohen
      Oct 4 '18 at 5:47













    15












    15








    15





    $begingroup$


    Can you resolve the problem for any other value of l, other than l=1?
    For example, can you resolve the case l=2?




    Yes and in fact I can show that $l ge 2.2*10^4$. Here is the outline of my approach which I am posting as an answer since it is too long to be a comment.



    Step 1: The first step was to derive the following result




    For every integer $n ge 2$ there exists a positive real $c_n$ such
    that $displaystyle zetaBig(1+frac1n-1+c_nBig) = n. $



    The first few terms of the asymptotic expansion of $c_n$ in terms of $n$ and the Stieltjes constants $gamma_i$ are



    $$ c_n = 1-gamma_0 + fracgamma_1n-1
    + fracgamma_2 + gamma_1 - gamma_0 gamma_1(n-1)^2 + OBig(frac1n^3Big) $$




    Step 2: I computed the first few values of $c_n$ but I did not use the above result. Instead I used the following recurrence formula.




    Let $alpha_0$ be any positive real and $displaystyle alpha_r+1 = n +
    alpha_r - zetaBig(1+frac1n -1 + alpha_rBig); $
    then $displaystyle lim_r to inftyalpha_r = c_n$.




    Using this we obtained
    $$
    c_2 approx 0.3724062
    $$

    $$
    c_3 approx 0.3932265
    $$

    $$
    ldots
    $$

    $$
    c_12 approx 0.4164435
    $$



    Step 3: Show that $l ge 5$



    Let $displaystyle zetaBig(1+fraclmBig) in N$ and let $m = lk+d$ where $gcd(l,d) = 1$ and $1 le d < l$.



    Clearly, $c_2 le c_n < 1-gamma_0$ or $0.3724062 le c_n < 0.422785$.
    Hence we must have $displaystyle 0.3724062 le fracdl < 0.422785$. The fraction with the smallest value of $l$ satisfying this condition is $displaystylefrac25 $ hence $l ge 5$.



    Extending the same approach I am able to show that $l > 2.2*10^4$.



    Problems with this approach:



    With this approach and with powerful computing, we can prove results like if $displaystyle zetaBig(1+fraclmBig) in N $ then $l$ must be greater than some large positive integer but I don't see how this approach will solve the general problem.



    Source code:



    # Program with maximum n
    from time import time
    from mpmath import mp

    start_time = time()
    a = 1
    a_end = 10^5
    n_max = 2267
    # Maximum n is at:', 4468, 1889, 2267

    while(a < a_end + 1):
    b = 1 + floor(0.372406215900714*a)
    while(b <= floor((1 - euler_gamma)*a)):
    if(gcd(b,a) == 1):
    n = 2
    found = 1
    while (found == 1):
    i = 1
    r = 50
    c_n = c_n1 = N((1 - euler_gamma), digits = 100)
    while (i <= r):
    c_n = N(n + c_n - zeta(1 + 1/(n - 1 + c_n)), digits = 10)
    c_n1 = N(n + 1 + c_n1 - zeta(1 + 1/(n + 1 - 1 + c_n1)), digits = 10)
    i = i + 1
    test = N(b/a, digits = 100)
    if(c_n < test):
    if(test < c_n1):
    found = found - 1
    # print(b, a, n, c_n, b/a.n(), c_n1)
    if (n > n_max):
    n_max = n
    print("Maximum n is at:", a, b, n_max)
    b = b + 1
    if(b > floor((1 - euler_gamma)*a)):
    found = found - 1
    else:
    n = n + 1
    n = n + 1
    else:
    n = n + 1
    if(found == 1):
    found = found - 1
    print("Solutions may be found for", a, b/a, c_n, b/a.n(), c_n1)
    b = b + 1
    else:
    b = b + 1
    if(a%10^1 == 0):
    print("Checked till", a, "Duration", floor(time() - start_time))
    a = a + 1





    share|cite|improve this answer











    $endgroup$




    Can you resolve the problem for any other value of l, other than l=1?
    For example, can you resolve the case l=2?




    Yes and in fact I can show that $l ge 2.2*10^4$. Here is the outline of my approach which I am posting as an answer since it is too long to be a comment.



    Step 1: The first step was to derive the following result




    For every integer $n ge 2$ there exists a positive real $c_n$ such
    that $displaystyle zetaBig(1+frac1n-1+c_nBig) = n. $



    The first few terms of the asymptotic expansion of $c_n$ in terms of $n$ and the Stieltjes constants $gamma_i$ are



    $$ c_n = 1-gamma_0 + fracgamma_1n-1
    + fracgamma_2 + gamma_1 - gamma_0 gamma_1(n-1)^2 + OBig(frac1n^3Big) $$




    Step 2: I computed the first few values of $c_n$ but I did not use the above result. Instead I used the following recurrence formula.




    Let $alpha_0$ be any positive real and $displaystyle alpha_r+1 = n +
    alpha_r - zetaBig(1+frac1n -1 + alpha_rBig); $
    then $displaystyle lim_r to inftyalpha_r = c_n$.




    Using this we obtained
    $$
    c_2 approx 0.3724062
    $$

    $$
    c_3 approx 0.3932265
    $$

    $$
    ldots
    $$

    $$
    c_12 approx 0.4164435
    $$



    Step 3: Show that $l ge 5$



    Let $displaystyle zetaBig(1+fraclmBig) in N$ and let $m = lk+d$ where $gcd(l,d) = 1$ and $1 le d < l$.



    Clearly, $c_2 le c_n < 1-gamma_0$ or $0.3724062 le c_n < 0.422785$.
    Hence we must have $displaystyle 0.3724062 le fracdl < 0.422785$. The fraction with the smallest value of $l$ satisfying this condition is $displaystylefrac25 $ hence $l ge 5$.



    Extending the same approach I am able to show that $l > 2.2*10^4$.



    Problems with this approach:



    With this approach and with powerful computing, we can prove results like if $displaystyle zetaBig(1+fraclmBig) in N $ then $l$ must be greater than some large positive integer but I don't see how this approach will solve the general problem.



    Source code:



    # Program with maximum n
    from time import time
    from mpmath import mp

    start_time = time()
    a = 1
    a_end = 10^5
    n_max = 2267
    # Maximum n is at:', 4468, 1889, 2267

    while(a < a_end + 1):
    b = 1 + floor(0.372406215900714*a)
    while(b <= floor((1 - euler_gamma)*a)):
    if(gcd(b,a) == 1):
    n = 2
    found = 1
    while (found == 1):
    i = 1
    r = 50
    c_n = c_n1 = N((1 - euler_gamma), digits = 100)
    while (i <= r):
    c_n = N(n + c_n - zeta(1 + 1/(n - 1 + c_n)), digits = 10)
    c_n1 = N(n + 1 + c_n1 - zeta(1 + 1/(n + 1 - 1 + c_n1)), digits = 10)
    i = i + 1
    test = N(b/a, digits = 100)
    if(c_n < test):
    if(test < c_n1):
    found = found - 1
    # print(b, a, n, c_n, b/a.n(), c_n1)
    if (n > n_max):
    n_max = n
    print("Maximum n is at:", a, b, n_max)
    b = b + 1
    if(b > floor((1 - euler_gamma)*a)):
    found = found - 1
    else:
    n = n + 1
    n = n + 1
    else:
    n = n + 1
    if(found == 1):
    found = found - 1
    print("Solutions may be found for", a, b/a, c_n, b/a.n(), c_n1)
    b = b + 1
    else:
    b = b + 1
    if(a%10^1 == 0):
    print("Checked till", a, "Duration", floor(time() - start_time))
    a = a + 1






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      $begingroup$
      Nice work! Seems like a lot of progress. Is this your own problem?
      $endgroup$
      – quasi
      Aug 20 '18 at 9:37






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      $begingroup$
      Thanks. Yes its my own problem that I worked way back in 2005 and then it got lost among other things. Revisiting it now after 13 years.
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      $begingroup$
      This certainly seems worth publishing. Here is one possibility: tandfonline.com/loi/uexm20
      $endgroup$
      – marty cohen
      Oct 4 '18 at 5:47












    • 3




      $begingroup$
      Nice work! Seems like a lot of progress. Is this your own problem?
      $endgroup$
      – quasi
      Aug 20 '18 at 9:37






    • 4




      $begingroup$
      Thanks. Yes its my own problem that I worked way back in 2005 and then it got lost among other things. Revisiting it now after 13 years.
      $endgroup$
      – Nilotpal Kanti Sinha
      Aug 20 '18 at 9:52







    • 3




      $begingroup$
      This certainly seems worth publishing. Here is one possibility: tandfonline.com/loi/uexm20
      $endgroup$
      – marty cohen
      Oct 4 '18 at 5:47







    3




    3




    $begingroup$
    Nice work! Seems like a lot of progress. Is this your own problem?
    $endgroup$
    – quasi
    Aug 20 '18 at 9:37




    $begingroup$
    Nice work! Seems like a lot of progress. Is this your own problem?
    $endgroup$
    – quasi
    Aug 20 '18 at 9:37




    4




    4




    $begingroup$
    Thanks. Yes its my own problem that I worked way back in 2005 and then it got lost among other things. Revisiting it now after 13 years.
    $endgroup$
    – Nilotpal Kanti Sinha
    Aug 20 '18 at 9:52





    $begingroup$
    Thanks. Yes its my own problem that I worked way back in 2005 and then it got lost among other things. Revisiting it now after 13 years.
    $endgroup$
    – Nilotpal Kanti Sinha
    Aug 20 '18 at 9:52





    3




    3




    $begingroup$
    This certainly seems worth publishing. Here is one possibility: tandfonline.com/loi/uexm20
    $endgroup$
    – marty cohen
    Oct 4 '18 at 5:47




    $begingroup$
    This certainly seems worth publishing. Here is one possibility: tandfonline.com/loi/uexm20
    $endgroup$
    – marty cohen
    Oct 4 '18 at 5:47











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    Whilst not a solution, I thought it might be interesting to see What happens if we use the functional equation:



    $$zetaleft(1+fracmnright)=2^left(1+fracmnright)pi^fracmnsinleft(fracpi2left(1+fracmnright)right)Gammaleft(-fracmnright)zetaleft(-fracmnright).$$



    $zeta(s)$ is known to be rational at the negative integers,



    $$zeta(-a)=(-1)^afracB_a+1a+1.$$



    You actually get $zeta(-a)=0$ for $a$ even due to the trivial zeros.



    But it appears that when you combine this with the functional equation, then in the limit, you get something non-zero and irrational, so that doesn't even give you an integer.



    On the other hand if $m/n=2k-1$ is odd then we have



    $$zetaleft(2kright)=frac(-1)^k+1B_2k(2pi)^2k2(2k)!,$$



    by Euler's formula, which is "almost" rational except for the $pi$ factor. Bugger. So no chance of being integral.



    If you modify your problem slightly, then using the above you can produce positive integers, but that's no fun.






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      3












      $begingroup$

      Whilst not a solution, I thought it might be interesting to see What happens if we use the functional equation:



      $$zetaleft(1+fracmnright)=2^left(1+fracmnright)pi^fracmnsinleft(fracpi2left(1+fracmnright)right)Gammaleft(-fracmnright)zetaleft(-fracmnright).$$



      $zeta(s)$ is known to be rational at the negative integers,



      $$zeta(-a)=(-1)^afracB_a+1a+1.$$



      You actually get $zeta(-a)=0$ for $a$ even due to the trivial zeros.



      But it appears that when you combine this with the functional equation, then in the limit, you get something non-zero and irrational, so that doesn't even give you an integer.



      On the other hand if $m/n=2k-1$ is odd then we have



      $$zetaleft(2kright)=frac(-1)^k+1B_2k(2pi)^2k2(2k)!,$$



      by Euler's formula, which is "almost" rational except for the $pi$ factor. Bugger. So no chance of being integral.



      If you modify your problem slightly, then using the above you can produce positive integers, but that's no fun.






      share|cite|improve this answer











      $endgroup$















        3












        3








        3





        $begingroup$

        Whilst not a solution, I thought it might be interesting to see What happens if we use the functional equation:



        $$zetaleft(1+fracmnright)=2^left(1+fracmnright)pi^fracmnsinleft(fracpi2left(1+fracmnright)right)Gammaleft(-fracmnright)zetaleft(-fracmnright).$$



        $zeta(s)$ is known to be rational at the negative integers,



        $$zeta(-a)=(-1)^afracB_a+1a+1.$$



        You actually get $zeta(-a)=0$ for $a$ even due to the trivial zeros.



        But it appears that when you combine this with the functional equation, then in the limit, you get something non-zero and irrational, so that doesn't even give you an integer.



        On the other hand if $m/n=2k-1$ is odd then we have



        $$zetaleft(2kright)=frac(-1)^k+1B_2k(2pi)^2k2(2k)!,$$



        by Euler's formula, which is "almost" rational except for the $pi$ factor. Bugger. So no chance of being integral.



        If you modify your problem slightly, then using the above you can produce positive integers, but that's no fun.






        share|cite|improve this answer











        $endgroup$



        Whilst not a solution, I thought it might be interesting to see What happens if we use the functional equation:



        $$zetaleft(1+fracmnright)=2^left(1+fracmnright)pi^fracmnsinleft(fracpi2left(1+fracmnright)right)Gammaleft(-fracmnright)zetaleft(-fracmnright).$$



        $zeta(s)$ is known to be rational at the negative integers,



        $$zeta(-a)=(-1)^afracB_a+1a+1.$$



        You actually get $zeta(-a)=0$ for $a$ even due to the trivial zeros.



        But it appears that when you combine this with the functional equation, then in the limit, you get something non-zero and irrational, so that doesn't even give you an integer.



        On the other hand if $m/n=2k-1$ is odd then we have



        $$zetaleft(2kright)=frac(-1)^k+1B_2k(2pi)^2k2(2k)!,$$



        by Euler's formula, which is "almost" rational except for the $pi$ factor. Bugger. So no chance of being integral.



        If you modify your problem slightly, then using the above you can produce positive integers, but that's no fun.







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