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Fewest number of marbles in a bag such that drawing the probability of drawing 2 blue marbles is $frac16$.


What is the probability of drawing 2 same colored marbles?Probability of drawing colored MarblesProbability that no two of the marbles drawn have the same color?Drawing marbles from a bagWhat was the number of blue marbles in the bag before any changes were made?A bag contains contains 20 blue marbles, 20 green marbles, and 20 red marblesProbability of choosing two marbles of the same color?Probability: Number of marbles in bag if equal probability of drawing same and different color balls.when some marbles are NOT colored, what's the probability of picking one of each of colored marbles' colors?probability - a bag contains 10 blue marbles













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Two marbles are randomly selected without replacement from a bag
containing blue and green marbles. Probability of drawing both blue is
$frac16$. If three marbles are drawn, then the probability all
three are blue is $frac121$. What is the fewest number of marbles
that must have been in the bag before any were drawn?




I use the criteria to make two equations:
$$fracxycdotfracx-1y-1=frac16$$
for drawing 2 marbles$$fracxycdotfracx-1y-1cdotfracx-2y-2=frac121$$
Where $x$ is the number of blue marbles and $y$ is the total number of marbles.



Simplifying these equations gives:
$$6x^2-6x=y^2-y$$ for the first equation and $$21x^3-63x^2+42x=y^3-3y^2+2y$$



I can't seem to solve this set of equations.



Is my approach correct? If so, how should I continue? If not, how would one solve this problem?



Thanks! Your help is appreciated!



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    Two marbles are randomly selected without replacement from a bag
    containing blue and green marbles. Probability of drawing both blue is
    $frac16$. If three marbles are drawn, then the probability all
    three are blue is $frac121$. What is the fewest number of marbles
    that must have been in the bag before any were drawn?




    I use the criteria to make two equations:
    $$fracxycdotfracx-1y-1=frac16$$
    for drawing 2 marbles$$fracxycdotfracx-1y-1cdotfracx-2y-2=frac121$$
    Where $x$ is the number of blue marbles and $y$ is the total number of marbles.



    Simplifying these equations gives:
    $$6x^2-6x=y^2-y$$ for the first equation and $$21x^3-63x^2+42x=y^3-3y^2+2y$$



    I can't seem to solve this set of equations.



    Is my approach correct? If so, how should I continue? If not, how would one solve this problem?



    Thanks! Your help is appreciated!



    Max0815










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      Two marbles are randomly selected without replacement from a bag
      containing blue and green marbles. Probability of drawing both blue is
      $frac16$. If three marbles are drawn, then the probability all
      three are blue is $frac121$. What is the fewest number of marbles
      that must have been in the bag before any were drawn?




      I use the criteria to make two equations:
      $$fracxycdotfracx-1y-1=frac16$$
      for drawing 2 marbles$$fracxycdotfracx-1y-1cdotfracx-2y-2=frac121$$
      Where $x$ is the number of blue marbles and $y$ is the total number of marbles.



      Simplifying these equations gives:
      $$6x^2-6x=y^2-y$$ for the first equation and $$21x^3-63x^2+42x=y^3-3y^2+2y$$



      I can't seem to solve this set of equations.



      Is my approach correct? If so, how should I continue? If not, how would one solve this problem?



      Thanks! Your help is appreciated!



      Max0815










      share|cite|improve this question











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      Two marbles are randomly selected without replacement from a bag
      containing blue and green marbles. Probability of drawing both blue is
      $frac16$. If three marbles are drawn, then the probability all
      three are blue is $frac121$. What is the fewest number of marbles
      that must have been in the bag before any were drawn?




      I use the criteria to make two equations:
      $$fracxycdotfracx-1y-1=frac16$$
      for drawing 2 marbles$$fracxycdotfracx-1y-1cdotfracx-2y-2=frac121$$
      Where $x$ is the number of blue marbles and $y$ is the total number of marbles.



      Simplifying these equations gives:
      $$6x^2-6x=y^2-y$$ for the first equation and $$21x^3-63x^2+42x=y^3-3y^2+2y$$



      I can't seem to solve this set of equations.



      Is my approach correct? If so, how should I continue? If not, how would one solve this problem?



      Thanks! Your help is appreciated!



      Max0815







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          Let's look at the second equation:



          $$underbracedfracxycdot dfracx-1y-1_dfrac16cdot dfracx-2y-2 = dfrac121$$



          The first two terms are the same as the LHS of your first equation. So, we can substitute.



          $$dfracx-2y-2 = dfrac621$$



          Reducing the RHS to lowest terms gives:



          $$dfracx-2y-2 = dfrac27$$



          There you have $x-2=2, y-2=7$



          So, $x=4, y=9$ should be the smallest possible values for which the problem should hold true (if there were smaller values, it would contradict $dfrac27$ being in lowest terms).






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          Divide the second equation by the first:



          $$fracx-2y-2 = frac621 = frac27$$



          Which when simplified gives:



          $$7x = 2y + 10$$



          What are the smallest integer values of x and y that solve this equation? Well, observe that a possible solution is $x = 2, y = 2$, but this is clearly wrong since $x = y$ in this case. Since $x$ cannot be odd, we go on to the next number, which is 4. Luckily, we can observe that a solution will be given by: $$x = 4, y = 9$$



          which happens to be the correct answer.






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            As Sean Lee and InterstellarProbe note, dividing the second equation by the first leaves



            $$x-2over y-2=6over21=2over7$$



            It follows that $x-2=2k$ and $y-2=7k$ for some $knot=0$. Plugging $x=2k+2$ and $y=7k+2$ into $6x^2-6x=y^2-y$, we have



            $$6(2k+2)^2-6(2k+2)=(7k+2)^2-(7k+2)$$



            which expands and simplifies initially to



            $$24k^2+36k+12=49k^2+21k+2$$



            and then to



            $$25k^2-15k-10=5(5k+2)(k-1)=0$$



            This has two solutions, $k=1$ and $k=-2/5$. The first gives a meaningful solution in integers, $x=4$, $y=9$. The second gives a meaningless non-solution, $x=1/5$, $y=-4/5$. Thus $9$ marbles (with $4$ of them blue) is not only the fewest number of marbles you can have to start with, it's the only number.






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              Thank you. I will take note of how to not use trial and error and how to solve it using algebra.
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              @Max0815, trial and error is a perfectly sensible and very useful approach. It always helps to look for easy, "obvious" solutions. And InterstallerProbe's answer shows that $(4,9)$ must be the smallest solution in whole numbers. What the algebra here does, really, is pin down the complete solution set. In this case that's more than the problem asked for, but it wasn't too much additional work.
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              Yeah, but its good to confirm this answer with algebra :)
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              – Max0815
              Mar 22 at 3:25











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            Let's look at the second equation:



            $$underbracedfracxycdot dfracx-1y-1_dfrac16cdot dfracx-2y-2 = dfrac121$$



            The first two terms are the same as the LHS of your first equation. So, we can substitute.



            $$dfracx-2y-2 = dfrac621$$



            Reducing the RHS to lowest terms gives:



            $$dfracx-2y-2 = dfrac27$$



            There you have $x-2=2, y-2=7$



            So, $x=4, y=9$ should be the smallest possible values for which the problem should hold true (if there were smaller values, it would contradict $dfrac27$ being in lowest terms).






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              Thank you very much!
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            $begingroup$

            Let's look at the second equation:



            $$underbracedfracxycdot dfracx-1y-1_dfrac16cdot dfracx-2y-2 = dfrac121$$



            The first two terms are the same as the LHS of your first equation. So, we can substitute.



            $$dfracx-2y-2 = dfrac621$$



            Reducing the RHS to lowest terms gives:



            $$dfracx-2y-2 = dfrac27$$



            There you have $x-2=2, y-2=7$



            So, $x=4, y=9$ should be the smallest possible values for which the problem should hold true (if there were smaller values, it would contradict $dfrac27$ being in lowest terms).






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            $begingroup$

            Let's look at the second equation:



            $$underbracedfracxycdot dfracx-1y-1_dfrac16cdot dfracx-2y-2 = dfrac121$$



            The first two terms are the same as the LHS of your first equation. So, we can substitute.



            $$dfracx-2y-2 = dfrac621$$



            Reducing the RHS to lowest terms gives:



            $$dfracx-2y-2 = dfrac27$$



            There you have $x-2=2, y-2=7$



            So, $x=4, y=9$ should be the smallest possible values for which the problem should hold true (if there were smaller values, it would contradict $dfrac27$ being in lowest terms).






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            Let's look at the second equation:



            $$underbracedfracxycdot dfracx-1y-1_dfrac16cdot dfracx-2y-2 = dfrac121$$



            The first two terms are the same as the LHS of your first equation. So, we can substitute.



            $$dfracx-2y-2 = dfrac621$$



            Reducing the RHS to lowest terms gives:



            $$dfracx-2y-2 = dfrac27$$



            There you have $x-2=2, y-2=7$



            So, $x=4, y=9$ should be the smallest possible values for which the problem should hold true (if there were smaller values, it would contradict $dfrac27$ being in lowest terms).







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            Thank you very much!
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            $begingroup$

            Divide the second equation by the first:



            $$fracx-2y-2 = frac621 = frac27$$



            Which when simplified gives:



            $$7x = 2y + 10$$



            What are the smallest integer values of x and y that solve this equation? Well, observe that a possible solution is $x = 2, y = 2$, but this is clearly wrong since $x = y$ in this case. Since $x$ cannot be odd, we go on to the next number, which is 4. Luckily, we can observe that a solution will be given by: $$x = 4, y = 9$$



            which happens to be the correct answer.






            share|cite|improve this answer









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              $begingroup$

              Divide the second equation by the first:



              $$fracx-2y-2 = frac621 = frac27$$



              Which when simplified gives:



              $$7x = 2y + 10$$



              What are the smallest integer values of x and y that solve this equation? Well, observe that a possible solution is $x = 2, y = 2$, but this is clearly wrong since $x = y$ in this case. Since $x$ cannot be odd, we go on to the next number, which is 4. Luckily, we can observe that a solution will be given by: $$x = 4, y = 9$$



              which happens to be the correct answer.






              share|cite|improve this answer









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                $begingroup$

                Divide the second equation by the first:



                $$fracx-2y-2 = frac621 = frac27$$



                Which when simplified gives:



                $$7x = 2y + 10$$



                What are the smallest integer values of x and y that solve this equation? Well, observe that a possible solution is $x = 2, y = 2$, but this is clearly wrong since $x = y$ in this case. Since $x$ cannot be odd, we go on to the next number, which is 4. Luckily, we can observe that a solution will be given by: $$x = 4, y = 9$$



                which happens to be the correct answer.






                share|cite|improve this answer









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                Divide the second equation by the first:



                $$fracx-2y-2 = frac621 = frac27$$



                Which when simplified gives:



                $$7x = 2y + 10$$



                What are the smallest integer values of x and y that solve this equation? Well, observe that a possible solution is $x = 2, y = 2$, but this is clearly wrong since $x = y$ in this case. Since $x$ cannot be odd, we go on to the next number, which is 4. Luckily, we can observe that a solution will be given by: $$x = 4, y = 9$$



                which happens to be the correct answer.







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                answered Mar 22 at 2:26









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                    As Sean Lee and InterstellarProbe note, dividing the second equation by the first leaves



                    $$x-2over y-2=6over21=2over7$$



                    It follows that $x-2=2k$ and $y-2=7k$ for some $knot=0$. Plugging $x=2k+2$ and $y=7k+2$ into $6x^2-6x=y^2-y$, we have



                    $$6(2k+2)^2-6(2k+2)=(7k+2)^2-(7k+2)$$



                    which expands and simplifies initially to



                    $$24k^2+36k+12=49k^2+21k+2$$



                    and then to



                    $$25k^2-15k-10=5(5k+2)(k-1)=0$$



                    This has two solutions, $k=1$ and $k=-2/5$. The first gives a meaningful solution in integers, $x=4$, $y=9$. The second gives a meaningless non-solution, $x=1/5$, $y=-4/5$. Thus $9$ marbles (with $4$ of them blue) is not only the fewest number of marbles you can have to start with, it's the only number.






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                    • $begingroup$
                      Thank you. I will take note of how to not use trial and error and how to solve it using algebra.
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                      – Max0815
                      Mar 22 at 3:03










                    • $begingroup$
                      @Max0815, trial and error is a perfectly sensible and very useful approach. It always helps to look for easy, "obvious" solutions. And InterstallerProbe's answer shows that $(4,9)$ must be the smallest solution in whole numbers. What the algebra here does, really, is pin down the complete solution set. In this case that's more than the problem asked for, but it wasn't too much additional work.
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                      Mar 22 at 3:11











                    • $begingroup$
                      Yeah, but its good to confirm this answer with algebra :)
                      $endgroup$
                      – Max0815
                      Mar 22 at 3:25















                    1












                    $begingroup$

                    As Sean Lee and InterstellarProbe note, dividing the second equation by the first leaves



                    $$x-2over y-2=6over21=2over7$$



                    It follows that $x-2=2k$ and $y-2=7k$ for some $knot=0$. Plugging $x=2k+2$ and $y=7k+2$ into $6x^2-6x=y^2-y$, we have



                    $$6(2k+2)^2-6(2k+2)=(7k+2)^2-(7k+2)$$



                    which expands and simplifies initially to



                    $$24k^2+36k+12=49k^2+21k+2$$



                    and then to



                    $$25k^2-15k-10=5(5k+2)(k-1)=0$$



                    This has two solutions, $k=1$ and $k=-2/5$. The first gives a meaningful solution in integers, $x=4$, $y=9$. The second gives a meaningless non-solution, $x=1/5$, $y=-4/5$. Thus $9$ marbles (with $4$ of them blue) is not only the fewest number of marbles you can have to start with, it's the only number.






                    share|cite|improve this answer









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                    • $begingroup$
                      Thank you. I will take note of how to not use trial and error and how to solve it using algebra.
                      $endgroup$
                      – Max0815
                      Mar 22 at 3:03










                    • $begingroup$
                      @Max0815, trial and error is a perfectly sensible and very useful approach. It always helps to look for easy, "obvious" solutions. And InterstallerProbe's answer shows that $(4,9)$ must be the smallest solution in whole numbers. What the algebra here does, really, is pin down the complete solution set. In this case that's more than the problem asked for, but it wasn't too much additional work.
                      $endgroup$
                      – Barry Cipra
                      Mar 22 at 3:11











                    • $begingroup$
                      Yeah, but its good to confirm this answer with algebra :)
                      $endgroup$
                      – Max0815
                      Mar 22 at 3:25













                    1












                    1








                    1





                    $begingroup$

                    As Sean Lee and InterstellarProbe note, dividing the second equation by the first leaves



                    $$x-2over y-2=6over21=2over7$$



                    It follows that $x-2=2k$ and $y-2=7k$ for some $knot=0$. Plugging $x=2k+2$ and $y=7k+2$ into $6x^2-6x=y^2-y$, we have



                    $$6(2k+2)^2-6(2k+2)=(7k+2)^2-(7k+2)$$



                    which expands and simplifies initially to



                    $$24k^2+36k+12=49k^2+21k+2$$



                    and then to



                    $$25k^2-15k-10=5(5k+2)(k-1)=0$$



                    This has two solutions, $k=1$ and $k=-2/5$. The first gives a meaningful solution in integers, $x=4$, $y=9$. The second gives a meaningless non-solution, $x=1/5$, $y=-4/5$. Thus $9$ marbles (with $4$ of them blue) is not only the fewest number of marbles you can have to start with, it's the only number.






                    share|cite|improve this answer









                    $endgroup$



                    As Sean Lee and InterstellarProbe note, dividing the second equation by the first leaves



                    $$x-2over y-2=6over21=2over7$$



                    It follows that $x-2=2k$ and $y-2=7k$ for some $knot=0$. Plugging $x=2k+2$ and $y=7k+2$ into $6x^2-6x=y^2-y$, we have



                    $$6(2k+2)^2-6(2k+2)=(7k+2)^2-(7k+2)$$



                    which expands and simplifies initially to



                    $$24k^2+36k+12=49k^2+21k+2$$



                    and then to



                    $$25k^2-15k-10=5(5k+2)(k-1)=0$$



                    This has two solutions, $k=1$ and $k=-2/5$. The first gives a meaningful solution in integers, $x=4$, $y=9$. The second gives a meaningless non-solution, $x=1/5$, $y=-4/5$. Thus $9$ marbles (with $4$ of them blue) is not only the fewest number of marbles you can have to start with, it's the only number.







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                    answered Mar 22 at 2:50









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                    • $begingroup$
                      Thank you. I will take note of how to not use trial and error and how to solve it using algebra.
                      $endgroup$
                      – Max0815
                      Mar 22 at 3:03










                    • $begingroup$
                      @Max0815, trial and error is a perfectly sensible and very useful approach. It always helps to look for easy, "obvious" solutions. And InterstallerProbe's answer shows that $(4,9)$ must be the smallest solution in whole numbers. What the algebra here does, really, is pin down the complete solution set. In this case that's more than the problem asked for, but it wasn't too much additional work.
                      $endgroup$
                      – Barry Cipra
                      Mar 22 at 3:11











                    • $begingroup$
                      Yeah, but its good to confirm this answer with algebra :)
                      $endgroup$
                      – Max0815
                      Mar 22 at 3:25
















                    • $begingroup$
                      Thank you. I will take note of how to not use trial and error and how to solve it using algebra.
                      $endgroup$
                      – Max0815
                      Mar 22 at 3:03










                    • $begingroup$
                      @Max0815, trial and error is a perfectly sensible and very useful approach. It always helps to look for easy, "obvious" solutions. And InterstallerProbe's answer shows that $(4,9)$ must be the smallest solution in whole numbers. What the algebra here does, really, is pin down the complete solution set. In this case that's more than the problem asked for, but it wasn't too much additional work.
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                      – Barry Cipra
                      Mar 22 at 3:11











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                      Yeah, but its good to confirm this answer with algebra :)
                      $endgroup$
                      – Max0815
                      Mar 22 at 3:25















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                    Thank you. I will take note of how to not use trial and error and how to solve it using algebra.
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                    – Max0815
                    Mar 22 at 3:03




                    $begingroup$
                    Thank you. I will take note of how to not use trial and error and how to solve it using algebra.
                    $endgroup$
                    – Max0815
                    Mar 22 at 3:03












                    $begingroup$
                    @Max0815, trial and error is a perfectly sensible and very useful approach. It always helps to look for easy, "obvious" solutions. And InterstallerProbe's answer shows that $(4,9)$ must be the smallest solution in whole numbers. What the algebra here does, really, is pin down the complete solution set. In this case that's more than the problem asked for, but it wasn't too much additional work.
                    $endgroup$
                    – Barry Cipra
                    Mar 22 at 3:11





                    $begingroup$
                    @Max0815, trial and error is a perfectly sensible and very useful approach. It always helps to look for easy, "obvious" solutions. And InterstallerProbe's answer shows that $(4,9)$ must be the smallest solution in whole numbers. What the algebra here does, really, is pin down the complete solution set. In this case that's more than the problem asked for, but it wasn't too much additional work.
                    $endgroup$
                    – Barry Cipra
                    Mar 22 at 3:11













                    $begingroup$
                    Yeah, but its good to confirm this answer with algebra :)
                    $endgroup$
                    – Max0815
                    Mar 22 at 3:25




                    $begingroup$
                    Yeah, but its good to confirm this answer with algebra :)
                    $endgroup$
                    – Max0815
                    Mar 22 at 3:25

















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