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Strange problem about minimal and maximal elements?


Determining minimal and maximal elements in products of partial ordersQuestion about Hausdorff Maximal principle and antichainWidth of a product of chainsOn the maximal generator of integral stochastic ordersSubset of infinite partially-ordered powerset may not have maximal or minimal elementsCountability of minimal and maximal elements.Ordered set and minimal elementWell ordering and maximal chains in power setFind the minimal and maximal elements of $P^*$?













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I have the following problem:



Let $X=2, 3, 4, 5, ldots$ be ordered by division, that is:



$$xleq yLeftrightarrow xmid y,$$
and let $mathcalS=(A, leq_A): Asubset X$ where $leq_A$ is the order induced on $A$ by $leq$ via restriction. Then we can order $mathcalS$ via inclusion, that is:



$$Aleq_mathcalS BLeftrightarrow Asubset B.$$



Find the minimal and maximal elements of $mathcalS$ via $leq_mathcalS$.



What I don't understand about this problem is: why should one consider $mathcalS$ as subsets of $X$ ordered by the induced order? I mean, why can't it just be: Let $mathcalS$ be the subsets of $X$ ordered by inclusion?



The minimal elements should be the unitary sets and the maximal element should be $X$, right?










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    Can you give us a reference for this question?
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    But $mathcal S$ is indeed ordered by inclusion. The elements of $mathcal S$, which are subsets of $X$ are the ones which are ordered by the order induced from $X$ by inclusion. About the other question, if $varnothing$ is an element of $mathcal S$ (and so it seems), then it is the only minimal element; the only maximal one is $X$, as you suspected.
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$begingroup$


I have the following problem:



Let $X=2, 3, 4, 5, ldots$ be ordered by division, that is:



$$xleq yLeftrightarrow xmid y,$$
and let $mathcalS=(A, leq_A): Asubset X$ where $leq_A$ is the order induced on $A$ by $leq$ via restriction. Then we can order $mathcalS$ via inclusion, that is:



$$Aleq_mathcalS BLeftrightarrow Asubset B.$$



Find the minimal and maximal elements of $mathcalS$ via $leq_mathcalS$.



What I don't understand about this problem is: why should one consider $mathcalS$ as subsets of $X$ ordered by the induced order? I mean, why can't it just be: Let $mathcalS$ be the subsets of $X$ ordered by inclusion?



The minimal elements should be the unitary sets and the maximal element should be $X$, right?










share|cite|improve this question











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  • 1




    $begingroup$
    Can you give us a reference for this question?
    $endgroup$
    – user26857
    yesterday










  • $begingroup$
    But $mathcal S$ is indeed ordered by inclusion. The elements of $mathcal S$, which are subsets of $X$ are the ones which are ordered by the order induced from $X$ by inclusion. About the other question, if $varnothing$ is an element of $mathcal S$ (and so it seems), then it is the only minimal element; the only maximal one is $X$, as you suspected.
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    – amrsa
    yesterday













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$begingroup$


I have the following problem:



Let $X=2, 3, 4, 5, ldots$ be ordered by division, that is:



$$xleq yLeftrightarrow xmid y,$$
and let $mathcalS=(A, leq_A): Asubset X$ where $leq_A$ is the order induced on $A$ by $leq$ via restriction. Then we can order $mathcalS$ via inclusion, that is:



$$Aleq_mathcalS BLeftrightarrow Asubset B.$$



Find the minimal and maximal elements of $mathcalS$ via $leq_mathcalS$.



What I don't understand about this problem is: why should one consider $mathcalS$ as subsets of $X$ ordered by the induced order? I mean, why can't it just be: Let $mathcalS$ be the subsets of $X$ ordered by inclusion?



The minimal elements should be the unitary sets and the maximal element should be $X$, right?










share|cite|improve this question











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I have the following problem:



Let $X=2, 3, 4, 5, ldots$ be ordered by division, that is:



$$xleq yLeftrightarrow xmid y,$$
and let $mathcalS=(A, leq_A): Asubset X$ where $leq_A$ is the order induced on $A$ by $leq$ via restriction. Then we can order $mathcalS$ via inclusion, that is:



$$Aleq_mathcalS BLeftrightarrow Asubset B.$$



Find the minimal and maximal elements of $mathcalS$ via $leq_mathcalS$.



What I don't understand about this problem is: why should one consider $mathcalS$ as subsets of $X$ ordered by the induced order? I mean, why can't it just be: Let $mathcalS$ be the subsets of $X$ ordered by inclusion?



The minimal elements should be the unitary sets and the maximal element should be $X$, right?







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    $begingroup$
    Can you give us a reference for this question?
    $endgroup$
    – user26857
    yesterday










  • $begingroup$
    But $mathcal S$ is indeed ordered by inclusion. The elements of $mathcal S$, which are subsets of $X$ are the ones which are ordered by the order induced from $X$ by inclusion. About the other question, if $varnothing$ is an element of $mathcal S$ (and so it seems), then it is the only minimal element; the only maximal one is $X$, as you suspected.
    $endgroup$
    – amrsa
    yesterday












  • 1




    $begingroup$
    Can you give us a reference for this question?
    $endgroup$
    – user26857
    yesterday










  • $begingroup$
    But $mathcal S$ is indeed ordered by inclusion. The elements of $mathcal S$, which are subsets of $X$ are the ones which are ordered by the order induced from $X$ by inclusion. About the other question, if $varnothing$ is an element of $mathcal S$ (and so it seems), then it is the only minimal element; the only maximal one is $X$, as you suspected.
    $endgroup$
    – amrsa
    yesterday







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$begingroup$
Can you give us a reference for this question?
$endgroup$
– user26857
yesterday




$begingroup$
Can you give us a reference for this question?
$endgroup$
– user26857
yesterday












$begingroup$
But $mathcal S$ is indeed ordered by inclusion. The elements of $mathcal S$, which are subsets of $X$ are the ones which are ordered by the order induced from $X$ by inclusion. About the other question, if $varnothing$ is an element of $mathcal S$ (and so it seems), then it is the only minimal element; the only maximal one is $X$, as you suspected.
$endgroup$
– amrsa
yesterday




$begingroup$
But $mathcal S$ is indeed ordered by inclusion. The elements of $mathcal S$, which are subsets of $X$ are the ones which are ordered by the order induced from $X$ by inclusion. About the other question, if $varnothing$ is an element of $mathcal S$ (and so it seems), then it is the only minimal element; the only maximal one is $X$, as you suspected.
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