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Show that all normals to $gamma(t)=(cos(t)+tsin(t),sin(t)-tcos(t))$ are the same distance from the origin.



The Next CEO of Stack OverflowMax. distance of Normal to ellipse from origin$ax+by+cz=d$ is the equation of a plane in space. Show that $d'$ is the distance from the plane to the origin.Find the tangent and normal lines to the curve $gamma(t)=(2cos(t)-cos(2t), 2sin(t)-sin(2t))$ at $t=fracpi4$Vector Calculus Question- Planes and CurvesLength of Astroid tangent lineWhere i am going wrong in finding normal to curve?Find the normal vector to the given curve at given pointEquation for Distance of the Straight line from the Origin.Prove the lines from the foci to a point on an ellipse form equal angles with any tangent vector at that pointfor each point on the curve, the line segment of the tangent line from tahe curve point to the $y-$ axis has length 1.










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Show that all normals to $gamma(t)=(cos(t)+tsin(t),sin(t)-tcos(t))$ are the same distance from the origin.



My attempt:



Let $vecp=(cos(t_0)+t_0sin(t_0),sin(t_0)-t_0cos(t_0))$ be any arbitrary point for $t_0inmathbbR$. Then the tangent vector at $vecp$ is given by $dotgamma(t_0)=(t_0cos(t_0),t_0sin(t_0))implies$ the slope of the tangent vector at any point is given by $m=tan(t_0)implies$ the slope of any normal line is given by $m_perp=-cot(t_0)$. Now we calculate the normal line at any point $vecp:$ $$y-(sin(t_0)-t_0cos(t_0))=-cot(t_0)(x-cos(t_0)-t_osin(t_0))implies$$ $$cot(t_0)x+y+(2t_0cos(t_0)+cot(t_0)cos(t_0)-sin(t_0))=0$$



Recall that the distance from $Ax+By+C=0$ and $Q(x_0,y_0)$ is: $$|l,Q|=fracsqrtA^2+B^2$$



Hence $$|l,Q|=fracsqrt4t_0^2cos^2(t_0)+cot^2(t_0)cos^2(t_0)+sin^2(t_0)sqrtcot^2(t_0)+1$$



How can I proceed from here? Thanks in advance!



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Following the advice of user429040, the parametric form of any normal line is: $$mathscr l=(x(t_0)-tt_0sin(t_0), y(t_0)+tt_ocos(t_o))$$



The goal is to now minimize the norm of this parametric line over $t$, and show that this minimum does not depend on $t_0$:



$$|mathscr l|=|(x(t_0)-tt_0sin(t_0), y(t_0)+tt_ocos(t_o))|=((t-1)^2(t_0^2+1))^frac12impliesmin|mathscr l|=0.$$



However, we can graphically confirm and confirm by Prof. Blatter's answer above that this conclusion is incorrect. Where do I go from here?










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    Show that all normals to $gamma(t)=(cos(t)+tsin(t),sin(t)-tcos(t))$ are the same distance from the origin.



    My attempt:



    Let $vecp=(cos(t_0)+t_0sin(t_0),sin(t_0)-t_0cos(t_0))$ be any arbitrary point for $t_0inmathbbR$. Then the tangent vector at $vecp$ is given by $dotgamma(t_0)=(t_0cos(t_0),t_0sin(t_0))implies$ the slope of the tangent vector at any point is given by $m=tan(t_0)implies$ the slope of any normal line is given by $m_perp=-cot(t_0)$. Now we calculate the normal line at any point $vecp:$ $$y-(sin(t_0)-t_0cos(t_0))=-cot(t_0)(x-cos(t_0)-t_osin(t_0))implies$$ $$cot(t_0)x+y+(2t_0cos(t_0)+cot(t_0)cos(t_0)-sin(t_0))=0$$



    Recall that the distance from $Ax+By+C=0$ and $Q(x_0,y_0)$ is: $$|l,Q|=fracsqrtA^2+B^2$$



    Hence $$|l,Q|=fracsqrt4t_0^2cos^2(t_0)+cot^2(t_0)cos^2(t_0)+sin^2(t_0)sqrtcot^2(t_0)+1$$



    How can I proceed from here? Thanks in advance!



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    Further progress:



    Following the advice of user429040, the parametric form of any normal line is: $$mathscr l=(x(t_0)-tt_0sin(t_0), y(t_0)+tt_ocos(t_o))$$



    The goal is to now minimize the norm of this parametric line over $t$, and show that this minimum does not depend on $t_0$:



    $$|mathscr l|=|(x(t_0)-tt_0sin(t_0), y(t_0)+tt_ocos(t_o))|=((t-1)^2(t_0^2+1))^frac12impliesmin|mathscr l|=0.$$



    However, we can graphically confirm and confirm by Prof. Blatter's answer above that this conclusion is incorrect. Where do I go from here?










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      Show that all normals to $gamma(t)=(cos(t)+tsin(t),sin(t)-tcos(t))$ are the same distance from the origin.



      My attempt:



      Let $vecp=(cos(t_0)+t_0sin(t_0),sin(t_0)-t_0cos(t_0))$ be any arbitrary point for $t_0inmathbbR$. Then the tangent vector at $vecp$ is given by $dotgamma(t_0)=(t_0cos(t_0),t_0sin(t_0))implies$ the slope of the tangent vector at any point is given by $m=tan(t_0)implies$ the slope of any normal line is given by $m_perp=-cot(t_0)$. Now we calculate the normal line at any point $vecp:$ $$y-(sin(t_0)-t_0cos(t_0))=-cot(t_0)(x-cos(t_0)-t_osin(t_0))implies$$ $$cot(t_0)x+y+(2t_0cos(t_0)+cot(t_0)cos(t_0)-sin(t_0))=0$$



      Recall that the distance from $Ax+By+C=0$ and $Q(x_0,y_0)$ is: $$|l,Q|=fracsqrtA^2+B^2$$



      Hence $$|l,Q|=fracsqrt4t_0^2cos^2(t_0)+cot^2(t_0)cos^2(t_0)+sin^2(t_0)sqrtcot^2(t_0)+1$$



      How can I proceed from here? Thanks in advance!



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      Further progress:



      Following the advice of user429040, the parametric form of any normal line is: $$mathscr l=(x(t_0)-tt_0sin(t_0), y(t_0)+tt_ocos(t_o))$$



      The goal is to now minimize the norm of this parametric line over $t$, and show that this minimum does not depend on $t_0$:



      $$|mathscr l|=|(x(t_0)-tt_0sin(t_0), y(t_0)+tt_ocos(t_o))|=((t-1)^2(t_0^2+1))^frac12impliesmin|mathscr l|=0.$$



      However, we can graphically confirm and confirm by Prof. Blatter's answer above that this conclusion is incorrect. Where do I go from here?










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      Show that all normals to $gamma(t)=(cos(t)+tsin(t),sin(t)-tcos(t))$ are the same distance from the origin.



      My attempt:



      Let $vecp=(cos(t_0)+t_0sin(t_0),sin(t_0)-t_0cos(t_0))$ be any arbitrary point for $t_0inmathbbR$. Then the tangent vector at $vecp$ is given by $dotgamma(t_0)=(t_0cos(t_0),t_0sin(t_0))implies$ the slope of the tangent vector at any point is given by $m=tan(t_0)implies$ the slope of any normal line is given by $m_perp=-cot(t_0)$. Now we calculate the normal line at any point $vecp:$ $$y-(sin(t_0)-t_0cos(t_0))=-cot(t_0)(x-cos(t_0)-t_osin(t_0))implies$$ $$cot(t_0)x+y+(2t_0cos(t_0)+cot(t_0)cos(t_0)-sin(t_0))=0$$



      Recall that the distance from $Ax+By+C=0$ and $Q(x_0,y_0)$ is: $$|l,Q|=fracsqrtA^2+B^2$$



      Hence $$|l,Q|=fracsqrt4t_0^2cos^2(t_0)+cot^2(t_0)cos^2(t_0)+sin^2(t_0)sqrtcot^2(t_0)+1$$



      How can I proceed from here? Thanks in advance!



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      Further progress:



      Following the advice of user429040, the parametric form of any normal line is: $$mathscr l=(x(t_0)-tt_0sin(t_0), y(t_0)+tt_ocos(t_o))$$



      The goal is to now minimize the norm of this parametric line over $t$, and show that this minimum does not depend on $t_0$:



      $$|mathscr l|=|(x(t_0)-tt_0sin(t_0), y(t_0)+tt_ocos(t_o))|=((t-1)^2(t_0^2+1))^frac12impliesmin|mathscr l|=0.$$



      However, we can graphically confirm and confirm by Prof. Blatter's answer above that this conclusion is incorrect. Where do I go from here?







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          At the curve point $gamma(t)$ we have the tangent vector $dotgamma(t)=(tcos t,tsin t)$. Turn this vector counterclockwise $90^circ$, and obtain $(-tsin t, tcos t)$. When $t>0$ therefore the unit normal at $gamma(t)$ is $n(t)=(-sin t, cos t)$. This allows to obtain the normal $nu$ at $gamma(t)$ in the parametric form
          $$nu:quad umapstonu(u)=gamma(t)+u,n(t)=bigl(cos t+(t-u)sin t, sin t-(t-u)cos tbigr) .$$
          In order to determine the distance of $nu$ from the origin $O$ we have to determine the point $P$ on $nu$ for which $vecOPperp n(t)$. This means that we have to find the $u$-value for which $nu(u)perp n(t)$, or
          $$nu(u)cdot n(t)=-sin tbigl(cos t+(t-u)sin tbigr)+cos tbigl(sin t-(t-u)cos tbigr)=0 .$$
          This simplifies to $u=t$, so that we obtain $P=nu(t)=(cos t,sin t)$. This shows that $|OP|=1$, independently of $t>0$. The case $t<0$ is of course analogue. (At $gamma(0)$ the curve has a singularity.)






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            @livingtolearn-learningtolive: Your matrix does exactly what I have done. The condition $vecOPperp n(t)$ finds the nearest point on the normal, "by Pythagoras' theorem". I have not checked your approach.
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          Did you try parameterizing the normal? You will be able to minimize the norm over $t$ and show the minimum value doesn't depend on $t_0$. Click on the link below to see what I mean. I parameterized the normal for you in slot #5



          https://www.desmos.com/calculator/rrfe1s94dm



          If you do this, you'll find that any normal line is one unit away from the origin.



          Hope this helps.






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            How do I minimize the norm over t?
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            I apologize for the lack of detail in my response; I am responding to you via iPhone. You may want to consider minimizing the square of the norm over $t$. Take each component of the parametric curve in slot #5, square them, then add them together. Call that function $S(t)$. Next, solve the equation $S'(t)=0$ for $t$. Plug this value of $t$ back into $S(t)$ and you should get $1$.
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          We have



          $$
          gamma(t) = left[beginarraycccos t & -sin t\ sin t& cos tendarrayright]cdot left[beginarrayc 1 \ -tendarrayright] = R(t)cdot left[beginarrayc 1 \ -tendarrayright]
          $$



          the tangent vector



          $$
          dotgamma = dot Rcdotleft[beginarrayc 1 \ -tendarrayright]+ Rcdot left[beginarrayc 0 \ -1endarrayright]
          $$



          so



          $$
          eta = dot Rcdotleft[beginarrayc t \ 1endarrayright]+ Rcdot left[beginarrayc 1 \ 0endarrayright]
          $$



          is the normal vector because $dotgammacdot eta = 0$ The normal lines are thus



          $$
          n(t,lambda) = gamma(t) + lambda eta(t)
          $$



          their squared distance to the origin is given by



          $$
          ||n||^2 = 1+(lambda-1)^2 t^2
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          which has a minimum at $lambda = 1$ with minimum value $||n|| = 1$






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            $$dfracdydx=dfracdfracdydtdfracdxdt=dfractsin ttcos t$$



            The equation of the normal will be
            $$dfracy-(sin t-tcos t)x-(cos t+tsin t)=-dfraccos tsin t$$



            $$iff xcos t+ysin t-1=0$$



            The distance from the origin $$dfracsqrtcos^2t+sin^2t=?$$






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              $$dfracdydx=dfracdy/dtdx/dt=dfractsin ttcos t$$
              The normal has a slope that is its negative reciprocal $ =dfrac-cos t sin t$



              The equation of the normal is:



              $$ dfracy-y_1x-x_1=dfrac-cos tsin t$$



              $$dfracy-(sin t-tcos t)x-(cos t+tsin t)= dfraccos tsin t$$



              Cross-multiply, transpose and simplify to get



              $$ xcos t+ysin t =1 = p $$



              Recognize this is a standard tangent polar-normal form of a straight line where the tangent has slope $tan t$ to positive $x$ axis and constant minimum perpendicular/normal pedal distance $p=1$



              Alternately convert this to polar coordinates $(r,theta =t )$ ( working is left to you as simple exercise)



              $$ r= p sec ( theta - alpha) $$



              which has minimum pedal distance $r=p,$ at $ ( theta = alpha) $



              The given parametrization belongs to an involute formed by a taut string end-point starting at $(1,0)$ and rotating in the anti-clockwise direction. The normal to involute always has minimum distance to the base circle ( terminology used in gear design) $ r=p=1,$ with Pythagoras triangle property



              $$ sqrtr^2-T^2 = p. $$



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                As a variant: The point $gamma(t)$ is obtained by taking the point on the circle $r(t)=(cos(t), sin(t))$ and following circle's tangent line at $r(t)$, which we denote by $L$, and which is in the direction $Rot_90 r(t)=(sin(t), -cos(t))$, for time $t$. Thus after we compute the tangent to $gamma(t)$ to have direction parallel to $(cos(t), sin(t))$ i.e. to $r(t)$, we know that the normal to $gamma$ at $gamma(t)$ is parallel to $L$ and passes through $gamma(t)$, which $L$ also does. So the normal line is nothing but $L$ itself. Of course $L$ is tangent to the unit circle (at $r(t)$), and so is unit distance from the origin.






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                  At the curve point $gamma(t)$ we have the tangent vector $dotgamma(t)=(tcos t,tsin t)$. Turn this vector counterclockwise $90^circ$, and obtain $(-tsin t, tcos t)$. When $t>0$ therefore the unit normal at $gamma(t)$ is $n(t)=(-sin t, cos t)$. This allows to obtain the normal $nu$ at $gamma(t)$ in the parametric form
                  $$nu:quad umapstonu(u)=gamma(t)+u,n(t)=bigl(cos t+(t-u)sin t, sin t-(t-u)cos tbigr) .$$
                  In order to determine the distance of $nu$ from the origin $O$ we have to determine the point $P$ on $nu$ for which $vecOPperp n(t)$. This means that we have to find the $u$-value for which $nu(u)perp n(t)$, or
                  $$nu(u)cdot n(t)=-sin tbigl(cos t+(t-u)sin tbigr)+cos tbigl(sin t-(t-u)cos tbigr)=0 .$$
                  This simplifies to $u=t$, so that we obtain $P=nu(t)=(cos t,sin t)$. This shows that $|OP|=1$, independently of $t>0$. The case $t<0$ is of course analogue. (At $gamma(0)$ the curve has a singularity.)






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                    @livingtolearn-learningtolive: Your matrix does exactly what I have done. The condition $vecOPperp n(t)$ finds the nearest point on the normal, "by Pythagoras' theorem". I have not checked your approach.
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                  At the curve point $gamma(t)$ we have the tangent vector $dotgamma(t)=(tcos t,tsin t)$. Turn this vector counterclockwise $90^circ$, and obtain $(-tsin t, tcos t)$. When $t>0$ therefore the unit normal at $gamma(t)$ is $n(t)=(-sin t, cos t)$. This allows to obtain the normal $nu$ at $gamma(t)$ in the parametric form
                  $$nu:quad umapstonu(u)=gamma(t)+u,n(t)=bigl(cos t+(t-u)sin t, sin t-(t-u)cos tbigr) .$$
                  In order to determine the distance of $nu$ from the origin $O$ we have to determine the point $P$ on $nu$ for which $vecOPperp n(t)$. This means that we have to find the $u$-value for which $nu(u)perp n(t)$, or
                  $$nu(u)cdot n(t)=-sin tbigl(cos t+(t-u)sin tbigr)+cos tbigl(sin t-(t-u)cos tbigr)=0 .$$
                  This simplifies to $u=t$, so that we obtain $P=nu(t)=(cos t,sin t)$. This shows that $|OP|=1$, independently of $t>0$. The case $t<0$ is of course analogue. (At $gamma(0)$ the curve has a singularity.)






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                    @livingtolearn-learningtolive: Your matrix does exactly what I have done. The condition $vecOPperp n(t)$ finds the nearest point on the normal, "by Pythagoras' theorem". I have not checked your approach.
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                  At the curve point $gamma(t)$ we have the tangent vector $dotgamma(t)=(tcos t,tsin t)$. Turn this vector counterclockwise $90^circ$, and obtain $(-tsin t, tcos t)$. When $t>0$ therefore the unit normal at $gamma(t)$ is $n(t)=(-sin t, cos t)$. This allows to obtain the normal $nu$ at $gamma(t)$ in the parametric form
                  $$nu:quad umapstonu(u)=gamma(t)+u,n(t)=bigl(cos t+(t-u)sin t, sin t-(t-u)cos tbigr) .$$
                  In order to determine the distance of $nu$ from the origin $O$ we have to determine the point $P$ on $nu$ for which $vecOPperp n(t)$. This means that we have to find the $u$-value for which $nu(u)perp n(t)$, or
                  $$nu(u)cdot n(t)=-sin tbigl(cos t+(t-u)sin tbigr)+cos tbigl(sin t-(t-u)cos tbigr)=0 .$$
                  This simplifies to $u=t$, so that we obtain $P=nu(t)=(cos t,sin t)$. This shows that $|OP|=1$, independently of $t>0$. The case $t<0$ is of course analogue. (At $gamma(0)$ the curve has a singularity.)






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                  At the curve point $gamma(t)$ we have the tangent vector $dotgamma(t)=(tcos t,tsin t)$. Turn this vector counterclockwise $90^circ$, and obtain $(-tsin t, tcos t)$. When $t>0$ therefore the unit normal at $gamma(t)$ is $n(t)=(-sin t, cos t)$. This allows to obtain the normal $nu$ at $gamma(t)$ in the parametric form
                  $$nu:quad umapstonu(u)=gamma(t)+u,n(t)=bigl(cos t+(t-u)sin t, sin t-(t-u)cos tbigr) .$$
                  In order to determine the distance of $nu$ from the origin $O$ we have to determine the point $P$ on $nu$ for which $vecOPperp n(t)$. This means that we have to find the $u$-value for which $nu(u)perp n(t)$, or
                  $$nu(u)cdot n(t)=-sin tbigl(cos t+(t-u)sin tbigr)+cos tbigl(sin t-(t-u)cos tbigr)=0 .$$
                  This simplifies to $u=t$, so that we obtain $P=nu(t)=(cos t,sin t)$. This shows that $|OP|=1$, independently of $t>0$. The case $t<0$ is of course analogue. (At $gamma(0)$ the curve has a singularity.)







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                    @livingtolearn-learningtolive: Your matrix does exactly what I have done. The condition $vecOPperp n(t)$ finds the nearest point on the normal, "by Pythagoras' theorem". I have not checked your approach.
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                  @livingtolearn-learningtolive: Your matrix does exactly what I have done. The condition $vecOPperp n(t)$ finds the nearest point on the normal, "by Pythagoras' theorem". I have not checked your approach.
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                  Did you try parameterizing the normal? You will be able to minimize the norm over $t$ and show the minimum value doesn't depend on $t_0$. Click on the link below to see what I mean. I parameterized the normal for you in slot #5



                  https://www.desmos.com/calculator/rrfe1s94dm



                  If you do this, you'll find that any normal line is one unit away from the origin.



                  Hope this helps.






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                  • $begingroup$
                    How do I minimize the norm over t?
                    $endgroup$
                    – livingtolearn-learningtolive
                    Mar 18 at 18:37










                  • $begingroup$
                    I apologize for the lack of detail in my response; I am responding to you via iPhone. You may want to consider minimizing the square of the norm over $t$. Take each component of the parametric curve in slot #5, square them, then add them together. Call that function $S(t)$. Next, solve the equation $S'(t)=0$ for $t$. Plug this value of $t$ back into $S(t)$ and you should get $1$.
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                    Mar 19 at 19:27
















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                  $begingroup$

                  Did you try parameterizing the normal? You will be able to minimize the norm over $t$ and show the minimum value doesn't depend on $t_0$. Click on the link below to see what I mean. I parameterized the normal for you in slot #5



                  https://www.desmos.com/calculator/rrfe1s94dm



                  If you do this, you'll find that any normal line is one unit away from the origin.



                  Hope this helps.






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                  • $begingroup$
                    How do I minimize the norm over t?
                    $endgroup$
                    – livingtolearn-learningtolive
                    Mar 18 at 18:37










                  • $begingroup$
                    I apologize for the lack of detail in my response; I am responding to you via iPhone. You may want to consider minimizing the square of the norm over $t$. Take each component of the parametric curve in slot #5, square them, then add them together. Call that function $S(t)$. Next, solve the equation $S'(t)=0$ for $t$. Plug this value of $t$ back into $S(t)$ and you should get $1$.
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                    – user429040
                    Mar 19 at 19:27














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                  2








                  2





                  $begingroup$

                  Did you try parameterizing the normal? You will be able to minimize the norm over $t$ and show the minimum value doesn't depend on $t_0$. Click on the link below to see what I mean. I parameterized the normal for you in slot #5



                  https://www.desmos.com/calculator/rrfe1s94dm



                  If you do this, you'll find that any normal line is one unit away from the origin.



                  Hope this helps.






                  share|cite|improve this answer











                  $endgroup$



                  Did you try parameterizing the normal? You will be able to minimize the norm over $t$ and show the minimum value doesn't depend on $t_0$. Click on the link below to see what I mean. I parameterized the normal for you in slot #5



                  https://www.desmos.com/calculator/rrfe1s94dm



                  If you do this, you'll find that any normal line is one unit away from the origin.



                  Hope this helps.







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                  • $begingroup$
                    How do I minimize the norm over t?
                    $endgroup$
                    – livingtolearn-learningtolive
                    Mar 18 at 18:37










                  • $begingroup$
                    I apologize for the lack of detail in my response; I am responding to you via iPhone. You may want to consider minimizing the square of the norm over $t$. Take each component of the parametric curve in slot #5, square them, then add them together. Call that function $S(t)$. Next, solve the equation $S'(t)=0$ for $t$. Plug this value of $t$ back into $S(t)$ and you should get $1$.
                    $endgroup$
                    – user429040
                    Mar 19 at 19:27

















                  • $begingroup$
                    How do I minimize the norm over t?
                    $endgroup$
                    – livingtolearn-learningtolive
                    Mar 18 at 18:37










                  • $begingroup$
                    I apologize for the lack of detail in my response; I am responding to you via iPhone. You may want to consider minimizing the square of the norm over $t$. Take each component of the parametric curve in slot #5, square them, then add them together. Call that function $S(t)$. Next, solve the equation $S'(t)=0$ for $t$. Plug this value of $t$ back into $S(t)$ and you should get $1$.
                    $endgroup$
                    – user429040
                    Mar 19 at 19:27
















                  $begingroup$
                  How do I minimize the norm over t?
                  $endgroup$
                  – livingtolearn-learningtolive
                  Mar 18 at 18:37




                  $begingroup$
                  How do I minimize the norm over t?
                  $endgroup$
                  – livingtolearn-learningtolive
                  Mar 18 at 18:37












                  $begingroup$
                  I apologize for the lack of detail in my response; I am responding to you via iPhone. You may want to consider minimizing the square of the norm over $t$. Take each component of the parametric curve in slot #5, square them, then add them together. Call that function $S(t)$. Next, solve the equation $S'(t)=0$ for $t$. Plug this value of $t$ back into $S(t)$ and you should get $1$.
                  $endgroup$
                  – user429040
                  Mar 19 at 19:27





                  $begingroup$
                  I apologize for the lack of detail in my response; I am responding to you via iPhone. You may want to consider minimizing the square of the norm over $t$. Take each component of the parametric curve in slot #5, square them, then add them together. Call that function $S(t)$. Next, solve the equation $S'(t)=0$ for $t$. Plug this value of $t$ back into $S(t)$ and you should get $1$.
                  $endgroup$
                  – user429040
                  Mar 19 at 19:27












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                  $begingroup$

                  We have



                  $$
                  gamma(t) = left[beginarraycccos t & -sin t\ sin t& cos tendarrayright]cdot left[beginarrayc 1 \ -tendarrayright] = R(t)cdot left[beginarrayc 1 \ -tendarrayright]
                  $$



                  the tangent vector



                  $$
                  dotgamma = dot Rcdotleft[beginarrayc 1 \ -tendarrayright]+ Rcdot left[beginarrayc 0 \ -1endarrayright]
                  $$



                  so



                  $$
                  eta = dot Rcdotleft[beginarrayc t \ 1endarrayright]+ Rcdot left[beginarrayc 1 \ 0endarrayright]
                  $$



                  is the normal vector because $dotgammacdot eta = 0$ The normal lines are thus



                  $$
                  n(t,lambda) = gamma(t) + lambda eta(t)
                  $$



                  their squared distance to the origin is given by



                  $$
                  ||n||^2 = 1+(lambda-1)^2 t^2
                  $$



                  which has a minimum at $lambda = 1$ with minimum value $||n|| = 1$






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                    1












                    $begingroup$

                    We have



                    $$
                    gamma(t) = left[beginarraycccos t & -sin t\ sin t& cos tendarrayright]cdot left[beginarrayc 1 \ -tendarrayright] = R(t)cdot left[beginarrayc 1 \ -tendarrayright]
                    $$



                    the tangent vector



                    $$
                    dotgamma = dot Rcdotleft[beginarrayc 1 \ -tendarrayright]+ Rcdot left[beginarrayc 0 \ -1endarrayright]
                    $$



                    so



                    $$
                    eta = dot Rcdotleft[beginarrayc t \ 1endarrayright]+ Rcdot left[beginarrayc 1 \ 0endarrayright]
                    $$



                    is the normal vector because $dotgammacdot eta = 0$ The normal lines are thus



                    $$
                    n(t,lambda) = gamma(t) + lambda eta(t)
                    $$



                    their squared distance to the origin is given by



                    $$
                    ||n||^2 = 1+(lambda-1)^2 t^2
                    $$



                    which has a minimum at $lambda = 1$ with minimum value $||n|| = 1$






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                      1












                      1








                      1





                      $begingroup$

                      We have



                      $$
                      gamma(t) = left[beginarraycccos t & -sin t\ sin t& cos tendarrayright]cdot left[beginarrayc 1 \ -tendarrayright] = R(t)cdot left[beginarrayc 1 \ -tendarrayright]
                      $$



                      the tangent vector



                      $$
                      dotgamma = dot Rcdotleft[beginarrayc 1 \ -tendarrayright]+ Rcdot left[beginarrayc 0 \ -1endarrayright]
                      $$



                      so



                      $$
                      eta = dot Rcdotleft[beginarrayc t \ 1endarrayright]+ Rcdot left[beginarrayc 1 \ 0endarrayright]
                      $$



                      is the normal vector because $dotgammacdot eta = 0$ The normal lines are thus



                      $$
                      n(t,lambda) = gamma(t) + lambda eta(t)
                      $$



                      their squared distance to the origin is given by



                      $$
                      ||n||^2 = 1+(lambda-1)^2 t^2
                      $$



                      which has a minimum at $lambda = 1$ with minimum value $||n|| = 1$






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                      $endgroup$



                      We have



                      $$
                      gamma(t) = left[beginarraycccos t & -sin t\ sin t& cos tendarrayright]cdot left[beginarrayc 1 \ -tendarrayright] = R(t)cdot left[beginarrayc 1 \ -tendarrayright]
                      $$



                      the tangent vector



                      $$
                      dotgamma = dot Rcdotleft[beginarrayc 1 \ -tendarrayright]+ Rcdot left[beginarrayc 0 \ -1endarrayright]
                      $$



                      so



                      $$
                      eta = dot Rcdotleft[beginarrayc t \ 1endarrayright]+ Rcdot left[beginarrayc 1 \ 0endarrayright]
                      $$



                      is the normal vector because $dotgammacdot eta = 0$ The normal lines are thus



                      $$
                      n(t,lambda) = gamma(t) + lambda eta(t)
                      $$



                      their squared distance to the origin is given by



                      $$
                      ||n||^2 = 1+(lambda-1)^2 t^2
                      $$



                      which has a minimum at $lambda = 1$ with minimum value $||n|| = 1$







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                      answered Mar 19 at 19:55









                      CesareoCesareo

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                          $$dfracdydx=dfracdfracdydtdfracdxdt=dfractsin ttcos t$$



                          The equation of the normal will be
                          $$dfracy-(sin t-tcos t)x-(cos t+tsin t)=-dfraccos tsin t$$



                          $$iff xcos t+ysin t-1=0$$



                          The distance from the origin $$dfracsqrtcos^2t+sin^2t=?$$






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                            $begingroup$

                            $$dfracdydx=dfracdfracdydtdfracdxdt=dfractsin ttcos t$$



                            The equation of the normal will be
                            $$dfracy-(sin t-tcos t)x-(cos t+tsin t)=-dfraccos tsin t$$



                            $$iff xcos t+ysin t-1=0$$



                            The distance from the origin $$dfracsqrtcos^2t+sin^2t=?$$






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                              1




                              +50



                              $begingroup$

                              $$dfracdydx=dfracdfracdydtdfracdxdt=dfractsin ttcos t$$



                              The equation of the normal will be
                              $$dfracy-(sin t-tcos t)x-(cos t+tsin t)=-dfraccos tsin t$$



                              $$iff xcos t+ysin t-1=0$$



                              The distance from the origin $$dfracsqrtcos^2t+sin^2t=?$$






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                              $$dfracdydx=dfracdfracdydtdfracdxdt=dfractsin ttcos t$$



                              The equation of the normal will be
                              $$dfracy-(sin t-tcos t)x-(cos t+tsin t)=-dfraccos tsin t$$



                              $$iff xcos t+ysin t-1=0$$



                              The distance from the origin $$dfracsqrtcos^2t+sin^2t=?$$







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                              answered Mar 21 at 5:15









                              lab bhattacharjeelab bhattacharjee

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                                  1












                                  $begingroup$

                                  $$dfracdydx=dfracdy/dtdx/dt=dfractsin ttcos t$$
                                  The normal has a slope that is its negative reciprocal $ =dfrac-cos t sin t$



                                  The equation of the normal is:



                                  $$ dfracy-y_1x-x_1=dfrac-cos tsin t$$



                                  $$dfracy-(sin t-tcos t)x-(cos t+tsin t)= dfraccos tsin t$$



                                  Cross-multiply, transpose and simplify to get



                                  $$ xcos t+ysin t =1 = p $$



                                  Recognize this is a standard tangent polar-normal form of a straight line where the tangent has slope $tan t$ to positive $x$ axis and constant minimum perpendicular/normal pedal distance $p=1$



                                  Alternately convert this to polar coordinates $(r,theta =t )$ ( working is left to you as simple exercise)



                                  $$ r= p sec ( theta - alpha) $$



                                  which has minimum pedal distance $r=p,$ at $ ( theta = alpha) $



                                  The given parametrization belongs to an involute formed by a taut string end-point starting at $(1,0)$ and rotating in the anti-clockwise direction. The normal to involute always has minimum distance to the base circle ( terminology used in gear design) $ r=p=1,$ with Pythagoras triangle property



                                  $$ sqrtr^2-T^2 = p. $$



                                  InvolSketch






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                                    1












                                    $begingroup$

                                    $$dfracdydx=dfracdy/dtdx/dt=dfractsin ttcos t$$
                                    The normal has a slope that is its negative reciprocal $ =dfrac-cos t sin t$



                                    The equation of the normal is:



                                    $$ dfracy-y_1x-x_1=dfrac-cos tsin t$$



                                    $$dfracy-(sin t-tcos t)x-(cos t+tsin t)= dfraccos tsin t$$



                                    Cross-multiply, transpose and simplify to get



                                    $$ xcos t+ysin t =1 = p $$



                                    Recognize this is a standard tangent polar-normal form of a straight line where the tangent has slope $tan t$ to positive $x$ axis and constant minimum perpendicular/normal pedal distance $p=1$



                                    Alternately convert this to polar coordinates $(r,theta =t )$ ( working is left to you as simple exercise)



                                    $$ r= p sec ( theta - alpha) $$



                                    which has minimum pedal distance $r=p,$ at $ ( theta = alpha) $



                                    The given parametrization belongs to an involute formed by a taut string end-point starting at $(1,0)$ and rotating in the anti-clockwise direction. The normal to involute always has minimum distance to the base circle ( terminology used in gear design) $ r=p=1,$ with Pythagoras triangle property



                                    $$ sqrtr^2-T^2 = p. $$



                                    InvolSketch






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                                    $endgroup$















                                      1












                                      1








                                      1





                                      $begingroup$

                                      $$dfracdydx=dfracdy/dtdx/dt=dfractsin ttcos t$$
                                      The normal has a slope that is its negative reciprocal $ =dfrac-cos t sin t$



                                      The equation of the normal is:



                                      $$ dfracy-y_1x-x_1=dfrac-cos tsin t$$



                                      $$dfracy-(sin t-tcos t)x-(cos t+tsin t)= dfraccos tsin t$$



                                      Cross-multiply, transpose and simplify to get



                                      $$ xcos t+ysin t =1 = p $$



                                      Recognize this is a standard tangent polar-normal form of a straight line where the tangent has slope $tan t$ to positive $x$ axis and constant minimum perpendicular/normal pedal distance $p=1$



                                      Alternately convert this to polar coordinates $(r,theta =t )$ ( working is left to you as simple exercise)



                                      $$ r= p sec ( theta - alpha) $$



                                      which has minimum pedal distance $r=p,$ at $ ( theta = alpha) $



                                      The given parametrization belongs to an involute formed by a taut string end-point starting at $(1,0)$ and rotating in the anti-clockwise direction. The normal to involute always has minimum distance to the base circle ( terminology used in gear design) $ r=p=1,$ with Pythagoras triangle property



                                      $$ sqrtr^2-T^2 = p. $$



                                      InvolSketch






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                                      $endgroup$



                                      $$dfracdydx=dfracdy/dtdx/dt=dfractsin ttcos t$$
                                      The normal has a slope that is its negative reciprocal $ =dfrac-cos t sin t$



                                      The equation of the normal is:



                                      $$ dfracy-y_1x-x_1=dfrac-cos tsin t$$



                                      $$dfracy-(sin t-tcos t)x-(cos t+tsin t)= dfraccos tsin t$$



                                      Cross-multiply, transpose and simplify to get



                                      $$ xcos t+ysin t =1 = p $$



                                      Recognize this is a standard tangent polar-normal form of a straight line where the tangent has slope $tan t$ to positive $x$ axis and constant minimum perpendicular/normal pedal distance $p=1$



                                      Alternately convert this to polar coordinates $(r,theta =t )$ ( working is left to you as simple exercise)



                                      $$ r= p sec ( theta - alpha) $$



                                      which has minimum pedal distance $r=p,$ at $ ( theta = alpha) $



                                      The given parametrization belongs to an involute formed by a taut string end-point starting at $(1,0)$ and rotating in the anti-clockwise direction. The normal to involute always has minimum distance to the base circle ( terminology used in gear design) $ r=p=1,$ with Pythagoras triangle property



                                      $$ sqrtr^2-T^2 = p. $$



                                      InvolSketch







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                                          $begingroup$

                                          As a variant: The point $gamma(t)$ is obtained by taking the point on the circle $r(t)=(cos(t), sin(t))$ and following circle's tangent line at $r(t)$, which we denote by $L$, and which is in the direction $Rot_90 r(t)=(sin(t), -cos(t))$, for time $t$. Thus after we compute the tangent to $gamma(t)$ to have direction parallel to $(cos(t), sin(t))$ i.e. to $r(t)$, we know that the normal to $gamma$ at $gamma(t)$ is parallel to $L$ and passes through $gamma(t)$, which $L$ also does. So the normal line is nothing but $L$ itself. Of course $L$ is tangent to the unit circle (at $r(t)$), and so is unit distance from the origin.






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                                            $begingroup$

                                            As a variant: The point $gamma(t)$ is obtained by taking the point on the circle $r(t)=(cos(t), sin(t))$ and following circle's tangent line at $r(t)$, which we denote by $L$, and which is in the direction $Rot_90 r(t)=(sin(t), -cos(t))$, for time $t$. Thus after we compute the tangent to $gamma(t)$ to have direction parallel to $(cos(t), sin(t))$ i.e. to $r(t)$, we know that the normal to $gamma$ at $gamma(t)$ is parallel to $L$ and passes through $gamma(t)$, which $L$ also does. So the normal line is nothing but $L$ itself. Of course $L$ is tangent to the unit circle (at $r(t)$), and so is unit distance from the origin.






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                                              $begingroup$

                                              As a variant: The point $gamma(t)$ is obtained by taking the point on the circle $r(t)=(cos(t), sin(t))$ and following circle's tangent line at $r(t)$, which we denote by $L$, and which is in the direction $Rot_90 r(t)=(sin(t), -cos(t))$, for time $t$. Thus after we compute the tangent to $gamma(t)$ to have direction parallel to $(cos(t), sin(t))$ i.e. to $r(t)$, we know that the normal to $gamma$ at $gamma(t)$ is parallel to $L$ and passes through $gamma(t)$, which $L$ also does. So the normal line is nothing but $L$ itself. Of course $L$ is tangent to the unit circle (at $r(t)$), and so is unit distance from the origin.






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                                              As a variant: The point $gamma(t)$ is obtained by taking the point on the circle $r(t)=(cos(t), sin(t))$ and following circle's tangent line at $r(t)$, which we denote by $L$, and which is in the direction $Rot_90 r(t)=(sin(t), -cos(t))$, for time $t$. Thus after we compute the tangent to $gamma(t)$ to have direction parallel to $(cos(t), sin(t))$ i.e. to $r(t)$, we know that the normal to $gamma$ at $gamma(t)$ is parallel to $L$ and passes through $gamma(t)$, which $L$ also does. So the normal line is nothing but $L$ itself. Of course $L$ is tangent to the unit circle (at $r(t)$), and so is unit distance from the origin.







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