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Not understanding Simple Modulus Congruency


Solving simple congruences by handHow to find the numbers of Bezout identity for two numbersTroubles finding inverse modulusCongruency and Congruent ClassesGeneral method for solving $axequiv bpmod n$ without using extended Euclidean algorithm?Can Euclid's Division Algorithm and/or Fundamental Theorem of Arithmetic implies this property of prime numbers'Gauss's Algorithm' for computing modular fractions and inversesusing Gauss' algorithm (for linear congruences) for A > BEuclid proof explanationIterations of modulus operationSolve congruence: $45x equiv 15 pmod78$ (What am I doing wrong?)A “fast” way for writing negative number (say $x$) as $x equiv a pmod b$ with $0 leq a lt b$Why does the extended euclidean algorithm allow you to find modular inverse?Solving Simultaneous Modulus EquationsIs there an integer z such that $255zequiv 7pmod 633$?How to find modulus square root?Solving Simple Linear CongruenceHow do I solve $32x equiv 12 pmod 82$?Can we always solve this as a Linear Diophantine Equation?Solving the Congruence $20x equiv 16 pmod92$ and Giving Answer As a Congruence to the Smallest Possible Modulus













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Hi this is my first time posting on here... so please bear with me :P



I was just wondering how I can solve something like this:



$$25x ≡ 3 pmod109.$$



If someone can give a break down on how to do it would be appreciated (I'm a slow learner...)!



Here is proof that I've attempted:



  1. Using definition of modulus we can rewrite $$25x ≡ 3 pmod109$$ as $25x = 3 + 109y$ (for some integer $y$). We can rearrange that to $25x - 109y = 3$.


  2. We use Extended Euclidean Algorithm (not sure about this part, I keep messing things up), so this is where I'm stuck at.


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    Hi this is my first time posting on here... so please bear with me :P



    I was just wondering how I can solve something like this:



    $$25x ≡ 3 pmod109.$$



    If someone can give a break down on how to do it would be appreciated (I'm a slow learner...)!



    Here is proof that I've attempted:



    1. Using definition of modulus we can rewrite $$25x ≡ 3 pmod109$$ as $25x = 3 + 109y$ (for some integer $y$). We can rearrange that to $25x - 109y = 3$.


    2. We use Extended Euclidean Algorithm (not sure about this part, I keep messing things up), so this is where I'm stuck at.


    Thanks!










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      Hi this is my first time posting on here... so please bear with me :P



      I was just wondering how I can solve something like this:



      $$25x ≡ 3 pmod109.$$



      If someone can give a break down on how to do it would be appreciated (I'm a slow learner...)!



      Here is proof that I've attempted:



      1. Using definition of modulus we can rewrite $$25x ≡ 3 pmod109$$ as $25x = 3 + 109y$ (for some integer $y$). We can rearrange that to $25x - 109y = 3$.


      2. We use Extended Euclidean Algorithm (not sure about this part, I keep messing things up), so this is where I'm stuck at.


      Thanks!










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      Hi this is my first time posting on here... so please bear with me :P



      I was just wondering how I can solve something like this:



      $$25x ≡ 3 pmod109.$$



      If someone can give a break down on how to do it would be appreciated (I'm a slow learner...)!



      Here is proof that I've attempted:



      1. Using definition of modulus we can rewrite $$25x ≡ 3 pmod109$$ as $25x = 3 + 109y$ (for some integer $y$). We can rearrange that to $25x - 109y = 3$.


      2. We use Extended Euclidean Algorithm (not sure about this part, I keep messing things up), so this is where I'm stuck at.


      Thanks!







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          The extended euclidean algorithm is used to find x and y such that ax + by = gcd of a and b.



          In our case $a = 109$ and $b = 25$.



          So we start as follows.



          Find remainder and quotient when we divide $109$ by $25$ and write the remainder on the left hand side.



          So we get



          9 = 109 - 25*4.



          Now we get two new numbers $25$ and $9$. Write the remainder on the left hand side again.



          7 = 25 - 9*2.



          So we have two new numbers, 9 and 7.



          In the extended algorithm, we use the formula for 9 in the first step



          7 = 25 - (109 - 25*4)*2 = 25*9 - 109*2.



          Now



          2 = 9 - 7*1



          = (109-25*4) - (25*9 - 109*2) = 109*3 - 25*13



          Now write



          1 = 7 - 3*2



          i.e.



          1 = (25*9 - 109*2) - 3*(109*3 - 25*13)



          i.e.
          1 = 25*48 - 109*11



          Thus $25x - 109y = 1$ for $x = 48$ and $y = 11$.



          So $25x - 109y = 3$ for x = 48*3 = 144 and y = 11*3 = 33.



          Therefore 144*25 = 3 (mod 109).



          If you need a number $ le 109,$



          $144 = 109 + 35$.



          So we have (109+35)*25 = 3 (mod 109).



          Which implies 35*25 = 3 (mod 109).



          Thus $x = 35$ is a solution to your equation, which we found using the extended euclidean algorithm.



          Hope that helps.






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            Cool you typed all that just for me! ^_^ I understand until here: So 25x - 109y = 3 for x = 48*3 = 144 and y = 11*3 = 33. Can you explain why you multiplied by 3?
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            Yes!! I got it! Hahaha so glad I found this site :D:D:D:D:D Thanks to the both of you!!
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            Note that we have only shown that the numbers congruent to 35 mod 109 are a solution. However, as 25 is relatively prime to 109, multiplying by 25 permutates the elements of integers mod 109 and so this group of elements is the unique solution
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            @Case: Or just simply, if 25x1 = 25x (mod 109) then since 25 and 109 are relatively prime, x = x1 mod 109, because 25(x-x1) is divisible by 109.
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          Here's an alternative method that is due to Gauss. Scale the congruence so to reduce the leading coefficient. Hence we seek a multiple of $:25:$ that is smaller $rm(mod 109):. $ Clearly $,4 = lfloor 109/25rfloor,$ works: $; 4cdot25equiv 100 equiv -9 ;$ has smaller absolute value than $25$. Scaling by $,4,$ yields $rm, -9 x equiv 12.;$ Similarly, scaling this by $,12 = lfloor 109/9rfloor$ yields $rm x equiv 144 equiv 35$. See here for a vivid alternative presentation using fractions.



          This always works if the modulus is prime, i.e. it will terminate with leading coefficient $1$ (versus $0$, else the leading coefficient would properly divide the prime $rm:p:$). It's a special case of the Euclidean algorithm that computes inverses mod $:rm p:$ prime. This is the way that Gauss proved that irreducible integers are prime (i.e. that $,rm pmid abRightarrow pmid a,$ or $,rm pmid b$), hence unique factorization; it's essentially Gauss, Disquisitiones Arithmeticae, Art. 13, 1801, which iterates $rm (a,p) to (p ;mod; a, p);$ i.e. $rm ato a' to a'' to cdots,; n' = p ;mod; n ;$ instead of $rm (a,p) to (p ;mod; a,: a)$ as in the Euclidean algorithm. It generates a descending chain of multiples of $rm apmod!p.,$



          For further discussion see this answer and my sci.math post on 2002129.






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            Can you please answer my question on this post? math.stackexchange.com/questions/174676/…
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          You need to just 'divide' by 25 and get the solution.



          $25x=3(mod 109)$



          $Rightarrow 25^-125x=25^-13 (mod 109)$



          $Rightarrow x=25^-13 (mod 109)$



          Now $25^-1=48$, since $25*48=1200=1(mod 109)$. So we have -



          $x=48*3=35(mod 109)$



          Refer to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modular_multiplicative_inverse






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            Hi thanks for the reply, can you please explain how you got Now 25−1=48, since 25∗48=1200=1(mod 109)?
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            To calculate modular inverse you need to use your extended Euclid's algorithm. (The procedure is there in the Wikipedia link.)
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            Let me know if you have trouble understanding why $48=25^-1$. (The reason it is so is 25*48=109*11+1.)
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            Okay I've used EEA, I got 25(48) - 109(11) = 1. I googled how to do it following this: mast.queensu.ca/~math418/m418oh/m418oh04.pdf Which was what you got... in one line, while I took a dozen lines. BTW, how do I use the fancy math formatting on my posts?
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            The fancy formatting is done by a component called MathJax, which is basically a TeX formatter using Javascript. So for example 25^−1 in-between two dollar signs looks like looks like $25^-1$ automatically when you post. You can google TeX formatting to learn how it works, and for anything on this site which interests you, you can right-click the mathematical equation to "view source".
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          I meant this as a comment to the discussion after Student's answer but it seems that I don't have the option (reputation too low?) so I'll post it as an answer. Sorry.



          In order to compute quickly the inverse of 25 mod 109, note that $25=5^2$. Thus $25^-1=t^2$ where $t=5^-1$ mod 109. On the other hand, computing the inverse of 5 modulo any number $N$ ending with 9 (or 4) is immediate since it is just $(N+1)/5$.
          Thus $25^-1=((109+1)/5)^2=22^2=48$.



          Moral: when performing actual computations always look for easy tricks that allow shortcuts.






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            The extended euclidean algorithm is used to find x and y such that ax + by = gcd of a and b.



            In our case $a = 109$ and $b = 25$.



            So we start as follows.



            Find remainder and quotient when we divide $109$ by $25$ and write the remainder on the left hand side.



            So we get



            9 = 109 - 25*4.



            Now we get two new numbers $25$ and $9$. Write the remainder on the left hand side again.



            7 = 25 - 9*2.



            So we have two new numbers, 9 and 7.



            In the extended algorithm, we use the formula for 9 in the first step



            7 = 25 - (109 - 25*4)*2 = 25*9 - 109*2.



            Now



            2 = 9 - 7*1



            = (109-25*4) - (25*9 - 109*2) = 109*3 - 25*13



            Now write



            1 = 7 - 3*2



            i.e.



            1 = (25*9 - 109*2) - 3*(109*3 - 25*13)



            i.e.
            1 = 25*48 - 109*11



            Thus $25x - 109y = 1$ for $x = 48$ and $y = 11$.



            So $25x - 109y = 3$ for x = 48*3 = 144 and y = 11*3 = 33.



            Therefore 144*25 = 3 (mod 109).



            If you need a number $ le 109,$



            $144 = 109 + 35$.



            So we have (109+35)*25 = 3 (mod 109).



            Which implies 35*25 = 3 (mod 109).



            Thus $x = 35$ is a solution to your equation, which we found using the extended euclidean algorithm.



            Hope that helps.






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              Cool you typed all that just for me! ^_^ I understand until here: So 25x - 109y = 3 for x = 48*3 = 144 and y = 11*3 = 33. Can you explain why you multiplied by 3?
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              Yes!! I got it! Hahaha so glad I found this site :D:D:D:D:D Thanks to the both of you!!
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              Note that we have only shown that the numbers congruent to 35 mod 109 are a solution. However, as 25 is relatively prime to 109, multiplying by 25 permutates the elements of integers mod 109 and so this group of elements is the unique solution
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              @Case: Or just simply, if 25x1 = 25x (mod 109) then since 25 and 109 are relatively prime, x = x1 mod 109, because 25(x-x1) is divisible by 109.
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            The extended euclidean algorithm is used to find x and y such that ax + by = gcd of a and b.



            In our case $a = 109$ and $b = 25$.



            So we start as follows.



            Find remainder and quotient when we divide $109$ by $25$ and write the remainder on the left hand side.



            So we get



            9 = 109 - 25*4.



            Now we get two new numbers $25$ and $9$. Write the remainder on the left hand side again.



            7 = 25 - 9*2.



            So we have two new numbers, 9 and 7.



            In the extended algorithm, we use the formula for 9 in the first step



            7 = 25 - (109 - 25*4)*2 = 25*9 - 109*2.



            Now



            2 = 9 - 7*1



            = (109-25*4) - (25*9 - 109*2) = 109*3 - 25*13



            Now write



            1 = 7 - 3*2



            i.e.



            1 = (25*9 - 109*2) - 3*(109*3 - 25*13)



            i.e.
            1 = 25*48 - 109*11



            Thus $25x - 109y = 1$ for $x = 48$ and $y = 11$.



            So $25x - 109y = 3$ for x = 48*3 = 144 and y = 11*3 = 33.



            Therefore 144*25 = 3 (mod 109).



            If you need a number $ le 109,$



            $144 = 109 + 35$.



            So we have (109+35)*25 = 3 (mod 109).



            Which implies 35*25 = 3 (mod 109).



            Thus $x = 35$ is a solution to your equation, which we found using the extended euclidean algorithm.



            Hope that helps.






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              Cool you typed all that just for me! ^_^ I understand until here: So 25x - 109y = 3 for x = 48*3 = 144 and y = 11*3 = 33. Can you explain why you multiplied by 3?
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              – KaliKelly
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              Yes!! I got it! Hahaha so glad I found this site :D:D:D:D:D Thanks to the both of you!!
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              – KaliKelly
              Aug 22 '10 at 8:58










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              Note that we have only shown that the numbers congruent to 35 mod 109 are a solution. However, as 25 is relatively prime to 109, multiplying by 25 permutates the elements of integers mod 109 and so this group of elements is the unique solution
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              @Case: Or just simply, if 25x1 = 25x (mod 109) then since 25 and 109 are relatively prime, x = x1 mod 109, because 25(x-x1) is divisible by 109.
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            The extended euclidean algorithm is used to find x and y such that ax + by = gcd of a and b.



            In our case $a = 109$ and $b = 25$.



            So we start as follows.



            Find remainder and quotient when we divide $109$ by $25$ and write the remainder on the left hand side.



            So we get



            9 = 109 - 25*4.



            Now we get two new numbers $25$ and $9$. Write the remainder on the left hand side again.



            7 = 25 - 9*2.



            So we have two new numbers, 9 and 7.



            In the extended algorithm, we use the formula for 9 in the first step



            7 = 25 - (109 - 25*4)*2 = 25*9 - 109*2.



            Now



            2 = 9 - 7*1



            = (109-25*4) - (25*9 - 109*2) = 109*3 - 25*13



            Now write



            1 = 7 - 3*2



            i.e.



            1 = (25*9 - 109*2) - 3*(109*3 - 25*13)



            i.e.
            1 = 25*48 - 109*11



            Thus $25x - 109y = 1$ for $x = 48$ and $y = 11$.



            So $25x - 109y = 3$ for x = 48*3 = 144 and y = 11*3 = 33.



            Therefore 144*25 = 3 (mod 109).



            If you need a number $ le 109,$



            $144 = 109 + 35$.



            So we have (109+35)*25 = 3 (mod 109).



            Which implies 35*25 = 3 (mod 109).



            Thus $x = 35$ is a solution to your equation, which we found using the extended euclidean algorithm.



            Hope that helps.






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            The extended euclidean algorithm is used to find x and y such that ax + by = gcd of a and b.



            In our case $a = 109$ and $b = 25$.



            So we start as follows.



            Find remainder and quotient when we divide $109$ by $25$ and write the remainder on the left hand side.



            So we get



            9 = 109 - 25*4.



            Now we get two new numbers $25$ and $9$. Write the remainder on the left hand side again.



            7 = 25 - 9*2.



            So we have two new numbers, 9 and 7.



            In the extended algorithm, we use the formula for 9 in the first step



            7 = 25 - (109 - 25*4)*2 = 25*9 - 109*2.



            Now



            2 = 9 - 7*1



            = (109-25*4) - (25*9 - 109*2) = 109*3 - 25*13



            Now write



            1 = 7 - 3*2



            i.e.



            1 = (25*9 - 109*2) - 3*(109*3 - 25*13)



            i.e.
            1 = 25*48 - 109*11



            Thus $25x - 109y = 1$ for $x = 48$ and $y = 11$.



            So $25x - 109y = 3$ for x = 48*3 = 144 and y = 11*3 = 33.



            Therefore 144*25 = 3 (mod 109).



            If you need a number $ le 109,$



            $144 = 109 + 35$.



            So we have (109+35)*25 = 3 (mod 109).



            Which implies 35*25 = 3 (mod 109).



            Thus $x = 35$ is a solution to your equation, which we found using the extended euclidean algorithm.



            Hope that helps.







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              Cool you typed all that just for me! ^_^ I understand until here: So 25x - 109y = 3 for x = 48*3 = 144 and y = 11*3 = 33. Can you explain why you multiplied by 3?
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              Yes!! I got it! Hahaha so glad I found this site :D:D:D:D:D Thanks to the both of you!!
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              Note that we have only shown that the numbers congruent to 35 mod 109 are a solution. However, as 25 is relatively prime to 109, multiplying by 25 permutates the elements of integers mod 109 and so this group of elements is the unique solution
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              @Case: Or just simply, if 25x1 = 25x (mod 109) then since 25 and 109 are relatively prime, x = x1 mod 109, because 25(x-x1) is divisible by 109.
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              Cool you typed all that just for me! ^_^ I understand until here: So 25x - 109y = 3 for x = 48*3 = 144 and y = 11*3 = 33. Can you explain why you multiplied by 3?
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              – KaliKelly
              Aug 22 '10 at 8:08











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              Yes!! I got it! Hahaha so glad I found this site :D:D:D:D:D Thanks to the both of you!!
              $endgroup$
              – KaliKelly
              Aug 22 '10 at 8:58










            • $begingroup$
              Note that we have only shown that the numbers congruent to 35 mod 109 are a solution. However, as 25 is relatively prime to 109, multiplying by 25 permutates the elements of integers mod 109 and so this group of elements is the unique solution
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              – Casebash
              Aug 22 '10 at 10:58






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              @Case: Or just simply, if 25x1 = 25x (mod 109) then since 25 and 109 are relatively prime, x = x1 mod 109, because 25(x-x1) is divisible by 109.
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            Cool you typed all that just for me! ^_^ I understand until here: So 25x - 109y = 3 for x = 48*3 = 144 and y = 11*3 = 33. Can you explain why you multiplied by 3?
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            – KaliKelly
            Aug 22 '10 at 8:08





            $begingroup$
            Cool you typed all that just for me! ^_^ I understand until here: So 25x - 109y = 3 for x = 48*3 = 144 and y = 11*3 = 33. Can you explain why you multiplied by 3?
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            – KaliKelly
            Aug 22 '10 at 8:08













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            Yes!! I got it! Hahaha so glad I found this site :D:D:D:D:D Thanks to the both of you!!
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            – KaliKelly
            Aug 22 '10 at 8:58




            $begingroup$
            Yes!! I got it! Hahaha so glad I found this site :D:D:D:D:D Thanks to the both of you!!
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            – KaliKelly
            Aug 22 '10 at 8:58












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            Note that we have only shown that the numbers congruent to 35 mod 109 are a solution. However, as 25 is relatively prime to 109, multiplying by 25 permutates the elements of integers mod 109 and so this group of elements is the unique solution
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            – Casebash
            Aug 22 '10 at 10:58




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            Note that we have only shown that the numbers congruent to 35 mod 109 are a solution. However, as 25 is relatively prime to 109, multiplying by 25 permutates the elements of integers mod 109 and so this group of elements is the unique solution
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            – Casebash
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            @Case: Or just simply, if 25x1 = 25x (mod 109) then since 25 and 109 are relatively prime, x = x1 mod 109, because 25(x-x1) is divisible by 109.
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            – Aryabhata
            Aug 22 '10 at 14:36





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            @Case: Or just simply, if 25x1 = 25x (mod 109) then since 25 and 109 are relatively prime, x = x1 mod 109, because 25(x-x1) is divisible by 109.
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            Here's an alternative method that is due to Gauss. Scale the congruence so to reduce the leading coefficient. Hence we seek a multiple of $:25:$ that is smaller $rm(mod 109):. $ Clearly $,4 = lfloor 109/25rfloor,$ works: $; 4cdot25equiv 100 equiv -9 ;$ has smaller absolute value than $25$. Scaling by $,4,$ yields $rm, -9 x equiv 12.;$ Similarly, scaling this by $,12 = lfloor 109/9rfloor$ yields $rm x equiv 144 equiv 35$. See here for a vivid alternative presentation using fractions.



            This always works if the modulus is prime, i.e. it will terminate with leading coefficient $1$ (versus $0$, else the leading coefficient would properly divide the prime $rm:p:$). It's a special case of the Euclidean algorithm that computes inverses mod $:rm p:$ prime. This is the way that Gauss proved that irreducible integers are prime (i.e. that $,rm pmid abRightarrow pmid a,$ or $,rm pmid b$), hence unique factorization; it's essentially Gauss, Disquisitiones Arithmeticae, Art. 13, 1801, which iterates $rm (a,p) to (p ;mod; a, p);$ i.e. $rm ato a' to a'' to cdots,; n' = p ;mod; n ;$ instead of $rm (a,p) to (p ;mod; a,: a)$ as in the Euclidean algorithm. It generates a descending chain of multiples of $rm apmod!p.,$



            For further discussion see this answer and my sci.math post on 2002129.






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              Can you please answer my question on this post? math.stackexchange.com/questions/174676/…
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            $begingroup$

            Here's an alternative method that is due to Gauss. Scale the congruence so to reduce the leading coefficient. Hence we seek a multiple of $:25:$ that is smaller $rm(mod 109):. $ Clearly $,4 = lfloor 109/25rfloor,$ works: $; 4cdot25equiv 100 equiv -9 ;$ has smaller absolute value than $25$. Scaling by $,4,$ yields $rm, -9 x equiv 12.;$ Similarly, scaling this by $,12 = lfloor 109/9rfloor$ yields $rm x equiv 144 equiv 35$. See here for a vivid alternative presentation using fractions.



            This always works if the modulus is prime, i.e. it will terminate with leading coefficient $1$ (versus $0$, else the leading coefficient would properly divide the prime $rm:p:$). It's a special case of the Euclidean algorithm that computes inverses mod $:rm p:$ prime. This is the way that Gauss proved that irreducible integers are prime (i.e. that $,rm pmid abRightarrow pmid a,$ or $,rm pmid b$), hence unique factorization; it's essentially Gauss, Disquisitiones Arithmeticae, Art. 13, 1801, which iterates $rm (a,p) to (p ;mod; a, p);$ i.e. $rm ato a' to a'' to cdots,; n' = p ;mod; n ;$ instead of $rm (a,p) to (p ;mod; a,: a)$ as in the Euclidean algorithm. It generates a descending chain of multiples of $rm apmod!p.,$



            For further discussion see this answer and my sci.math post on 2002129.






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            • $begingroup$
              Can you please answer my question on this post? math.stackexchange.com/questions/174676/…
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              – Michael Munta
              Feb 7 at 15:33













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            $begingroup$

            Here's an alternative method that is due to Gauss. Scale the congruence so to reduce the leading coefficient. Hence we seek a multiple of $:25:$ that is smaller $rm(mod 109):. $ Clearly $,4 = lfloor 109/25rfloor,$ works: $; 4cdot25equiv 100 equiv -9 ;$ has smaller absolute value than $25$. Scaling by $,4,$ yields $rm, -9 x equiv 12.;$ Similarly, scaling this by $,12 = lfloor 109/9rfloor$ yields $rm x equiv 144 equiv 35$. See here for a vivid alternative presentation using fractions.



            This always works if the modulus is prime, i.e. it will terminate with leading coefficient $1$ (versus $0$, else the leading coefficient would properly divide the prime $rm:p:$). It's a special case of the Euclidean algorithm that computes inverses mod $:rm p:$ prime. This is the way that Gauss proved that irreducible integers are prime (i.e. that $,rm pmid abRightarrow pmid a,$ or $,rm pmid b$), hence unique factorization; it's essentially Gauss, Disquisitiones Arithmeticae, Art. 13, 1801, which iterates $rm (a,p) to (p ;mod; a, p);$ i.e. $rm ato a' to a'' to cdots,; n' = p ;mod; n ;$ instead of $rm (a,p) to (p ;mod; a,: a)$ as in the Euclidean algorithm. It generates a descending chain of multiples of $rm apmod!p.,$



            For further discussion see this answer and my sci.math post on 2002129.






            share|cite|improve this answer











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            Here's an alternative method that is due to Gauss. Scale the congruence so to reduce the leading coefficient. Hence we seek a multiple of $:25:$ that is smaller $rm(mod 109):. $ Clearly $,4 = lfloor 109/25rfloor,$ works: $; 4cdot25equiv 100 equiv -9 ;$ has smaller absolute value than $25$. Scaling by $,4,$ yields $rm, -9 x equiv 12.;$ Similarly, scaling this by $,12 = lfloor 109/9rfloor$ yields $rm x equiv 144 equiv 35$. See here for a vivid alternative presentation using fractions.



            This always works if the modulus is prime, i.e. it will terminate with leading coefficient $1$ (versus $0$, else the leading coefficient would properly divide the prime $rm:p:$). It's a special case of the Euclidean algorithm that computes inverses mod $:rm p:$ prime. This is the way that Gauss proved that irreducible integers are prime (i.e. that $,rm pmid abRightarrow pmid a,$ or $,rm pmid b$), hence unique factorization; it's essentially Gauss, Disquisitiones Arithmeticae, Art. 13, 1801, which iterates $rm (a,p) to (p ;mod; a, p);$ i.e. $rm ato a' to a'' to cdots,; n' = p ;mod; n ;$ instead of $rm (a,p) to (p ;mod; a,: a)$ as in the Euclidean algorithm. It generates a descending chain of multiples of $rm apmod!p.,$



            For further discussion see this answer and my sci.math post on 2002129.







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            answered Aug 24 '10 at 19:38









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              Can you please answer my question on this post? math.stackexchange.com/questions/174676/…
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              Can you please answer my question on this post? math.stackexchange.com/questions/174676/…
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              – Michael Munta
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            Can you please answer my question on this post? math.stackexchange.com/questions/174676/…
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            – Michael Munta
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            You need to just 'divide' by 25 and get the solution.



            $25x=3(mod 109)$



            $Rightarrow 25^-125x=25^-13 (mod 109)$



            $Rightarrow x=25^-13 (mod 109)$



            Now $25^-1=48$, since $25*48=1200=1(mod 109)$. So we have -



            $x=48*3=35(mod 109)$



            Refer to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modular_multiplicative_inverse






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            • $begingroup$
              Hi thanks for the reply, can you please explain how you got Now 25−1=48, since 25∗48=1200=1(mod 109)?
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              – KaliKelly
              Aug 22 '10 at 6:34










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              To calculate modular inverse you need to use your extended Euclid's algorithm. (The procedure is there in the Wikipedia link.)
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              – KalEl
              Aug 22 '10 at 6:38










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              Let me know if you have trouble understanding why $48=25^-1$. (The reason it is so is 25*48=109*11+1.)
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              – KalEl
              Aug 22 '10 at 7:29










            • $begingroup$
              Okay I've used EEA, I got 25(48) - 109(11) = 1. I googled how to do it following this: mast.queensu.ca/~math418/m418oh/m418oh04.pdf Which was what you got... in one line, while I took a dozen lines. BTW, how do I use the fancy math formatting on my posts?
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              – KaliKelly
              Aug 22 '10 at 7:40










            • $begingroup$
              The fancy formatting is done by a component called MathJax, which is basically a TeX formatter using Javascript. So for example 25^−1 in-between two dollar signs looks like looks like $25^-1$ automatically when you post. You can google TeX formatting to learn how it works, and for anything on this site which interests you, you can right-click the mathematical equation to "view source".
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              – KalEl
              Aug 22 '10 at 9:30















            5












            $begingroup$

            You need to just 'divide' by 25 and get the solution.



            $25x=3(mod 109)$



            $Rightarrow 25^-125x=25^-13 (mod 109)$



            $Rightarrow x=25^-13 (mod 109)$



            Now $25^-1=48$, since $25*48=1200=1(mod 109)$. So we have -



            $x=48*3=35(mod 109)$



            Refer to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modular_multiplicative_inverse






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            • $begingroup$
              Hi thanks for the reply, can you please explain how you got Now 25−1=48, since 25∗48=1200=1(mod 109)?
              $endgroup$
              – KaliKelly
              Aug 22 '10 at 6:34










            • $begingroup$
              To calculate modular inverse you need to use your extended Euclid's algorithm. (The procedure is there in the Wikipedia link.)
              $endgroup$
              – KalEl
              Aug 22 '10 at 6:38










            • $begingroup$
              Let me know if you have trouble understanding why $48=25^-1$. (The reason it is so is 25*48=109*11+1.)
              $endgroup$
              – KalEl
              Aug 22 '10 at 7:29










            • $begingroup$
              Okay I've used EEA, I got 25(48) - 109(11) = 1. I googled how to do it following this: mast.queensu.ca/~math418/m418oh/m418oh04.pdf Which was what you got... in one line, while I took a dozen lines. BTW, how do I use the fancy math formatting on my posts?
              $endgroup$
              – KaliKelly
              Aug 22 '10 at 7:40










            • $begingroup$
              The fancy formatting is done by a component called MathJax, which is basically a TeX formatter using Javascript. So for example 25^−1 in-between two dollar signs looks like looks like $25^-1$ automatically when you post. You can google TeX formatting to learn how it works, and for anything on this site which interests you, you can right-click the mathematical equation to "view source".
              $endgroup$
              – KalEl
              Aug 22 '10 at 9:30













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            5








            5





            $begingroup$

            You need to just 'divide' by 25 and get the solution.



            $25x=3(mod 109)$



            $Rightarrow 25^-125x=25^-13 (mod 109)$



            $Rightarrow x=25^-13 (mod 109)$



            Now $25^-1=48$, since $25*48=1200=1(mod 109)$. So we have -



            $x=48*3=35(mod 109)$



            Refer to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modular_multiplicative_inverse






            share|cite|improve this answer









            $endgroup$



            You need to just 'divide' by 25 and get the solution.



            $25x=3(mod 109)$



            $Rightarrow 25^-125x=25^-13 (mod 109)$



            $Rightarrow x=25^-13 (mod 109)$



            Now $25^-1=48$, since $25*48=1200=1(mod 109)$. So we have -



            $x=48*3=35(mod 109)$



            Refer to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modular_multiplicative_inverse







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            answered Aug 22 '10 at 6:22









            KalElKalEl

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            • $begingroup$
              Hi thanks for the reply, can you please explain how you got Now 25−1=48, since 25∗48=1200=1(mod 109)?
              $endgroup$
              – KaliKelly
              Aug 22 '10 at 6:34










            • $begingroup$
              To calculate modular inverse you need to use your extended Euclid's algorithm. (The procedure is there in the Wikipedia link.)
              $endgroup$
              – KalEl
              Aug 22 '10 at 6:38










            • $begingroup$
              Let me know if you have trouble understanding why $48=25^-1$. (The reason it is so is 25*48=109*11+1.)
              $endgroup$
              – KalEl
              Aug 22 '10 at 7:29










            • $begingroup$
              Okay I've used EEA, I got 25(48) - 109(11) = 1. I googled how to do it following this: mast.queensu.ca/~math418/m418oh/m418oh04.pdf Which was what you got... in one line, while I took a dozen lines. BTW, how do I use the fancy math formatting on my posts?
              $endgroup$
              – KaliKelly
              Aug 22 '10 at 7:40










            • $begingroup$
              The fancy formatting is done by a component called MathJax, which is basically a TeX formatter using Javascript. So for example 25^−1 in-between two dollar signs looks like looks like $25^-1$ automatically when you post. You can google TeX formatting to learn how it works, and for anything on this site which interests you, you can right-click the mathematical equation to "view source".
              $endgroup$
              – KalEl
              Aug 22 '10 at 9:30
















            • $begingroup$
              Hi thanks for the reply, can you please explain how you got Now 25−1=48, since 25∗48=1200=1(mod 109)?
              $endgroup$
              – KaliKelly
              Aug 22 '10 at 6:34










            • $begingroup$
              To calculate modular inverse you need to use your extended Euclid's algorithm. (The procedure is there in the Wikipedia link.)
              $endgroup$
              – KalEl
              Aug 22 '10 at 6:38










            • $begingroup$
              Let me know if you have trouble understanding why $48=25^-1$. (The reason it is so is 25*48=109*11+1.)
              $endgroup$
              – KalEl
              Aug 22 '10 at 7:29










            • $begingroup$
              Okay I've used EEA, I got 25(48) - 109(11) = 1. I googled how to do it following this: mast.queensu.ca/~math418/m418oh/m418oh04.pdf Which was what you got... in one line, while I took a dozen lines. BTW, how do I use the fancy math formatting on my posts?
              $endgroup$
              – KaliKelly
              Aug 22 '10 at 7:40










            • $begingroup$
              The fancy formatting is done by a component called MathJax, which is basically a TeX formatter using Javascript. So for example 25^−1 in-between two dollar signs looks like looks like $25^-1$ automatically when you post. You can google TeX formatting to learn how it works, and for anything on this site which interests you, you can right-click the mathematical equation to "view source".
              $endgroup$
              – KalEl
              Aug 22 '10 at 9:30















            $begingroup$
            Hi thanks for the reply, can you please explain how you got Now 25−1=48, since 25∗48=1200=1(mod 109)?
            $endgroup$
            – KaliKelly
            Aug 22 '10 at 6:34




            $begingroup$
            Hi thanks for the reply, can you please explain how you got Now 25−1=48, since 25∗48=1200=1(mod 109)?
            $endgroup$
            – KaliKelly
            Aug 22 '10 at 6:34












            $begingroup$
            To calculate modular inverse you need to use your extended Euclid's algorithm. (The procedure is there in the Wikipedia link.)
            $endgroup$
            – KalEl
            Aug 22 '10 at 6:38




            $begingroup$
            To calculate modular inverse you need to use your extended Euclid's algorithm. (The procedure is there in the Wikipedia link.)
            $endgroup$
            – KalEl
            Aug 22 '10 at 6:38












            $begingroup$
            Let me know if you have trouble understanding why $48=25^-1$. (The reason it is so is 25*48=109*11+1.)
            $endgroup$
            – KalEl
            Aug 22 '10 at 7:29




            $begingroup$
            Let me know if you have trouble understanding why $48=25^-1$. (The reason it is so is 25*48=109*11+1.)
            $endgroup$
            – KalEl
            Aug 22 '10 at 7:29












            $begingroup$
            Okay I've used EEA, I got 25(48) - 109(11) = 1. I googled how to do it following this: mast.queensu.ca/~math418/m418oh/m418oh04.pdf Which was what you got... in one line, while I took a dozen lines. BTW, how do I use the fancy math formatting on my posts?
            $endgroup$
            – KaliKelly
            Aug 22 '10 at 7:40




            $begingroup$
            Okay I've used EEA, I got 25(48) - 109(11) = 1. I googled how to do it following this: mast.queensu.ca/~math418/m418oh/m418oh04.pdf Which was what you got... in one line, while I took a dozen lines. BTW, how do I use the fancy math formatting on my posts?
            $endgroup$
            – KaliKelly
            Aug 22 '10 at 7:40












            $begingroup$
            The fancy formatting is done by a component called MathJax, which is basically a TeX formatter using Javascript. So for example 25^−1 in-between two dollar signs looks like looks like $25^-1$ automatically when you post. You can google TeX formatting to learn how it works, and for anything on this site which interests you, you can right-click the mathematical equation to "view source".
            $endgroup$
            – KalEl
            Aug 22 '10 at 9:30




            $begingroup$
            The fancy formatting is done by a component called MathJax, which is basically a TeX formatter using Javascript. So for example 25^−1 in-between two dollar signs looks like looks like $25^-1$ automatically when you post. You can google TeX formatting to learn how it works, and for anything on this site which interests you, you can right-click the mathematical equation to "view source".
            $endgroup$
            – KalEl
            Aug 22 '10 at 9:30











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            I meant this as a comment to the discussion after Student's answer but it seems that I don't have the option (reputation too low?) so I'll post it as an answer. Sorry.



            In order to compute quickly the inverse of 25 mod 109, note that $25=5^2$. Thus $25^-1=t^2$ where $t=5^-1$ mod 109. On the other hand, computing the inverse of 5 modulo any number $N$ ending with 9 (or 4) is immediate since it is just $(N+1)/5$.
            Thus $25^-1=((109+1)/5)^2=22^2=48$.



            Moral: when performing actual computations always look for easy tricks that allow shortcuts.






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              I meant this as a comment to the discussion after Student's answer but it seems that I don't have the option (reputation too low?) so I'll post it as an answer. Sorry.



              In order to compute quickly the inverse of 25 mod 109, note that $25=5^2$. Thus $25^-1=t^2$ where $t=5^-1$ mod 109. On the other hand, computing the inverse of 5 modulo any number $N$ ending with 9 (or 4) is immediate since it is just $(N+1)/5$.
              Thus $25^-1=((109+1)/5)^2=22^2=48$.



              Moral: when performing actual computations always look for easy tricks that allow shortcuts.






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                $begingroup$

                I meant this as a comment to the discussion after Student's answer but it seems that I don't have the option (reputation too low?) so I'll post it as an answer. Sorry.



                In order to compute quickly the inverse of 25 mod 109, note that $25=5^2$. Thus $25^-1=t^2$ where $t=5^-1$ mod 109. On the other hand, computing the inverse of 5 modulo any number $N$ ending with 9 (or 4) is immediate since it is just $(N+1)/5$.
                Thus $25^-1=((109+1)/5)^2=22^2=48$.



                Moral: when performing actual computations always look for easy tricks that allow shortcuts.






                share|cite|improve this answer









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                I meant this as a comment to the discussion after Student's answer but it seems that I don't have the option (reputation too low?) so I'll post it as an answer. Sorry.



                In order to compute quickly the inverse of 25 mod 109, note that $25=5^2$. Thus $25^-1=t^2$ where $t=5^-1$ mod 109. On the other hand, computing the inverse of 5 modulo any number $N$ ending with 9 (or 4) is immediate since it is just $(N+1)/5$.
                Thus $25^-1=((109+1)/5)^2=22^2=48$.



                Moral: when performing actual computations always look for easy tricks that allow shortcuts.







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