Lemma 2.4.1 Introductory Functional Analysis - Kreyszig :Confirmation of my understandingLemma 2.4-1 in Erwin Kreyszig's “Introductory Functional Analysis with Applications”: Is there an easier proof?I need help understanding the proof of Lemma 2.4-1 from Kreyszig's Functional Analysis.Space Of All Compact Operators (Functional Analysis)Let $A , BsubseteqmathbbR$. If $A$ is closed and $B$ is compact, is $Acdot B$ closed?Erwine Kryszeg's INTRODUCTORY FUNCTIONAL ANALYSIS WITH APPLICATIONS, Section 1.5-8My proof of: Given an adherent point, some sequence converges to it.Understanding a proposition in Zeidler's book on functional analysisLinearly independent set of vectors in a normed spaceProve IVT from clopen sets in $mathbbR$.Rudin - Functional analysis excercise 12.7Question from conway's functional analysis bookHelp understanding terms related to functional analysis

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Lemma 2.4.1 Introductory Functional Analysis - Kreyszig :Confirmation of my understanding


Lemma 2.4-1 in Erwin Kreyszig's “Introductory Functional Analysis with Applications”: Is there an easier proof?I need help understanding the proof of Lemma 2.4-1 from Kreyszig's Functional Analysis.Space Of All Compact Operators (Functional Analysis)Let $A , BsubseteqmathbbR$. If $A$ is closed and $B$ is compact, is $Acdot B$ closed?Erwine Kryszeg's INTRODUCTORY FUNCTIONAL ANALYSIS WITH APPLICATIONS, Section 1.5-8My proof of: Given an adherent point, some sequence converges to it.Understanding a proposition in Zeidler's book on functional analysisLinearly independent set of vectors in a normed spaceProve IVT from clopen sets in $mathbbR$.Rudin - Functional analysis excercise 12.7Question from conway's functional analysis bookHelp understanding terms related to functional analysis













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I see that questions relating to this lemma have been asked here and here .
But my question is quite different in the sense , that i believe that i have understood what the author intends to say but i need a confirmation if my understanding is correct .
The lemma is : enter image description hereenter image description here



So this is my understanding :
To prove the lemma , we would prove that
$$exists c> 0 ,text for which forall alpha_i in R , text we have ||alpha_1x_1 +alpha_2x_2 +alpha_3x_3 +.....+ alpha_nx_n|| geq c(|alpha_1|+|alpha_2|+|alpha_+.....+|alpha_n|) tag1 $$
where the set of vectors $$x_1,x_2,.....,x_n$$ are independent and $x_i in X$ where $X$ is a normed space with some norm.



Now the first idea that comes to me is that because the set of vectors are independent .We know , from linear algebra , that $$alpha_1x_1 +alpha_2x_2 +alpha_3x_3 +.....+ alpha_nx_n = 0 $$ only when all $alpha_i$ are zero , in which case the inequality of the lemma will hold true for all $c$ . But let $alpha_i neq 0$ . In this case the quantity $$alpha_1x_1 +alpha_2x_2 +alpha_3x_3 +.....+ alpha_nx_n tag1$$ will have some value but we don't know what it is but the norm over it would be some positive value .



$textbf(1) $So intuitively , we can think that there exists and infinitesimally small $c neq 0 $ and this proves the lemma. Is this reasoning correct ?



$textbf(2) $Now , separately i had a look at author's explanation . And this is what i think he is saying . After some initial algebraic manipulation , we arrive to prove that : $$ exists c gt 0 text such that ||beta_1x_1+beta_2x_2+beta_3x_3+....+beta_nx_n|| geq c tag2$$ where $$sum_i=1^i=n|beta_i| = 1$$ .
Now to prove $textit equation 2 $this , what the author is trying to do is that he creates a sequence which contains all the possible values for
$$beta_1x_1+beta_2x_2+beta_3x_3+....+beta_nx_n
tag 3 $$
with a norm over it .And then he proves that this sequence converges to a a point , and the value of the point is not $0$ , and hence all elements of the of the sequences are not $0$ and hence the same intution , that followed in $textitPoint (1.) $follows here .
So is this deduction by me correct ? If that is the case , why did not the author just used $textitPoint (1.) $ ?



$textbf(3) $Lastly i want to confirm my understanding of how he created the sequence : Let the sequence be denoted by $(y_m)$ with the general element given by $$y_m= beta_1^(m)x_1+beta_2^(m)x_2+beta_3^(m)x_3+....beta_n^(m)x_n$$ . So that for m =1 ,2 , we have :
$$y_1 =beta_1^(1)x_1+beta_2^(1)x_2+beta_3^(1)x_3+....beta_n^(1)x_n \
y_2 =beta_1^(2)x_1+beta_2^(2)x_2+beta_3^(2)x_3+....beta_n^(2)x_n \
.\
.\
.\
y_m =beta_1^(m)x_1+beta_2^(m)x_2+beta_3^(m)x_3+....beta_n^(m)x_n tag4
$$

Now we know that $sum_i=1^i=n|beta_i^m| =1 $ , this implies that $|beta_i^m| leq 1$ . So we can say that the sequence $$(beta_1^1,beta_1^2,beta_1^3...)$$is bounded and by the BW theorem , there exists its sub sequence which is convergent and let that point of convergence be called $beta_1$ .The author then writes $textitLet (y_1,m) textit be the corresponding sub sequence of y_m$. I want to confirm if the general element of the $(y_1,m)$ looks like : $$y_1,m = beta_1x_1+ beta_2^mx_2+beta_3^mx_3 +.....+ beta_n^mx_n$$
Is that correct ?



$textbf(4) $ And we repeat the process and reach the $textit expression 3 $.



Edit 1 : I wrongly ordered the quantifiers as pointed out by @Matthew Towers. It has been fixed now. Also the language around c has been changed to make "c" look more like a constant.
Edit 2 : Typo around $|.|$ in equation 1 fixed.










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  • $begingroup$
    I fixed my mistake regarding ordering of quantifiers and the confusing statement i wrote along the constant c . What about my points 1.) ,2.) , 3.) and 4.) . ? Can you explain why they are wrong ?
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  • $begingroup$
    Equation (1) still isn't right: it should be $|alpha_1| + |alpha_2|+cdots$ not $|alpha_1 + alpha_2+cdots$. Point (1): no, that's not what's happening. (2) isn't the right idea. Kreyszig proceeds by contradiction: if no such $c$ existed then (for example) for each $epsilon >0$ there is a $y$ in that form with $||y || < epsilon$, so you can find a sequence of $y_m$ with $||y_m|| to 0$.
    $endgroup$
    – Matthew Towers
    Mar 18 at 7:44
















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$begingroup$


I see that questions relating to this lemma have been asked here and here .
But my question is quite different in the sense , that i believe that i have understood what the author intends to say but i need a confirmation if my understanding is correct .
The lemma is : enter image description hereenter image description here



So this is my understanding :
To prove the lemma , we would prove that
$$exists c> 0 ,text for which forall alpha_i in R , text we have ||alpha_1x_1 +alpha_2x_2 +alpha_3x_3 +.....+ alpha_nx_n|| geq c(|alpha_1|+|alpha_2|+|alpha_+.....+|alpha_n|) tag1 $$
where the set of vectors $$x_1,x_2,.....,x_n$$ are independent and $x_i in X$ where $X$ is a normed space with some norm.



Now the first idea that comes to me is that because the set of vectors are independent .We know , from linear algebra , that $$alpha_1x_1 +alpha_2x_2 +alpha_3x_3 +.....+ alpha_nx_n = 0 $$ only when all $alpha_i$ are zero , in which case the inequality of the lemma will hold true for all $c$ . But let $alpha_i neq 0$ . In this case the quantity $$alpha_1x_1 +alpha_2x_2 +alpha_3x_3 +.....+ alpha_nx_n tag1$$ will have some value but we don't know what it is but the norm over it would be some positive value .



$textbf(1) $So intuitively , we can think that there exists and infinitesimally small $c neq 0 $ and this proves the lemma. Is this reasoning correct ?



$textbf(2) $Now , separately i had a look at author's explanation . And this is what i think he is saying . After some initial algebraic manipulation , we arrive to prove that : $$ exists c gt 0 text such that ||beta_1x_1+beta_2x_2+beta_3x_3+....+beta_nx_n|| geq c tag2$$ where $$sum_i=1^i=n|beta_i| = 1$$ .
Now to prove $textit equation 2 $this , what the author is trying to do is that he creates a sequence which contains all the possible values for
$$beta_1x_1+beta_2x_2+beta_3x_3+....+beta_nx_n
tag 3 $$
with a norm over it .And then he proves that this sequence converges to a a point , and the value of the point is not $0$ , and hence all elements of the of the sequences are not $0$ and hence the same intution , that followed in $textitPoint (1.) $follows here .
So is this deduction by me correct ? If that is the case , why did not the author just used $textitPoint (1.) $ ?



$textbf(3) $Lastly i want to confirm my understanding of how he created the sequence : Let the sequence be denoted by $(y_m)$ with the general element given by $$y_m= beta_1^(m)x_1+beta_2^(m)x_2+beta_3^(m)x_3+....beta_n^(m)x_n$$ . So that for m =1 ,2 , we have :
$$y_1 =beta_1^(1)x_1+beta_2^(1)x_2+beta_3^(1)x_3+....beta_n^(1)x_n \
y_2 =beta_1^(2)x_1+beta_2^(2)x_2+beta_3^(2)x_3+....beta_n^(2)x_n \
.\
.\
.\
y_m =beta_1^(m)x_1+beta_2^(m)x_2+beta_3^(m)x_3+....beta_n^(m)x_n tag4
$$

Now we know that $sum_i=1^i=n|beta_i^m| =1 $ , this implies that $|beta_i^m| leq 1$ . So we can say that the sequence $$(beta_1^1,beta_1^2,beta_1^3...)$$is bounded and by the BW theorem , there exists its sub sequence which is convergent and let that point of convergence be called $beta_1$ .The author then writes $textitLet (y_1,m) textit be the corresponding sub sequence of y_m$. I want to confirm if the general element of the $(y_1,m)$ looks like : $$y_1,m = beta_1x_1+ beta_2^mx_2+beta_3^mx_3 +.....+ beta_n^mx_n$$
Is that correct ?



$textbf(4) $ And we repeat the process and reach the $textit expression 3 $.



Edit 1 : I wrongly ordered the quantifiers as pointed out by @Matthew Towers. It has been fixed now. Also the language around c has been changed to make "c" look more like a constant.
Edit 2 : Typo around $|.|$ in equation 1 fixed.










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  • $begingroup$
    I fixed my mistake regarding ordering of quantifiers and the confusing statement i wrote along the constant c . What about my points 1.) ,2.) , 3.) and 4.) . ? Can you explain why they are wrong ?
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    Mar 17 at 22:55










  • $begingroup$
    Equation (1) still isn't right: it should be $|alpha_1| + |alpha_2|+cdots$ not $|alpha_1 + alpha_2+cdots$. Point (1): no, that's not what's happening. (2) isn't the right idea. Kreyszig proceeds by contradiction: if no such $c$ existed then (for example) for each $epsilon >0$ there is a $y$ in that form with $||y || < epsilon$, so you can find a sequence of $y_m$ with $||y_m|| to 0$.
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    Mar 18 at 7:44














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I see that questions relating to this lemma have been asked here and here .
But my question is quite different in the sense , that i believe that i have understood what the author intends to say but i need a confirmation if my understanding is correct .
The lemma is : enter image description hereenter image description here



So this is my understanding :
To prove the lemma , we would prove that
$$exists c> 0 ,text for which forall alpha_i in R , text we have ||alpha_1x_1 +alpha_2x_2 +alpha_3x_3 +.....+ alpha_nx_n|| geq c(|alpha_1|+|alpha_2|+|alpha_+.....+|alpha_n|) tag1 $$
where the set of vectors $$x_1,x_2,.....,x_n$$ are independent and $x_i in X$ where $X$ is a normed space with some norm.



Now the first idea that comes to me is that because the set of vectors are independent .We know , from linear algebra , that $$alpha_1x_1 +alpha_2x_2 +alpha_3x_3 +.....+ alpha_nx_n = 0 $$ only when all $alpha_i$ are zero , in which case the inequality of the lemma will hold true for all $c$ . But let $alpha_i neq 0$ . In this case the quantity $$alpha_1x_1 +alpha_2x_2 +alpha_3x_3 +.....+ alpha_nx_n tag1$$ will have some value but we don't know what it is but the norm over it would be some positive value .



$textbf(1) $So intuitively , we can think that there exists and infinitesimally small $c neq 0 $ and this proves the lemma. Is this reasoning correct ?



$textbf(2) $Now , separately i had a look at author's explanation . And this is what i think he is saying . After some initial algebraic manipulation , we arrive to prove that : $$ exists c gt 0 text such that ||beta_1x_1+beta_2x_2+beta_3x_3+....+beta_nx_n|| geq c tag2$$ where $$sum_i=1^i=n|beta_i| = 1$$ .
Now to prove $textit equation 2 $this , what the author is trying to do is that he creates a sequence which contains all the possible values for
$$beta_1x_1+beta_2x_2+beta_3x_3+....+beta_nx_n
tag 3 $$
with a norm over it .And then he proves that this sequence converges to a a point , and the value of the point is not $0$ , and hence all elements of the of the sequences are not $0$ and hence the same intution , that followed in $textitPoint (1.) $follows here .
So is this deduction by me correct ? If that is the case , why did not the author just used $textitPoint (1.) $ ?



$textbf(3) $Lastly i want to confirm my understanding of how he created the sequence : Let the sequence be denoted by $(y_m)$ with the general element given by $$y_m= beta_1^(m)x_1+beta_2^(m)x_2+beta_3^(m)x_3+....beta_n^(m)x_n$$ . So that for m =1 ,2 , we have :
$$y_1 =beta_1^(1)x_1+beta_2^(1)x_2+beta_3^(1)x_3+....beta_n^(1)x_n \
y_2 =beta_1^(2)x_1+beta_2^(2)x_2+beta_3^(2)x_3+....beta_n^(2)x_n \
.\
.\
.\
y_m =beta_1^(m)x_1+beta_2^(m)x_2+beta_3^(m)x_3+....beta_n^(m)x_n tag4
$$

Now we know that $sum_i=1^i=n|beta_i^m| =1 $ , this implies that $|beta_i^m| leq 1$ . So we can say that the sequence $$(beta_1^1,beta_1^2,beta_1^3...)$$is bounded and by the BW theorem , there exists its sub sequence which is convergent and let that point of convergence be called $beta_1$ .The author then writes $textitLet (y_1,m) textit be the corresponding sub sequence of y_m$. I want to confirm if the general element of the $(y_1,m)$ looks like : $$y_1,m = beta_1x_1+ beta_2^mx_2+beta_3^mx_3 +.....+ beta_n^mx_n$$
Is that correct ?



$textbf(4) $ And we repeat the process and reach the $textit expression 3 $.



Edit 1 : I wrongly ordered the quantifiers as pointed out by @Matthew Towers. It has been fixed now. Also the language around c has been changed to make "c" look more like a constant.
Edit 2 : Typo around $|.|$ in equation 1 fixed.










share|cite|improve this question











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I see that questions relating to this lemma have been asked here and here .
But my question is quite different in the sense , that i believe that i have understood what the author intends to say but i need a confirmation if my understanding is correct .
The lemma is : enter image description hereenter image description here



So this is my understanding :
To prove the lemma , we would prove that
$$exists c> 0 ,text for which forall alpha_i in R , text we have ||alpha_1x_1 +alpha_2x_2 +alpha_3x_3 +.....+ alpha_nx_n|| geq c(|alpha_1|+|alpha_2|+|alpha_+.....+|alpha_n|) tag1 $$
where the set of vectors $$x_1,x_2,.....,x_n$$ are independent and $x_i in X$ where $X$ is a normed space with some norm.



Now the first idea that comes to me is that because the set of vectors are independent .We know , from linear algebra , that $$alpha_1x_1 +alpha_2x_2 +alpha_3x_3 +.....+ alpha_nx_n = 0 $$ only when all $alpha_i$ are zero , in which case the inequality of the lemma will hold true for all $c$ . But let $alpha_i neq 0$ . In this case the quantity $$alpha_1x_1 +alpha_2x_2 +alpha_3x_3 +.....+ alpha_nx_n tag1$$ will have some value but we don't know what it is but the norm over it would be some positive value .



$textbf(1) $So intuitively , we can think that there exists and infinitesimally small $c neq 0 $ and this proves the lemma. Is this reasoning correct ?



$textbf(2) $Now , separately i had a look at author's explanation . And this is what i think he is saying . After some initial algebraic manipulation , we arrive to prove that : $$ exists c gt 0 text such that ||beta_1x_1+beta_2x_2+beta_3x_3+....+beta_nx_n|| geq c tag2$$ where $$sum_i=1^i=n|beta_i| = 1$$ .
Now to prove $textit equation 2 $this , what the author is trying to do is that he creates a sequence which contains all the possible values for
$$beta_1x_1+beta_2x_2+beta_3x_3+....+beta_nx_n
tag 3 $$
with a norm over it .And then he proves that this sequence converges to a a point , and the value of the point is not $0$ , and hence all elements of the of the sequences are not $0$ and hence the same intution , that followed in $textitPoint (1.) $follows here .
So is this deduction by me correct ? If that is the case , why did not the author just used $textitPoint (1.) $ ?



$textbf(3) $Lastly i want to confirm my understanding of how he created the sequence : Let the sequence be denoted by $(y_m)$ with the general element given by $$y_m= beta_1^(m)x_1+beta_2^(m)x_2+beta_3^(m)x_3+....beta_n^(m)x_n$$ . So that for m =1 ,2 , we have :
$$y_1 =beta_1^(1)x_1+beta_2^(1)x_2+beta_3^(1)x_3+....beta_n^(1)x_n \
y_2 =beta_1^(2)x_1+beta_2^(2)x_2+beta_3^(2)x_3+....beta_n^(2)x_n \
.\
.\
.\
y_m =beta_1^(m)x_1+beta_2^(m)x_2+beta_3^(m)x_3+....beta_n^(m)x_n tag4
$$

Now we know that $sum_i=1^i=n|beta_i^m| =1 $ , this implies that $|beta_i^m| leq 1$ . So we can say that the sequence $$(beta_1^1,beta_1^2,beta_1^3...)$$is bounded and by the BW theorem , there exists its sub sequence which is convergent and let that point of convergence be called $beta_1$ .The author then writes $textitLet (y_1,m) textit be the corresponding sub sequence of y_m$. I want to confirm if the general element of the $(y_1,m)$ looks like : $$y_1,m = beta_1x_1+ beta_2^mx_2+beta_3^mx_3 +.....+ beta_n^mx_n$$
Is that correct ?



$textbf(4) $ And we repeat the process and reach the $textit expression 3 $.



Edit 1 : I wrongly ordered the quantifiers as pointed out by @Matthew Towers. It has been fixed now. Also the language around c has been changed to make "c" look more like a constant.
Edit 2 : Typo around $|.|$ in equation 1 fixed.







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    I fixed my mistake regarding ordering of quantifiers and the confusing statement i wrote along the constant c . What about my points 1.) ,2.) , 3.) and 4.) . ? Can you explain why they are wrong ?
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    – warrior_monk
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  • $begingroup$
    Equation (1) still isn't right: it should be $|alpha_1| + |alpha_2|+cdots$ not $|alpha_1 + alpha_2+cdots$. Point (1): no, that's not what's happening. (2) isn't the right idea. Kreyszig proceeds by contradiction: if no such $c$ existed then (for example) for each $epsilon >0$ there is a $y$ in that form with $||y || < epsilon$, so you can find a sequence of $y_m$ with $||y_m|| to 0$.
    $endgroup$
    – Matthew Towers
    Mar 18 at 7:44

















  • $begingroup$
    I fixed my mistake regarding ordering of quantifiers and the confusing statement i wrote along the constant c . What about my points 1.) ,2.) , 3.) and 4.) . ? Can you explain why they are wrong ?
    $endgroup$
    – warrior_monk
    Mar 17 at 22:55










  • $begingroup$
    Equation (1) still isn't right: it should be $|alpha_1| + |alpha_2|+cdots$ not $|alpha_1 + alpha_2+cdots$. Point (1): no, that's not what's happening. (2) isn't the right idea. Kreyszig proceeds by contradiction: if no such $c$ existed then (for example) for each $epsilon >0$ there is a $y$ in that form with $||y || < epsilon$, so you can find a sequence of $y_m$ with $||y_m|| to 0$.
    $endgroup$
    – Matthew Towers
    Mar 18 at 7:44
















$begingroup$
I fixed my mistake regarding ordering of quantifiers and the confusing statement i wrote along the constant c . What about my points 1.) ,2.) , 3.) and 4.) . ? Can you explain why they are wrong ?
$endgroup$
– warrior_monk
Mar 17 at 22:55




$begingroup$
I fixed my mistake regarding ordering of quantifiers and the confusing statement i wrote along the constant c . What about my points 1.) ,2.) , 3.) and 4.) . ? Can you explain why they are wrong ?
$endgroup$
– warrior_monk
Mar 17 at 22:55












$begingroup$
Equation (1) still isn't right: it should be $|alpha_1| + |alpha_2|+cdots$ not $|alpha_1 + alpha_2+cdots$. Point (1): no, that's not what's happening. (2) isn't the right idea. Kreyszig proceeds by contradiction: if no such $c$ existed then (for example) for each $epsilon >0$ there is a $y$ in that form with $||y || < epsilon$, so you can find a sequence of $y_m$ with $||y_m|| to 0$.
$endgroup$
– Matthew Towers
Mar 18 at 7:44





$begingroup$
Equation (1) still isn't right: it should be $|alpha_1| + |alpha_2|+cdots$ not $|alpha_1 + alpha_2+cdots$. Point (1): no, that's not what's happening. (2) isn't the right idea. Kreyszig proceeds by contradiction: if no such $c$ existed then (for example) for each $epsilon >0$ there is a $y$ in that form with $||y || < epsilon$, so you can find a sequence of $y_m$ with $||y_m|| to 0$.
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