For $mathcalMsubseteq B$ and $pin S(mathcalM)$, there exists $qin S(B)$ an heir of $p$. Announcing the arrival of Valued Associate #679: Cesar Manara Planned maintenance scheduled April 17/18, 2019 at 00:00UTC (8:00pm US/Eastern)Models of $T_forallexists$ embed in a existentially closed extension model of $T$.If T is forall/exists-axiomatizable and M,N satisfies T, then there is exists/forall sentence $psi$ so that If M sat $psi$, then N sat $psi$For a compact logic, strong completeness follows from weak completenessCompactness theoremClass $K^infty$ is elementary provided that $K$ is.Counterexamples to Th$(K_1 cap K_2) subseteq$Th$(K_1)cup$Th$(K_2)$ and Mod$(Gamma cap Delta) subseteq$Mod$(Gamma) cup$Mod$(Delta)$Show that the sentence or the negation of a sentence is provable from the theory of discrete total ordersPreservation of $exists forall $-sentence of infinite algebraic extension fields$CB(varphi)=alpha$ iff $pin S_n (T) $ is nomempty finiteAn exercise in model theory about positive homomorphisms
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For $mathcalMsubseteq B$ and $pin S(mathcalM)$, there exists $qin S(B)$ an heir of $p$.
Announcing the arrival of Valued Associate #679: Cesar Manara
Planned maintenance scheduled April 17/18, 2019 at 00:00UTC (8:00pm US/Eastern)Models of $T_forallexists$ embed in a existentially closed extension model of $T$.If T is forall/exists-axiomatizable and M,N satisfies T, then there is exists/forall sentence $psi$ so that If M sat $psi$, then N sat $psi$For a compact logic, strong completeness follows from weak completenessCompactness theoremClass $K^infty$ is elementary provided that $K$ is.Counterexamples to Th$(K_1 cap K_2) subseteq$Th$(K_1)cup$Th$(K_2)$ and Mod$(Gamma cap Delta) subseteq$Mod$(Gamma) cup$Mod$(Delta)$Show that the sentence or the negation of a sentence is provable from the theory of discrete total ordersPreservation of $exists forall $-sentence of infinite algebraic extension fields$CB(varphi)=alpha$ iff $ varphiin pwedge CB(p)geqalpha$ is nomempty finiteAn exercise in model theory about positive homomorphisms
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let $Asubseteq BsubseteqmathcalM$ (where $subseteq$ is just the subset symbol). $q=mathrmtp(a/B)$ is an heir of $p=mathrmtp(a/A)$ iff for any $varphi(x;y)inmathcalL_A$, $varphi(x;b)in q$ for some $bin B$ implies $varphi(x;a)in p$ for some $ain A$.
I'm trying to prove when $mathcalMsubseteq B$ (possibly $B$ subset of some $mathcalN>mathcalM$ where $mathcalN$ is $|B|^+$-saturated) and $pin S(mathcalM)$, there exists $qin S(B)$ an heir of $p$.
I wanted to find $q$ contradicting "there exists $varphi(x;b)in q$ with $forall ainmathcalM, varphi(x;a)notin p$." So letting $p=mathrmtp(c/ mathcalM)$, I set $Sigma:=varphi(x;b)inmathcalL_Bmid mathcalNmodelsvarphi(c;b)wedge forall ainmathcalM,mathcalNmodelsvarphi(c;a) $. I could prove $Sigma cup p$ is consistent so I took a completion $q$ of this set in $mathcalL_B$. I assumed $q$ is not an heir of $p$ but failed to derive a contradiction. I tried to construct another set but I couldn't find an appropriate one.
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let $Asubseteq BsubseteqmathcalM$ (where $subseteq$ is just the subset symbol). $q=mathrmtp(a/B)$ is an heir of $p=mathrmtp(a/A)$ iff for any $varphi(x;y)inmathcalL_A$, $varphi(x;b)in q$ for some $bin B$ implies $varphi(x;a)in p$ for some $ain A$.
I'm trying to prove when $mathcalMsubseteq B$ (possibly $B$ subset of some $mathcalN>mathcalM$ where $mathcalN$ is $|B|^+$-saturated) and $pin S(mathcalM)$, there exists $qin S(B)$ an heir of $p$.
I wanted to find $q$ contradicting "there exists $varphi(x;b)in q$ with $forall ainmathcalM, varphi(x;a)notin p$." So letting $p=mathrmtp(c/ mathcalM)$, I set $Sigma:=varphi(x;b)inmathcalL_Bmid mathcalNmodelsvarphi(c;b)wedge forall ainmathcalM,mathcalNmodelsvarphi(c;a) $. I could prove $Sigma cup p$ is consistent so I took a completion $q$ of this set in $mathcalL_B$. I assumed $q$ is not an heir of $p$ but failed to derive a contradiction. I tried to construct another set but I couldn't find an appropriate one.
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let $Asubseteq BsubseteqmathcalM$ (where $subseteq$ is just the subset symbol). $q=mathrmtp(a/B)$ is an heir of $p=mathrmtp(a/A)$ iff for any $varphi(x;y)inmathcalL_A$, $varphi(x;b)in q$ for some $bin B$ implies $varphi(x;a)in p$ for some $ain A$.
I'm trying to prove when $mathcalMsubseteq B$ (possibly $B$ subset of some $mathcalN>mathcalM$ where $mathcalN$ is $|B|^+$-saturated) and $pin S(mathcalM)$, there exists $qin S(B)$ an heir of $p$.
I wanted to find $q$ contradicting "there exists $varphi(x;b)in q$ with $forall ainmathcalM, varphi(x;a)notin p$." So letting $p=mathrmtp(c/ mathcalM)$, I set $Sigma:=varphi(x;b)inmathcalL_Bmid mathcalNmodelsvarphi(c;b)wedge forall ainmathcalM,mathcalNmodelsvarphi(c;a) $. I could prove $Sigma cup p$ is consistent so I took a completion $q$ of this set in $mathcalL_B$. I assumed $q$ is not an heir of $p$ but failed to derive a contradiction. I tried to construct another set but I couldn't find an appropriate one.
model-theory
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let $Asubseteq BsubseteqmathcalM$ (where $subseteq$ is just the subset symbol). $q=mathrmtp(a/B)$ is an heir of $p=mathrmtp(a/A)$ iff for any $varphi(x;y)inmathcalL_A$, $varphi(x;b)in q$ for some $bin B$ implies $varphi(x;a)in p$ for some $ain A$.
I'm trying to prove when $mathcalMsubseteq B$ (possibly $B$ subset of some $mathcalN>mathcalM$ where $mathcalN$ is $|B|^+$-saturated) and $pin S(mathcalM)$, there exists $qin S(B)$ an heir of $p$.
I wanted to find $q$ contradicting "there exists $varphi(x;b)in q$ with $forall ainmathcalM, varphi(x;a)notin p$." So letting $p=mathrmtp(c/ mathcalM)$, I set $Sigma:=varphi(x;b)inmathcalL_Bmid mathcalNmodelsvarphi(c;b)wedge forall ainmathcalM,mathcalNmodelsvarphi(c;a) $. I could prove $Sigma cup p$ is consistent so I took a completion $q$ of this set in $mathcalL_B$. I assumed $q$ is not an heir of $p$ but failed to derive a contradiction. I tried to construct another set but I couldn't find an appropriate one.
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In the definition of heir, you forgot the condition that $psubseteq q$.
Hint: You almost chose the right set $Sigma$, but not quite. Instead, look a: $$Sigma = pcup varphi(x;b)mid varphi(x;y)in mathcalL_A, bin B,textand forall ain mathcalM, varphi(x;a)in p.$$
Showing this $Sigma$ is consistent will allow you to conclude, since if $q$ is any consistent completion of $Sigma$, and if we assume for contradiction that $varphi(x;b)in q$ but $varphi(x;a)notin p$ for all $ain mathcalM$, then $lnot varphi(x;a)in p$ for all $ain mathcalM$, so $lnot varphi(x;b)in Sigmasubseteq q$, contradicting consistency of $q$.
This argument won't work with your choice of $Sigma$, since we don't necessarily have $mathcalNmodels lnot varphi(c;b)$.
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In the definition of heir, you forgot the condition that $psubseteq q$.
Hint: You almost chose the right set $Sigma$, but not quite. Instead, look a: $$Sigma = pcup varphi(x;b)mid varphi(x;y)in mathcalL_A, bin B,textand forall ain mathcalM, varphi(x;a)in p.$$
Showing this $Sigma$ is consistent will allow you to conclude, since if $q$ is any consistent completion of $Sigma$, and if we assume for contradiction that $varphi(x;b)in q$ but $varphi(x;a)notin p$ for all $ain mathcalM$, then $lnot varphi(x;a)in p$ for all $ain mathcalM$, so $lnot varphi(x;b)in Sigmasubseteq q$, contradicting consistency of $q$.
This argument won't work with your choice of $Sigma$, since we don't necessarily have $mathcalNmodels lnot varphi(c;b)$.
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In the definition of heir, you forgot the condition that $psubseteq q$.
Hint: You almost chose the right set $Sigma$, but not quite. Instead, look a: $$Sigma = pcup varphi(x;b)mid varphi(x;y)in mathcalL_A, bin B,textand forall ain mathcalM, varphi(x;a)in p.$$
Showing this $Sigma$ is consistent will allow you to conclude, since if $q$ is any consistent completion of $Sigma$, and if we assume for contradiction that $varphi(x;b)in q$ but $varphi(x;a)notin p$ for all $ain mathcalM$, then $lnot varphi(x;a)in p$ for all $ain mathcalM$, so $lnot varphi(x;b)in Sigmasubseteq q$, contradicting consistency of $q$.
This argument won't work with your choice of $Sigma$, since we don't necessarily have $mathcalNmodels lnot varphi(c;b)$.
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In the definition of heir, you forgot the condition that $psubseteq q$.
Hint: You almost chose the right set $Sigma$, but not quite. Instead, look a: $$Sigma = pcup varphi(x;b)mid varphi(x;y)in mathcalL_A, bin B,textand forall ain mathcalM, varphi(x;a)in p.$$
Showing this $Sigma$ is consistent will allow you to conclude, since if $q$ is any consistent completion of $Sigma$, and if we assume for contradiction that $varphi(x;b)in q$ but $varphi(x;a)notin p$ for all $ain mathcalM$, then $lnot varphi(x;a)in p$ for all $ain mathcalM$, so $lnot varphi(x;b)in Sigmasubseteq q$, contradicting consistency of $q$.
This argument won't work with your choice of $Sigma$, since we don't necessarily have $mathcalNmodels lnot varphi(c;b)$.
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In the definition of heir, you forgot the condition that $psubseteq q$.
Hint: You almost chose the right set $Sigma$, but not quite. Instead, look a: $$Sigma = pcup varphi(x;b)mid varphi(x;y)in mathcalL_A, bin B,textand forall ain mathcalM, varphi(x;a)in p.$$
Showing this $Sigma$ is consistent will allow you to conclude, since if $q$ is any consistent completion of $Sigma$, and if we assume for contradiction that $varphi(x;b)in q$ but $varphi(x;a)notin p$ for all $ain mathcalM$, then $lnot varphi(x;a)in p$ for all $ain mathcalM$, so $lnot varphi(x;b)in Sigmasubseteq q$, contradicting consistency of $q$.
This argument won't work with your choice of $Sigma$, since we don't necessarily have $mathcalNmodels lnot varphi(c;b)$.
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