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Transformation of Roots for a Cubic Polynomial
Relation betwen coefficients and roots of a polynomialExpressing polynomial roots expression in terms of coefficientsRelation between the roots and the coefficients of a polynomialFactoring Polynomial with Complex Coefficients - Cauchy's TheoremIs there a relationship between these polynomial concepts?Please check this perturbation solution of polynomial root and truncation order.Minimal polynomial of product, sum, etc., of two algebraic numbersDiscriminant of Cubics and Math OlympiadError in Polynomial FactoringFind the new polynomial expression using substitution method.
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Consider $$x^3 + px + q = 0$$
with roots $ alpha, beta. gamma$
We want to find the degree 3 polynomial that has roots :
$$ fracalphabetagamma, frac alphagammabeta, frac betagamma alpha $$
My attempt so far:
$$frac alphabetagamma = fracalphabetagammagamma^2 = - fracqgamma^2 $$
and similarly for all of the others:
So now I let $$ t = - fracqx^2 $$ and substitute into the original polynomial; except I will multiply everything by $x$ first to make my substitution easier.
$$ x^4 + px^2 = -qx $$
$$ fracq^2t^2 - fracpqt = - qsqrt -fracqt $$
Squaring both sides and multiplying by $t^4$, we obtain:
$$qt^3 +p^2t^2 -2pqt +q^2 = 0 $$
Except this seems like a messy, tedious solution as you have to muck around with square roots etc. Is there a nicer way to do this?
polynomials
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Consider $$x^3 + px + q = 0$$
with roots $ alpha, beta. gamma$
We want to find the degree 3 polynomial that has roots :
$$ fracalphabetagamma, frac alphagammabeta, frac betagamma alpha $$
My attempt so far:
$$frac alphabetagamma = fracalphabetagammagamma^2 = - fracqgamma^2 $$
and similarly for all of the others:
So now I let $$ t = - fracqx^2 $$ and substitute into the original polynomial; except I will multiply everything by $x$ first to make my substitution easier.
$$ x^4 + px^2 = -qx $$
$$ fracq^2t^2 - fracpqt = - qsqrt -fracqt $$
Squaring both sides and multiplying by $t^4$, we obtain:
$$qt^3 +p^2t^2 -2pqt +q^2 = 0 $$
Except this seems like a messy, tedious solution as you have to muck around with square roots etc. Is there a nicer way to do this?
polynomials
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An alternative would be to calculate the symmetric functions for the new roots directly. No square roots involved, but still some calculations.
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– dxiv
Nov 11 '16 at 23:56
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If you are more comfortable with identities, you can try the alternative suggested by @dxiv. Your method, although involving square roots does not have many intermediate side-steps.
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– Shraddheya Shendre
Nov 12 '16 at 0:10
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Is the equation you obtained after substitution correct? I think it should start with $ q^2/t^2 $ and have an additional q on the right hand side. I might also be missing something.
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– Deniz Sargun
Nov 12 '16 at 0:24
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Thank you for spotting that out -- yes I was a bit careless with my algebra!
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– Hugh Entwistle
Nov 12 '16 at 0:37
add a comment |
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Consider $$x^3 + px + q = 0$$
with roots $ alpha, beta. gamma$
We want to find the degree 3 polynomial that has roots :
$$ fracalphabetagamma, frac alphagammabeta, frac betagamma alpha $$
My attempt so far:
$$frac alphabetagamma = fracalphabetagammagamma^2 = - fracqgamma^2 $$
and similarly for all of the others:
So now I let $$ t = - fracqx^2 $$ and substitute into the original polynomial; except I will multiply everything by $x$ first to make my substitution easier.
$$ x^4 + px^2 = -qx $$
$$ fracq^2t^2 - fracpqt = - qsqrt -fracqt $$
Squaring both sides and multiplying by $t^4$, we obtain:
$$qt^3 +p^2t^2 -2pqt +q^2 = 0 $$
Except this seems like a messy, tedious solution as you have to muck around with square roots etc. Is there a nicer way to do this?
polynomials
$endgroup$
Consider $$x^3 + px + q = 0$$
with roots $ alpha, beta. gamma$
We want to find the degree 3 polynomial that has roots :
$$ fracalphabetagamma, frac alphagammabeta, frac betagamma alpha $$
My attempt so far:
$$frac alphabetagamma = fracalphabetagammagamma^2 = - fracqgamma^2 $$
and similarly for all of the others:
So now I let $$ t = - fracqx^2 $$ and substitute into the original polynomial; except I will multiply everything by $x$ first to make my substitution easier.
$$ x^4 + px^2 = -qx $$
$$ fracq^2t^2 - fracpqt = - qsqrt -fracqt $$
Squaring both sides and multiplying by $t^4$, we obtain:
$$qt^3 +p^2t^2 -2pqt +q^2 = 0 $$
Except this seems like a messy, tedious solution as you have to muck around with square roots etc. Is there a nicer way to do this?
polynomials
polynomials
edited Nov 12 '16 at 0:42
Hugh Entwistle
asked Nov 11 '16 at 23:43
Hugh EntwistleHugh Entwistle
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An alternative would be to calculate the symmetric functions for the new roots directly. No square roots involved, but still some calculations.
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– dxiv
Nov 11 '16 at 23:56
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If you are more comfortable with identities, you can try the alternative suggested by @dxiv. Your method, although involving square roots does not have many intermediate side-steps.
$endgroup$
– Shraddheya Shendre
Nov 12 '16 at 0:10
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Is the equation you obtained after substitution correct? I think it should start with $ q^2/t^2 $ and have an additional q on the right hand side. I might also be missing something.
$endgroup$
– Deniz Sargun
Nov 12 '16 at 0:24
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Thank you for spotting that out -- yes I was a bit careless with my algebra!
$endgroup$
– Hugh Entwistle
Nov 12 '16 at 0:37
add a comment |
2
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An alternative would be to calculate the symmetric functions for the new roots directly. No square roots involved, but still some calculations.
$endgroup$
– dxiv
Nov 11 '16 at 23:56
$begingroup$
If you are more comfortable with identities, you can try the alternative suggested by @dxiv. Your method, although involving square roots does not have many intermediate side-steps.
$endgroup$
– Shraddheya Shendre
Nov 12 '16 at 0:10
$begingroup$
Is the equation you obtained after substitution correct? I think it should start with $ q^2/t^2 $ and have an additional q on the right hand side. I might also be missing something.
$endgroup$
– Deniz Sargun
Nov 12 '16 at 0:24
$begingroup$
Thank you for spotting that out -- yes I was a bit careless with my algebra!
$endgroup$
– Hugh Entwistle
Nov 12 '16 at 0:37
2
2
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An alternative would be to calculate the symmetric functions for the new roots directly. No square roots involved, but still some calculations.
$endgroup$
– dxiv
Nov 11 '16 at 23:56
$begingroup$
An alternative would be to calculate the symmetric functions for the new roots directly. No square roots involved, but still some calculations.
$endgroup$
– dxiv
Nov 11 '16 at 23:56
$begingroup$
If you are more comfortable with identities, you can try the alternative suggested by @dxiv. Your method, although involving square roots does not have many intermediate side-steps.
$endgroup$
– Shraddheya Shendre
Nov 12 '16 at 0:10
$begingroup$
If you are more comfortable with identities, you can try the alternative suggested by @dxiv. Your method, although involving square roots does not have many intermediate side-steps.
$endgroup$
– Shraddheya Shendre
Nov 12 '16 at 0:10
$begingroup$
Is the equation you obtained after substitution correct? I think it should start with $ q^2/t^2 $ and have an additional q on the right hand side. I might also be missing something.
$endgroup$
– Deniz Sargun
Nov 12 '16 at 0:24
$begingroup$
Is the equation you obtained after substitution correct? I think it should start with $ q^2/t^2 $ and have an additional q on the right hand side. I might also be missing something.
$endgroup$
– Deniz Sargun
Nov 12 '16 at 0:24
$begingroup$
Thank you for spotting that out -- yes I was a bit careless with my algebra!
$endgroup$
– Hugh Entwistle
Nov 12 '16 at 0:37
$begingroup$
Thank you for spotting that out -- yes I was a bit careless with my algebra!
$endgroup$
– Hugh Entwistle
Nov 12 '16 at 0:37
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Here is a hint for a way of solving it using elementary steps: Consider a degree 3 polynomial that have roots $alpha, beta, gamma$:
$$
(x-alpha)(x-beta)(x-gamma),
$$
this must then be the same polynomial as
$$
x^3+px+q.
$$
Can you now relate now $alpha, beta, gamma$ with $p$ and $q$? Do we get any relation between $alpha, beta, gamma$?
Yes, from
$$
(x-alpha)(x-beta)(x-gamma)=x^3+px+q
$$
one obtains $alpha beta + alpha gamma + betagamma= p$, $alpha beta gamma =-q$, and $alpha + beta + gamma=0$. Due to this latter relation, one can also write $(alpha + beta + gamma)^2=0$, i.e., $alpha^2 +beta^2 +gamma^2=-2(alpha beta + alpha gamma + betagamma)=-2p$ and also $(alpha beta)^2 + (alpha gamma)^2 + (beta gamma)^2=(alpha beta + alpha gamma + beta gamma)^2-2(alpha betagamma)(alpha +beta+gamma)=(alpha beta + alpha gamma + beta gamma)^2=p^2$
After this, consider a degree 3 function that has roots $fracalpha betagamma, fracalpha gammabeta, fracalpha gammabeta$:
$$
left(x-fracalpha betagammaright)left(x-fracalpha gammabetaright)left(x-fracalpha gammabetaright)=\
frac1alpha beta gamma
left[(alpha beta gamma) x^3 - ((alpha beta)^2 + (alpha gamma)^2+(beta gamma)^2)x^2 + (alpha beta gamma)(alpha^2 + beta^2 +gamma^2)x -(alphabetagamma)^2right]
$$
Now use the obtained identities between $alpha, beta, gamma$ and $p, q$ to write up the above degree 3 polynomial with the desired roots:
$$
qx^3+p^2x^2-2pqx +q^2.
$$
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You just have to express the elementary symmetric functions of $;dfracalphabetagamma, dfracbetagammaalpha$ and $dfracgammaalphabeta$ with $p, q,r$, then use Vieta's relations.
- $beginaligned[t]dfracalphabetagamma+ dfracbetagammaalpha+dfracgammaalphabeta&=dfrac(alphabeta)^2+(betagamma)^2+(gammaalpha)^2alphabetagamma=dfrac(alphabeta+betagamma+gammaalpha)^2-2(alpha^2betagamma+alphabeta^2gamma+alphabetagamma^2)alphabetagamma\&=dfrac(alphabeta+betagamma+gammaalpha)^2alphabetagamma-2(alpha+beta+gamma)=fracp^2-rendaligned
$ - $dfracalphabetagammacdotdfracbetagammaalpha+dfracbetagammaalphacdotdfracgammaalphabeta+dfracgammaalphabetacdotdfracalphabetagamma=alpha^2+beta^2+gamma^2=(alpha+beta+gamma)^2-2(alphabeta+betagamma+gammaalpha)=-2p$
- $dfracalphabetagammacdotdfracbetagammaalphacdotdfracgammaalphabeta=alphabetagamma=-r$
Hence the equation is
$$x^3+fracp^2r x^2-2px+r=0iff rx^3+p^2x^2-2prx+r^2=0.$$
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$begingroup$
Here is a hint for a way of solving it using elementary steps: Consider a degree 3 polynomial that have roots $alpha, beta, gamma$:
$$
(x-alpha)(x-beta)(x-gamma),
$$
this must then be the same polynomial as
$$
x^3+px+q.
$$
Can you now relate now $alpha, beta, gamma$ with $p$ and $q$? Do we get any relation between $alpha, beta, gamma$?
Yes, from
$$
(x-alpha)(x-beta)(x-gamma)=x^3+px+q
$$
one obtains $alpha beta + alpha gamma + betagamma= p$, $alpha beta gamma =-q$, and $alpha + beta + gamma=0$. Due to this latter relation, one can also write $(alpha + beta + gamma)^2=0$, i.e., $alpha^2 +beta^2 +gamma^2=-2(alpha beta + alpha gamma + betagamma)=-2p$ and also $(alpha beta)^2 + (alpha gamma)^2 + (beta gamma)^2=(alpha beta + alpha gamma + beta gamma)^2-2(alpha betagamma)(alpha +beta+gamma)=(alpha beta + alpha gamma + beta gamma)^2=p^2$
After this, consider a degree 3 function that has roots $fracalpha betagamma, fracalpha gammabeta, fracalpha gammabeta$:
$$
left(x-fracalpha betagammaright)left(x-fracalpha gammabetaright)left(x-fracalpha gammabetaright)=\
frac1alpha beta gamma
left[(alpha beta gamma) x^3 - ((alpha beta)^2 + (alpha gamma)^2+(beta gamma)^2)x^2 + (alpha beta gamma)(alpha^2 + beta^2 +gamma^2)x -(alphabetagamma)^2right]
$$
Now use the obtained identities between $alpha, beta, gamma$ and $p, q$ to write up the above degree 3 polynomial with the desired roots:
$$
qx^3+p^2x^2-2pqx +q^2.
$$
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add a comment |
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Here is a hint for a way of solving it using elementary steps: Consider a degree 3 polynomial that have roots $alpha, beta, gamma$:
$$
(x-alpha)(x-beta)(x-gamma),
$$
this must then be the same polynomial as
$$
x^3+px+q.
$$
Can you now relate now $alpha, beta, gamma$ with $p$ and $q$? Do we get any relation between $alpha, beta, gamma$?
Yes, from
$$
(x-alpha)(x-beta)(x-gamma)=x^3+px+q
$$
one obtains $alpha beta + alpha gamma + betagamma= p$, $alpha beta gamma =-q$, and $alpha + beta + gamma=0$. Due to this latter relation, one can also write $(alpha + beta + gamma)^2=0$, i.e., $alpha^2 +beta^2 +gamma^2=-2(alpha beta + alpha gamma + betagamma)=-2p$ and also $(alpha beta)^2 + (alpha gamma)^2 + (beta gamma)^2=(alpha beta + alpha gamma + beta gamma)^2-2(alpha betagamma)(alpha +beta+gamma)=(alpha beta + alpha gamma + beta gamma)^2=p^2$
After this, consider a degree 3 function that has roots $fracalpha betagamma, fracalpha gammabeta, fracalpha gammabeta$:
$$
left(x-fracalpha betagammaright)left(x-fracalpha gammabetaright)left(x-fracalpha gammabetaright)=\
frac1alpha beta gamma
left[(alpha beta gamma) x^3 - ((alpha beta)^2 + (alpha gamma)^2+(beta gamma)^2)x^2 + (alpha beta gamma)(alpha^2 + beta^2 +gamma^2)x -(alphabetagamma)^2right]
$$
Now use the obtained identities between $alpha, beta, gamma$ and $p, q$ to write up the above degree 3 polynomial with the desired roots:
$$
qx^3+p^2x^2-2pqx +q^2.
$$
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add a comment |
$begingroup$
Here is a hint for a way of solving it using elementary steps: Consider a degree 3 polynomial that have roots $alpha, beta, gamma$:
$$
(x-alpha)(x-beta)(x-gamma),
$$
this must then be the same polynomial as
$$
x^3+px+q.
$$
Can you now relate now $alpha, beta, gamma$ with $p$ and $q$? Do we get any relation between $alpha, beta, gamma$?
Yes, from
$$
(x-alpha)(x-beta)(x-gamma)=x^3+px+q
$$
one obtains $alpha beta + alpha gamma + betagamma= p$, $alpha beta gamma =-q$, and $alpha + beta + gamma=0$. Due to this latter relation, one can also write $(alpha + beta + gamma)^2=0$, i.e., $alpha^2 +beta^2 +gamma^2=-2(alpha beta + alpha gamma + betagamma)=-2p$ and also $(alpha beta)^2 + (alpha gamma)^2 + (beta gamma)^2=(alpha beta + alpha gamma + beta gamma)^2-2(alpha betagamma)(alpha +beta+gamma)=(alpha beta + alpha gamma + beta gamma)^2=p^2$
After this, consider a degree 3 function that has roots $fracalpha betagamma, fracalpha gammabeta, fracalpha gammabeta$:
$$
left(x-fracalpha betagammaright)left(x-fracalpha gammabetaright)left(x-fracalpha gammabetaright)=\
frac1alpha beta gamma
left[(alpha beta gamma) x^3 - ((alpha beta)^2 + (alpha gamma)^2+(beta gamma)^2)x^2 + (alpha beta gamma)(alpha^2 + beta^2 +gamma^2)x -(alphabetagamma)^2right]
$$
Now use the obtained identities between $alpha, beta, gamma$ and $p, q$ to write up the above degree 3 polynomial with the desired roots:
$$
qx^3+p^2x^2-2pqx +q^2.
$$
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Here is a hint for a way of solving it using elementary steps: Consider a degree 3 polynomial that have roots $alpha, beta, gamma$:
$$
(x-alpha)(x-beta)(x-gamma),
$$
this must then be the same polynomial as
$$
x^3+px+q.
$$
Can you now relate now $alpha, beta, gamma$ with $p$ and $q$? Do we get any relation between $alpha, beta, gamma$?
Yes, from
$$
(x-alpha)(x-beta)(x-gamma)=x^3+px+q
$$
one obtains $alpha beta + alpha gamma + betagamma= p$, $alpha beta gamma =-q$, and $alpha + beta + gamma=0$. Due to this latter relation, one can also write $(alpha + beta + gamma)^2=0$, i.e., $alpha^2 +beta^2 +gamma^2=-2(alpha beta + alpha gamma + betagamma)=-2p$ and also $(alpha beta)^2 + (alpha gamma)^2 + (beta gamma)^2=(alpha beta + alpha gamma + beta gamma)^2-2(alpha betagamma)(alpha +beta+gamma)=(alpha beta + alpha gamma + beta gamma)^2=p^2$
After this, consider a degree 3 function that has roots $fracalpha betagamma, fracalpha gammabeta, fracalpha gammabeta$:
$$
left(x-fracalpha betagammaright)left(x-fracalpha gammabetaright)left(x-fracalpha gammabetaright)=\
frac1alpha beta gamma
left[(alpha beta gamma) x^3 - ((alpha beta)^2 + (alpha gamma)^2+(beta gamma)^2)x^2 + (alpha beta gamma)(alpha^2 + beta^2 +gamma^2)x -(alphabetagamma)^2right]
$$
Now use the obtained identities between $alpha, beta, gamma$ and $p, q$ to write up the above degree 3 polynomial with the desired roots:
$$
qx^3+p^2x^2-2pqx +q^2.
$$
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answered Nov 12 '16 at 0:38
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You just have to express the elementary symmetric functions of $;dfracalphabetagamma, dfracbetagammaalpha$ and $dfracgammaalphabeta$ with $p, q,r$, then use Vieta's relations.
- $beginaligned[t]dfracalphabetagamma+ dfracbetagammaalpha+dfracgammaalphabeta&=dfrac(alphabeta)^2+(betagamma)^2+(gammaalpha)^2alphabetagamma=dfrac(alphabeta+betagamma+gammaalpha)^2-2(alpha^2betagamma+alphabeta^2gamma+alphabetagamma^2)alphabetagamma\&=dfrac(alphabeta+betagamma+gammaalpha)^2alphabetagamma-2(alpha+beta+gamma)=fracp^2-rendaligned
$ - $dfracalphabetagammacdotdfracbetagammaalpha+dfracbetagammaalphacdotdfracgammaalphabeta+dfracgammaalphabetacdotdfracalphabetagamma=alpha^2+beta^2+gamma^2=(alpha+beta+gamma)^2-2(alphabeta+betagamma+gammaalpha)=-2p$
- $dfracalphabetagammacdotdfracbetagammaalphacdotdfracgammaalphabeta=alphabetagamma=-r$
Hence the equation is
$$x^3+fracp^2r x^2-2px+r=0iff rx^3+p^2x^2-2prx+r^2=0.$$
$endgroup$
add a comment |
$begingroup$
You just have to express the elementary symmetric functions of $;dfracalphabetagamma, dfracbetagammaalpha$ and $dfracgammaalphabeta$ with $p, q,r$, then use Vieta's relations.
- $beginaligned[t]dfracalphabetagamma+ dfracbetagammaalpha+dfracgammaalphabeta&=dfrac(alphabeta)^2+(betagamma)^2+(gammaalpha)^2alphabetagamma=dfrac(alphabeta+betagamma+gammaalpha)^2-2(alpha^2betagamma+alphabeta^2gamma+alphabetagamma^2)alphabetagamma\&=dfrac(alphabeta+betagamma+gammaalpha)^2alphabetagamma-2(alpha+beta+gamma)=fracp^2-rendaligned
$ - $dfracalphabetagammacdotdfracbetagammaalpha+dfracbetagammaalphacdotdfracgammaalphabeta+dfracgammaalphabetacdotdfracalphabetagamma=alpha^2+beta^2+gamma^2=(alpha+beta+gamma)^2-2(alphabeta+betagamma+gammaalpha)=-2p$
- $dfracalphabetagammacdotdfracbetagammaalphacdotdfracgammaalphabeta=alphabetagamma=-r$
Hence the equation is
$$x^3+fracp^2r x^2-2px+r=0iff rx^3+p^2x^2-2prx+r^2=0.$$
$endgroup$
add a comment |
$begingroup$
You just have to express the elementary symmetric functions of $;dfracalphabetagamma, dfracbetagammaalpha$ and $dfracgammaalphabeta$ with $p, q,r$, then use Vieta's relations.
- $beginaligned[t]dfracalphabetagamma+ dfracbetagammaalpha+dfracgammaalphabeta&=dfrac(alphabeta)^2+(betagamma)^2+(gammaalpha)^2alphabetagamma=dfrac(alphabeta+betagamma+gammaalpha)^2-2(alpha^2betagamma+alphabeta^2gamma+alphabetagamma^2)alphabetagamma\&=dfrac(alphabeta+betagamma+gammaalpha)^2alphabetagamma-2(alpha+beta+gamma)=fracp^2-rendaligned
$ - $dfracalphabetagammacdotdfracbetagammaalpha+dfracbetagammaalphacdotdfracgammaalphabeta+dfracgammaalphabetacdotdfracalphabetagamma=alpha^2+beta^2+gamma^2=(alpha+beta+gamma)^2-2(alphabeta+betagamma+gammaalpha)=-2p$
- $dfracalphabetagammacdotdfracbetagammaalphacdotdfracgammaalphabeta=alphabetagamma=-r$
Hence the equation is
$$x^3+fracp^2r x^2-2px+r=0iff rx^3+p^2x^2-2prx+r^2=0.$$
$endgroup$
You just have to express the elementary symmetric functions of $;dfracalphabetagamma, dfracbetagammaalpha$ and $dfracgammaalphabeta$ with $p, q,r$, then use Vieta's relations.
- $beginaligned[t]dfracalphabetagamma+ dfracbetagammaalpha+dfracgammaalphabeta&=dfrac(alphabeta)^2+(betagamma)^2+(gammaalpha)^2alphabetagamma=dfrac(alphabeta+betagamma+gammaalpha)^2-2(alpha^2betagamma+alphabeta^2gamma+alphabetagamma^2)alphabetagamma\&=dfrac(alphabeta+betagamma+gammaalpha)^2alphabetagamma-2(alpha+beta+gamma)=fracp^2-rendaligned
$ - $dfracalphabetagammacdotdfracbetagammaalpha+dfracbetagammaalphacdotdfracgammaalphabeta+dfracgammaalphabetacdotdfracalphabetagamma=alpha^2+beta^2+gamma^2=(alpha+beta+gamma)^2-2(alphabeta+betagamma+gammaalpha)=-2p$
- $dfracalphabetagammacdotdfracbetagammaalphacdotdfracgammaalphabeta=alphabetagamma=-r$
Hence the equation is
$$x^3+fracp^2r x^2-2px+r=0iff rx^3+p^2x^2-2prx+r^2=0.$$
edited Mar 11 at 9:10
answered Nov 12 '16 at 0:20
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An alternative would be to calculate the symmetric functions for the new roots directly. No square roots involved, but still some calculations.
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– dxiv
Nov 11 '16 at 23:56
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If you are more comfortable with identities, you can try the alternative suggested by @dxiv. Your method, although involving square roots does not have many intermediate side-steps.
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– Shraddheya Shendre
Nov 12 '16 at 0:10
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Is the equation you obtained after substitution correct? I think it should start with $ q^2/t^2 $ and have an additional q on the right hand side. I might also be missing something.
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– Deniz Sargun
Nov 12 '16 at 0:24
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Thank you for spotting that out -- yes I was a bit careless with my algebra!
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– Hugh Entwistle
Nov 12 '16 at 0:37