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Find the Image $2x-3y=0$ given matrix transformation
Find matrix of linear transformation relative to new basesFind the image under $T$ Linear Transformation - Linear Algebrafind the standard matrix for the composition of reflection and rotationFind the matrix of a linear transformationHow do I determine the transformation matrix T of the coordinate transformation from the base E to the base B?Effect of simple linear transformationMatrix associated to a linear transformation given eigenvaluesFinding Matrix representation of linear transformation from rectangular matrix/imageFinding the standard matrix of the transformation, is it unique?Why do you use the inverse matrix to find the image of a curve in the plane?
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Be $M$ the linear transformation represented by matrix $T$:
$$T =
left[ beginmatrix
5 & 2 \
4 & 1 \
endmatrixright ]
$$
Mark the correct answer which show the image by $M$ of the line $2x-3y = 0$
(A) $19x - 8y = 0$
(B) $19x - 14y = 0$ (answer)
(C) $19x -15y = 0$
(D) $15x-14y = 0$
(E) $4x - 5y = 0$
Any hints?
My first attempt was related the tranformation the each coordanaties from line r: 2x-3y = 0 with matrix T.
r as a vector: $vecr = left[beginmatrix 2\-3endmatrixright]$
$vecz = T . vecr = left[beginmatrix 4\-5endmatrixright]$ (wrong)
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Be $M$ the linear transformation represented by matrix $T$:
$$T =
left[ beginmatrix
5 & 2 \
4 & 1 \
endmatrixright ]
$$
Mark the correct answer which show the image by $M$ of the line $2x-3y = 0$
(A) $19x - 8y = 0$
(B) $19x - 14y = 0$ (answer)
(C) $19x -15y = 0$
(D) $15x-14y = 0$
(E) $4x - 5y = 0$
Any hints?
My first attempt was related the tranformation the each coordanaties from line r: 2x-3y = 0 with matrix T.
r as a vector: $vecr = left[beginmatrix 2\-3endmatrixright]$
$vecz = T . vecr = left[beginmatrix 4\-5endmatrixright]$ (wrong)
linear-transformations
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add a comment |
$begingroup$
Be $M$ the linear transformation represented by matrix $T$:
$$T =
left[ beginmatrix
5 & 2 \
4 & 1 \
endmatrixright ]
$$
Mark the correct answer which show the image by $M$ of the line $2x-3y = 0$
(A) $19x - 8y = 0$
(B) $19x - 14y = 0$ (answer)
(C) $19x -15y = 0$
(D) $15x-14y = 0$
(E) $4x - 5y = 0$
Any hints?
My first attempt was related the tranformation the each coordanaties from line r: 2x-3y = 0 with matrix T.
r as a vector: $vecr = left[beginmatrix 2\-3endmatrixright]$
$vecz = T . vecr = left[beginmatrix 4\-5endmatrixright]$ (wrong)
linear-transformations
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Be $M$ the linear transformation represented by matrix $T$:
$$T =
left[ beginmatrix
5 & 2 \
4 & 1 \
endmatrixright ]
$$
Mark the correct answer which show the image by $M$ of the line $2x-3y = 0$
(A) $19x - 8y = 0$
(B) $19x - 14y = 0$ (answer)
(C) $19x -15y = 0$
(D) $15x-14y = 0$
(E) $4x - 5y = 0$
Any hints?
My first attempt was related the tranformation the each coordanaties from line r: 2x-3y = 0 with matrix T.
r as a vector: $vecr = left[beginmatrix 2\-3endmatrixright]$
$vecz = T . vecr = left[beginmatrix 4\-5endmatrixright]$ (wrong)
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The line $2x-3y=0$ defines a subspace. The vector $r$ that you used is orthogonal to this line.
The correct point of view is to look at the line as set of all $(x,y)inmathbb R^2$ such that $(x,y)=(x, frac23x)$ since $y=frac23x$. So it suffices to check where $T$ sends, say $(3,2)$ (which is on the line). Thus, computing
$beginpmatrix 5& 2\ 4& 1endpmatrix beginbmatrix 3\ 2endbmatrix$
should give the answer.
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misunderstand with some concepts but got that point. Thank you anyway
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– miguel747
Mar 15 at 17:57
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You should at least accept this as an answer then.
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– chhro
Mar 15 at 18:08
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The simplest way to obtain the image of the given line
$$2x-3y = 0$$
is to obtain images of its $2$ points - why don't select the natural points $A=[0,0], B=[3,2]$?
Computing their images we obtain
$$left( beginmatrix
5 & 2 \
4 & 1 \
endmatrixright )cdot
left( beginmatrix
0 \
0 \
endmatrixright ) = colorred
left( beginmatrix
0\
0 \
endmatrixright ),quadleft( beginmatrix
5 & 2 \
4 & 1 \
endmatrixright )cdot
left( beginmatrix
3 \
2 \
endmatrixright ) = colorred
left( beginmatrix
19\
14 \
endmatrixright ),$$
Now we write the equation of the line passing through resulting points $colorred(0, 0)$ and $colorred(19, 14)$, obtaining the correct result
$$colorred14x-19y=0,$$
which is similar to your incorrect result (B).
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It might help to think of the problem this way: If you’ve been given some equations that describe the relationship between the pairs of variables $(x,y)$ and $(x',y')$, how might you express the equation $2x-3y=0$ in terms of $x'$ and $y'$? One way is to solve those first equations for $x$ and $y$, then substitute into $2x-3y$ and simplify. In this case, you’re given that $$beginbmatrixx'\y'endbmatrix = T beginbmatrixx\yendbmatrix,tag1$$ so solving for $x$ and $y$ is a simple matter of computing $T^-1$.
You could also work directly with vectors and matrices. The equation of the line can be written as $$beginbmatrix2&-3endbmatrix beginbmatrixx\yendbmatrix = 0tag2$$ (verify this). Substituting from (1) for $[x,y]^T$, this becomes $$beginbmatrix2&-3endbmatrixT^-1beginbmatrixx'\y'endbmatrix = 0tag3,$$ so the coefficients of the transformed equation are the elements of the row vector $$beginbmatrix2&-3endbmatrix beginbmatrix5&2\4&1endbmatrix^-1.$$ I trust that you’re able to compute the value of this expression at this stage of your studies.
Incidentally, the vector $[2,-3]^T$ is orthogonal (normal) to the line. Equation (3) shows that such normal vectors transform differently than do vectors that represent points: If the point transformation is given by $mathbf v' = Mmathbf v$, then a normal vector $mathbf n$ transforms as $mathbf n' = M^-Tmathbf n$. (The $-T$ superscript means “inverse transpose.”)
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But $T$ might not be invertible everytime.
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– chhro
Mar 15 at 22:05
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@chhro That’s no different from not being able to solve for $x$ and $y$ in the first paragraph. In that case, you have to use another method. Happily, $T^-1$ exists in the specific instance. It wasn’t my intent to provide a comprehensive answer replete with obfuscating details. One could quibble that the given line might not pass through the origin, in which case the method in your answer doesn’t quite apply.
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– amd
Mar 15 at 23:15
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Very interesting approach @amd . Ty for take your time to add more details and rich information. :)
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– miguel747
Mar 16 at 1:55
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I'm sure my argument works even if the given line is not a subspace since it is independent of the given linear transformation $T$. It's essentially the idea in MarianD's answer.
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– chhro
Mar 19 at 20:43
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@chhro You’re tacitly taking advantage of the fact that $T(0)=0$. When the line isn’t a subspace, it does not suffice to check where $T$ sends a single point on the line.
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– amd
Mar 19 at 20:47
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STEP 1. Realize that $《x, y》: 2x + 3y = 0$ is a subspace.
STEP 2. find the basis for the subspace. It is $(1, 2/3)$.
STEP 3. Do matrix multiplication.
$$left[ beginmatrix
5 & 2 \
4 & 1 \
endmatrixright ]
left[ beginmatrix
1 \
2/3 \
endmatrixright ] =
left[ beginmatrix
19/3\
14/3 \
endmatrixright ]$$
STEP 4. Translate back into equation form.
$$P_1 = alpha left[ beginmatrix
19/3 \
4/3 \
endmatrixright ]$$ and $$P_2 = beta left[ beginmatrix
19/3 \
4/3 \
endmatrixright ]$$. Plug these two points (interpreting the top entries as x coordinate and bottom entries as y-coordinate). Use the point-slope equation $$y = fracy_2-y_1x_2 - x_1x$$.
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y2 is the y-coordinate of P2. x2 is the x-coordinate of P2. y1 is the y-coordinate of P1. x1 is the x-coordinate of P1.
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– Tomislav Ostojich
Mar 16 at 2:01
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The line $2x-3y=0$ defines a subspace. The vector $r$ that you used is orthogonal to this line.
The correct point of view is to look at the line as set of all $(x,y)inmathbb R^2$ such that $(x,y)=(x, frac23x)$ since $y=frac23x$. So it suffices to check where $T$ sends, say $(3,2)$ (which is on the line). Thus, computing
$beginpmatrix 5& 2\ 4& 1endpmatrix beginbmatrix 3\ 2endbmatrix$
should give the answer.
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$begingroup$
misunderstand with some concepts but got that point. Thank you anyway
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– miguel747
Mar 15 at 17:57
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You should at least accept this as an answer then.
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– chhro
Mar 15 at 18:08
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The line $2x-3y=0$ defines a subspace. The vector $r$ that you used is orthogonal to this line.
The correct point of view is to look at the line as set of all $(x,y)inmathbb R^2$ such that $(x,y)=(x, frac23x)$ since $y=frac23x$. So it suffices to check where $T$ sends, say $(3,2)$ (which is on the line). Thus, computing
$beginpmatrix 5& 2\ 4& 1endpmatrix beginbmatrix 3\ 2endbmatrix$
should give the answer.
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$begingroup$
misunderstand with some concepts but got that point. Thank you anyway
$endgroup$
– miguel747
Mar 15 at 17:57
$begingroup$
You should at least accept this as an answer then.
$endgroup$
– chhro
Mar 15 at 18:08
add a comment |
$begingroup$
The line $2x-3y=0$ defines a subspace. The vector $r$ that you used is orthogonal to this line.
The correct point of view is to look at the line as set of all $(x,y)inmathbb R^2$ such that $(x,y)=(x, frac23x)$ since $y=frac23x$. So it suffices to check where $T$ sends, say $(3,2)$ (which is on the line). Thus, computing
$beginpmatrix 5& 2\ 4& 1endpmatrix beginbmatrix 3\ 2endbmatrix$
should give the answer.
$endgroup$
The line $2x-3y=0$ defines a subspace. The vector $r$ that you used is orthogonal to this line.
The correct point of view is to look at the line as set of all $(x,y)inmathbb R^2$ such that $(x,y)=(x, frac23x)$ since $y=frac23x$. So it suffices to check where $T$ sends, say $(3,2)$ (which is on the line). Thus, computing
$beginpmatrix 5& 2\ 4& 1endpmatrix beginbmatrix 3\ 2endbmatrix$
should give the answer.
answered Mar 15 at 17:48
chhrochhro
1,434311
1,434311
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misunderstand with some concepts but got that point. Thank you anyway
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– miguel747
Mar 15 at 17:57
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You should at least accept this as an answer then.
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– chhro
Mar 15 at 18:08
add a comment |
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misunderstand with some concepts but got that point. Thank you anyway
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– miguel747
Mar 15 at 17:57
$begingroup$
You should at least accept this as an answer then.
$endgroup$
– chhro
Mar 15 at 18:08
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misunderstand with some concepts but got that point. Thank you anyway
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– miguel747
Mar 15 at 17:57
$begingroup$
misunderstand with some concepts but got that point. Thank you anyway
$endgroup$
– miguel747
Mar 15 at 17:57
$begingroup$
You should at least accept this as an answer then.
$endgroup$
– chhro
Mar 15 at 18:08
$begingroup$
You should at least accept this as an answer then.
$endgroup$
– chhro
Mar 15 at 18:08
add a comment |
$begingroup$
The simplest way to obtain the image of the given line
$$2x-3y = 0$$
is to obtain images of its $2$ points - why don't select the natural points $A=[0,0], B=[3,2]$?
Computing their images we obtain
$$left( beginmatrix
5 & 2 \
4 & 1 \
endmatrixright )cdot
left( beginmatrix
0 \
0 \
endmatrixright ) = colorred
left( beginmatrix
0\
0 \
endmatrixright ),quadleft( beginmatrix
5 & 2 \
4 & 1 \
endmatrixright )cdot
left( beginmatrix
3 \
2 \
endmatrixright ) = colorred
left( beginmatrix
19\
14 \
endmatrixright ),$$
Now we write the equation of the line passing through resulting points $colorred(0, 0)$ and $colorred(19, 14)$, obtaining the correct result
$$colorred14x-19y=0,$$
which is similar to your incorrect result (B).
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$begingroup$
The simplest way to obtain the image of the given line
$$2x-3y = 0$$
is to obtain images of its $2$ points - why don't select the natural points $A=[0,0], B=[3,2]$?
Computing their images we obtain
$$left( beginmatrix
5 & 2 \
4 & 1 \
endmatrixright )cdot
left( beginmatrix
0 \
0 \
endmatrixright ) = colorred
left( beginmatrix
0\
0 \
endmatrixright ),quadleft( beginmatrix
5 & 2 \
4 & 1 \
endmatrixright )cdot
left( beginmatrix
3 \
2 \
endmatrixright ) = colorred
left( beginmatrix
19\
14 \
endmatrixright ),$$
Now we write the equation of the line passing through resulting points $colorred(0, 0)$ and $colorred(19, 14)$, obtaining the correct result
$$colorred14x-19y=0,$$
which is similar to your incorrect result (B).
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add a comment |
$begingroup$
The simplest way to obtain the image of the given line
$$2x-3y = 0$$
is to obtain images of its $2$ points - why don't select the natural points $A=[0,0], B=[3,2]$?
Computing their images we obtain
$$left( beginmatrix
5 & 2 \
4 & 1 \
endmatrixright )cdot
left( beginmatrix
0 \
0 \
endmatrixright ) = colorred
left( beginmatrix
0\
0 \
endmatrixright ),quadleft( beginmatrix
5 & 2 \
4 & 1 \
endmatrixright )cdot
left( beginmatrix
3 \
2 \
endmatrixright ) = colorred
left( beginmatrix
19\
14 \
endmatrixright ),$$
Now we write the equation of the line passing through resulting points $colorred(0, 0)$ and $colorred(19, 14)$, obtaining the correct result
$$colorred14x-19y=0,$$
which is similar to your incorrect result (B).
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The simplest way to obtain the image of the given line
$$2x-3y = 0$$
is to obtain images of its $2$ points - why don't select the natural points $A=[0,0], B=[3,2]$?
Computing their images we obtain
$$left( beginmatrix
5 & 2 \
4 & 1 \
endmatrixright )cdot
left( beginmatrix
0 \
0 \
endmatrixright ) = colorred
left( beginmatrix
0\
0 \
endmatrixright ),quadleft( beginmatrix
5 & 2 \
4 & 1 \
endmatrixright )cdot
left( beginmatrix
3 \
2 \
endmatrixright ) = colorred
left( beginmatrix
19\
14 \
endmatrixright ),$$
Now we write the equation of the line passing through resulting points $colorred(0, 0)$ and $colorred(19, 14)$, obtaining the correct result
$$colorred14x-19y=0,$$
which is similar to your incorrect result (B).
edited Mar 16 at 2:44
answered Mar 16 at 2:04
MarianDMarianD
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It might help to think of the problem this way: If you’ve been given some equations that describe the relationship between the pairs of variables $(x,y)$ and $(x',y')$, how might you express the equation $2x-3y=0$ in terms of $x'$ and $y'$? One way is to solve those first equations for $x$ and $y$, then substitute into $2x-3y$ and simplify. In this case, you’re given that $$beginbmatrixx'\y'endbmatrix = T beginbmatrixx\yendbmatrix,tag1$$ so solving for $x$ and $y$ is a simple matter of computing $T^-1$.
You could also work directly with vectors and matrices. The equation of the line can be written as $$beginbmatrix2&-3endbmatrix beginbmatrixx\yendbmatrix = 0tag2$$ (verify this). Substituting from (1) for $[x,y]^T$, this becomes $$beginbmatrix2&-3endbmatrixT^-1beginbmatrixx'\y'endbmatrix = 0tag3,$$ so the coefficients of the transformed equation are the elements of the row vector $$beginbmatrix2&-3endbmatrix beginbmatrix5&2\4&1endbmatrix^-1.$$ I trust that you’re able to compute the value of this expression at this stage of your studies.
Incidentally, the vector $[2,-3]^T$ is orthogonal (normal) to the line. Equation (3) shows that such normal vectors transform differently than do vectors that represent points: If the point transformation is given by $mathbf v' = Mmathbf v$, then a normal vector $mathbf n$ transforms as $mathbf n' = M^-Tmathbf n$. (The $-T$ superscript means “inverse transpose.”)
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But $T$ might not be invertible everytime.
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– chhro
Mar 15 at 22:05
$begingroup$
@chhro That’s no different from not being able to solve for $x$ and $y$ in the first paragraph. In that case, you have to use another method. Happily, $T^-1$ exists in the specific instance. It wasn’t my intent to provide a comprehensive answer replete with obfuscating details. One could quibble that the given line might not pass through the origin, in which case the method in your answer doesn’t quite apply.
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– amd
Mar 15 at 23:15
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Very interesting approach @amd . Ty for take your time to add more details and rich information. :)
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– miguel747
Mar 16 at 1:55
$begingroup$
I'm sure my argument works even if the given line is not a subspace since it is independent of the given linear transformation $T$. It's essentially the idea in MarianD's answer.
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– chhro
Mar 19 at 20:43
$begingroup$
@chhro You’re tacitly taking advantage of the fact that $T(0)=0$. When the line isn’t a subspace, it does not suffice to check where $T$ sends a single point on the line.
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– amd
Mar 19 at 20:47
|
show 3 more comments
$begingroup$
It might help to think of the problem this way: If you’ve been given some equations that describe the relationship between the pairs of variables $(x,y)$ and $(x',y')$, how might you express the equation $2x-3y=0$ in terms of $x'$ and $y'$? One way is to solve those first equations for $x$ and $y$, then substitute into $2x-3y$ and simplify. In this case, you’re given that $$beginbmatrixx'\y'endbmatrix = T beginbmatrixx\yendbmatrix,tag1$$ so solving for $x$ and $y$ is a simple matter of computing $T^-1$.
You could also work directly with vectors and matrices. The equation of the line can be written as $$beginbmatrix2&-3endbmatrix beginbmatrixx\yendbmatrix = 0tag2$$ (verify this). Substituting from (1) for $[x,y]^T$, this becomes $$beginbmatrix2&-3endbmatrixT^-1beginbmatrixx'\y'endbmatrix = 0tag3,$$ so the coefficients of the transformed equation are the elements of the row vector $$beginbmatrix2&-3endbmatrix beginbmatrix5&2\4&1endbmatrix^-1.$$ I trust that you’re able to compute the value of this expression at this stage of your studies.
Incidentally, the vector $[2,-3]^T$ is orthogonal (normal) to the line. Equation (3) shows that such normal vectors transform differently than do vectors that represent points: If the point transformation is given by $mathbf v' = Mmathbf v$, then a normal vector $mathbf n$ transforms as $mathbf n' = M^-Tmathbf n$. (The $-T$ superscript means “inverse transpose.”)
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But $T$ might not be invertible everytime.
$endgroup$
– chhro
Mar 15 at 22:05
$begingroup$
@chhro That’s no different from not being able to solve for $x$ and $y$ in the first paragraph. In that case, you have to use another method. Happily, $T^-1$ exists in the specific instance. It wasn’t my intent to provide a comprehensive answer replete with obfuscating details. One could quibble that the given line might not pass through the origin, in which case the method in your answer doesn’t quite apply.
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– amd
Mar 15 at 23:15
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Very interesting approach @amd . Ty for take your time to add more details and rich information. :)
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– miguel747
Mar 16 at 1:55
$begingroup$
I'm sure my argument works even if the given line is not a subspace since it is independent of the given linear transformation $T$. It's essentially the idea in MarianD's answer.
$endgroup$
– chhro
Mar 19 at 20:43
$begingroup$
@chhro You’re tacitly taking advantage of the fact that $T(0)=0$. When the line isn’t a subspace, it does not suffice to check where $T$ sends a single point on the line.
$endgroup$
– amd
Mar 19 at 20:47
|
show 3 more comments
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It might help to think of the problem this way: If you’ve been given some equations that describe the relationship between the pairs of variables $(x,y)$ and $(x',y')$, how might you express the equation $2x-3y=0$ in terms of $x'$ and $y'$? One way is to solve those first equations for $x$ and $y$, then substitute into $2x-3y$ and simplify. In this case, you’re given that $$beginbmatrixx'\y'endbmatrix = T beginbmatrixx\yendbmatrix,tag1$$ so solving for $x$ and $y$ is a simple matter of computing $T^-1$.
You could also work directly with vectors and matrices. The equation of the line can be written as $$beginbmatrix2&-3endbmatrix beginbmatrixx\yendbmatrix = 0tag2$$ (verify this). Substituting from (1) for $[x,y]^T$, this becomes $$beginbmatrix2&-3endbmatrixT^-1beginbmatrixx'\y'endbmatrix = 0tag3,$$ so the coefficients of the transformed equation are the elements of the row vector $$beginbmatrix2&-3endbmatrix beginbmatrix5&2\4&1endbmatrix^-1.$$ I trust that you’re able to compute the value of this expression at this stage of your studies.
Incidentally, the vector $[2,-3]^T$ is orthogonal (normal) to the line. Equation (3) shows that such normal vectors transform differently than do vectors that represent points: If the point transformation is given by $mathbf v' = Mmathbf v$, then a normal vector $mathbf n$ transforms as $mathbf n' = M^-Tmathbf n$. (The $-T$ superscript means “inverse transpose.”)
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It might help to think of the problem this way: If you’ve been given some equations that describe the relationship between the pairs of variables $(x,y)$ and $(x',y')$, how might you express the equation $2x-3y=0$ in terms of $x'$ and $y'$? One way is to solve those first equations for $x$ and $y$, then substitute into $2x-3y$ and simplify. In this case, you’re given that $$beginbmatrixx'\y'endbmatrix = T beginbmatrixx\yendbmatrix,tag1$$ so solving for $x$ and $y$ is a simple matter of computing $T^-1$.
You could also work directly with vectors and matrices. The equation of the line can be written as $$beginbmatrix2&-3endbmatrix beginbmatrixx\yendbmatrix = 0tag2$$ (verify this). Substituting from (1) for $[x,y]^T$, this becomes $$beginbmatrix2&-3endbmatrixT^-1beginbmatrixx'\y'endbmatrix = 0tag3,$$ so the coefficients of the transformed equation are the elements of the row vector $$beginbmatrix2&-3endbmatrix beginbmatrix5&2\4&1endbmatrix^-1.$$ I trust that you’re able to compute the value of this expression at this stage of your studies.
Incidentally, the vector $[2,-3]^T$ is orthogonal (normal) to the line. Equation (3) shows that such normal vectors transform differently than do vectors that represent points: If the point transformation is given by $mathbf v' = Mmathbf v$, then a normal vector $mathbf n$ transforms as $mathbf n' = M^-Tmathbf n$. (The $-T$ superscript means “inverse transpose.”)
answered Mar 15 at 19:53
amdamd
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But $T$ might not be invertible everytime.
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– chhro
Mar 15 at 22:05
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@chhro That’s no different from not being able to solve for $x$ and $y$ in the first paragraph. In that case, you have to use another method. Happily, $T^-1$ exists in the specific instance. It wasn’t my intent to provide a comprehensive answer replete with obfuscating details. One could quibble that the given line might not pass through the origin, in which case the method in your answer doesn’t quite apply.
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– amd
Mar 15 at 23:15
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Very interesting approach @amd . Ty for take your time to add more details and rich information. :)
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– miguel747
Mar 16 at 1:55
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I'm sure my argument works even if the given line is not a subspace since it is independent of the given linear transformation $T$. It's essentially the idea in MarianD's answer.
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– chhro
Mar 19 at 20:43
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@chhro You’re tacitly taking advantage of the fact that $T(0)=0$. When the line isn’t a subspace, it does not suffice to check where $T$ sends a single point on the line.
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– amd
Mar 19 at 20:47
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But $T$ might not be invertible everytime.
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– chhro
Mar 15 at 22:05
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@chhro That’s no different from not being able to solve for $x$ and $y$ in the first paragraph. In that case, you have to use another method. Happily, $T^-1$ exists in the specific instance. It wasn’t my intent to provide a comprehensive answer replete with obfuscating details. One could quibble that the given line might not pass through the origin, in which case the method in your answer doesn’t quite apply.
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– amd
Mar 15 at 23:15
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Very interesting approach @amd . Ty for take your time to add more details and rich information. :)
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– miguel747
Mar 16 at 1:55
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I'm sure my argument works even if the given line is not a subspace since it is independent of the given linear transformation $T$. It's essentially the idea in MarianD's answer.
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– chhro
Mar 19 at 20:43
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@chhro You’re tacitly taking advantage of the fact that $T(0)=0$. When the line isn’t a subspace, it does not suffice to check where $T$ sends a single point on the line.
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– amd
Mar 19 at 20:47
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But $T$ might not be invertible everytime.
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– chhro
Mar 15 at 22:05
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But $T$ might not be invertible everytime.
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– chhro
Mar 15 at 22:05
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@chhro That’s no different from not being able to solve for $x$ and $y$ in the first paragraph. In that case, you have to use another method. Happily, $T^-1$ exists in the specific instance. It wasn’t my intent to provide a comprehensive answer replete with obfuscating details. One could quibble that the given line might not pass through the origin, in which case the method in your answer doesn’t quite apply.
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– amd
Mar 15 at 23:15
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@chhro That’s no different from not being able to solve for $x$ and $y$ in the first paragraph. In that case, you have to use another method. Happily, $T^-1$ exists in the specific instance. It wasn’t my intent to provide a comprehensive answer replete with obfuscating details. One could quibble that the given line might not pass through the origin, in which case the method in your answer doesn’t quite apply.
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– amd
Mar 15 at 23:15
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Very interesting approach @amd . Ty for take your time to add more details and rich information. :)
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– miguel747
Mar 16 at 1:55
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Very interesting approach @amd . Ty for take your time to add more details and rich information. :)
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– miguel747
Mar 16 at 1:55
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I'm sure my argument works even if the given line is not a subspace since it is independent of the given linear transformation $T$. It's essentially the idea in MarianD's answer.
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– chhro
Mar 19 at 20:43
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I'm sure my argument works even if the given line is not a subspace since it is independent of the given linear transformation $T$. It's essentially the idea in MarianD's answer.
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– chhro
Mar 19 at 20:43
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@chhro You’re tacitly taking advantage of the fact that $T(0)=0$. When the line isn’t a subspace, it does not suffice to check where $T$ sends a single point on the line.
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– amd
Mar 19 at 20:47
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@chhro You’re tacitly taking advantage of the fact that $T(0)=0$. When the line isn’t a subspace, it does not suffice to check where $T$ sends a single point on the line.
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– amd
Mar 19 at 20:47
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STEP 1. Realize that $《x, y》: 2x + 3y = 0$ is a subspace.
STEP 2. find the basis for the subspace. It is $(1, 2/3)$.
STEP 3. Do matrix multiplication.
$$left[ beginmatrix
5 & 2 \
4 & 1 \
endmatrixright ]
left[ beginmatrix
1 \
2/3 \
endmatrixright ] =
left[ beginmatrix
19/3\
14/3 \
endmatrixright ]$$
STEP 4. Translate back into equation form.
$$P_1 = alpha left[ beginmatrix
19/3 \
4/3 \
endmatrixright ]$$ and $$P_2 = beta left[ beginmatrix
19/3 \
4/3 \
endmatrixright ]$$. Plug these two points (interpreting the top entries as x coordinate and bottom entries as y-coordinate). Use the point-slope equation $$y = fracy_2-y_1x_2 - x_1x$$.
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y2 is the y-coordinate of P2. x2 is the x-coordinate of P2. y1 is the y-coordinate of P1. x1 is the x-coordinate of P1.
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– Tomislav Ostojich
Mar 16 at 2:01
add a comment |
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STEP 1. Realize that $《x, y》: 2x + 3y = 0$ is a subspace.
STEP 2. find the basis for the subspace. It is $(1, 2/3)$.
STEP 3. Do matrix multiplication.
$$left[ beginmatrix
5 & 2 \
4 & 1 \
endmatrixright ]
left[ beginmatrix
1 \
2/3 \
endmatrixright ] =
left[ beginmatrix
19/3\
14/3 \
endmatrixright ]$$
STEP 4. Translate back into equation form.
$$P_1 = alpha left[ beginmatrix
19/3 \
4/3 \
endmatrixright ]$$ and $$P_2 = beta left[ beginmatrix
19/3 \
4/3 \
endmatrixright ]$$. Plug these two points (interpreting the top entries as x coordinate and bottom entries as y-coordinate). Use the point-slope equation $$y = fracy_2-y_1x_2 - x_1x$$.
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1
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y2 is the y-coordinate of P2. x2 is the x-coordinate of P2. y1 is the y-coordinate of P1. x1 is the x-coordinate of P1.
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– Tomislav Ostojich
Mar 16 at 2:01
add a comment |
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STEP 1. Realize that $《x, y》: 2x + 3y = 0$ is a subspace.
STEP 2. find the basis for the subspace. It is $(1, 2/3)$.
STEP 3. Do matrix multiplication.
$$left[ beginmatrix
5 & 2 \
4 & 1 \
endmatrixright ]
left[ beginmatrix
1 \
2/3 \
endmatrixright ] =
left[ beginmatrix
19/3\
14/3 \
endmatrixright ]$$
STEP 4. Translate back into equation form.
$$P_1 = alpha left[ beginmatrix
19/3 \
4/3 \
endmatrixright ]$$ and $$P_2 = beta left[ beginmatrix
19/3 \
4/3 \
endmatrixright ]$$. Plug these two points (interpreting the top entries as x coordinate and bottom entries as y-coordinate). Use the point-slope equation $$y = fracy_2-y_1x_2 - x_1x$$.
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STEP 1. Realize that $《x, y》: 2x + 3y = 0$ is a subspace.
STEP 2. find the basis for the subspace. It is $(1, 2/3)$.
STEP 3. Do matrix multiplication.
$$left[ beginmatrix
5 & 2 \
4 & 1 \
endmatrixright ]
left[ beginmatrix
1 \
2/3 \
endmatrixright ] =
left[ beginmatrix
19/3\
14/3 \
endmatrixright ]$$
STEP 4. Translate back into equation form.
$$P_1 = alpha left[ beginmatrix
19/3 \
4/3 \
endmatrixright ]$$ and $$P_2 = beta left[ beginmatrix
19/3 \
4/3 \
endmatrixright ]$$. Plug these two points (interpreting the top entries as x coordinate and bottom entries as y-coordinate). Use the point-slope equation $$y = fracy_2-y_1x_2 - x_1x$$.
edited Mar 16 at 2:01
answered Mar 16 at 1:00
Tomislav OstojichTomislav Ostojich
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y2 is the y-coordinate of P2. x2 is the x-coordinate of P2. y1 is the y-coordinate of P1. x1 is the x-coordinate of P1.
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– Tomislav Ostojich
Mar 16 at 2:01
add a comment |
1
$begingroup$
y2 is the y-coordinate of P2. x2 is the x-coordinate of P2. y1 is the y-coordinate of P1. x1 is the x-coordinate of P1.
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– Tomislav Ostojich
Mar 16 at 2:01
1
1
$begingroup$
y2 is the y-coordinate of P2. x2 is the x-coordinate of P2. y1 is the y-coordinate of P1. x1 is the x-coordinate of P1.
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– Tomislav Ostojich
Mar 16 at 2:01
$begingroup$
y2 is the y-coordinate of P2. x2 is the x-coordinate of P2. y1 is the y-coordinate of P1. x1 is the x-coordinate of P1.
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– Tomislav Ostojich
Mar 16 at 2:01
add a comment |
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