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Take any norm, $|cdot|$on $mathbbR^n,$ and consider the resulting norm on $SL_n(mathbbR)$:



$$|A|:= supAv.$$



Now take any left-invariant Riemannian metric, $g$, on $SL_n$. How do the geodesic balls, $B_g(I, r)$ around the identity matrix, $I$, compare with the metric balls, $B_(I,r)$ coming from $|cdot|$? In particular do there exist $c, C$ such that $$B_(I,cr)subset B_g(I, r) subset B_(I,Cr)$$ for all sufficiently small $r$? Or anything of the sort?










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    Take any norm, $|cdot|$on $mathbbR^n,$ and consider the resulting norm on $SL_n(mathbbR)$:



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    Now take any left-invariant Riemannian metric, $g$, on $SL_n$. How do the geodesic balls, $B_g(I, r)$ around the identity matrix, $I$, compare with the metric balls, $B_(I,r)$ coming from $|cdot|$? In particular do there exist $c, C$ such that $$B_(I,cr)subset B_g(I, r) subset B_(I,Cr)$$ for all sufficiently small $r$? Or anything of the sort?










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      Take any norm, $|cdot|$on $mathbbR^n,$ and consider the resulting norm on $SL_n(mathbbR)$:



      $$|A|:= supAv.$$



      Now take any left-invariant Riemannian metric, $g$, on $SL_n$. How do the geodesic balls, $B_g(I, r)$ around the identity matrix, $I$, compare with the metric balls, $B_(I,r)$ coming from $|cdot|$? In particular do there exist $c, C$ such that $$B_(I,cr)subset B_g(I, r) subset B_(I,Cr)$$ for all sufficiently small $r$? Or anything of the sort?










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      Take any norm, $|cdot|$on $mathbbR^n,$ and consider the resulting norm on $SL_n(mathbbR)$:



      $$|A|:= supAv.$$



      Now take any left-invariant Riemannian metric, $g$, on $SL_n$. How do the geodesic balls, $B_g(I, r)$ around the identity matrix, $I$, compare with the metric balls, $B_(I,r)$ coming from $|cdot|$? In particular do there exist $c, C$ such that $$B_(I,cr)subset B_g(I, r) subset B_(I,Cr)$$ for all sufficiently small $r$? Or anything of the sort?







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          Here's what I see in Einsiedler-Ward:



          Your norm on $SL_n(mathbbR)$ is induced by the operator norm on the vector space $M_n(mathbbR)$. Being a norm on a finite-dimensional vector space, it is equivalent to the euclidean norm $|cdot|$ on $M_n(mathbbR)$.



          Now any left-invariant Riemannian metric $langle ,rangle$ on $TG=Gtimes mathfrakg$ is determined by its restriction to $TG_I=Itimes mathfrakg cong mathfrakg subset M_n(mathbbR)$. Without loss of generality, we can assume that the Riemannian metric restricted to $mathfrakg$ is induced by the euclidean norm on $M_n(mathbbR).$ Let $d$ be the distance on $G$ induced by the path integral formula of $langle , rangle$.



          Let $B$ be a pre-compact neighbourhood of $I$ in $G$ where the local inverse ($log$) of the exponential map is defined. Assume $log(B)$ is a convex ball in $mathfrakg$. Let $B'$ be another pre-compact neighbourhood containing the closure of $B$.



          Say $phi:[0,1] to B'$ joins $g_0, g_1 in B$. Then since the norm of $phi(t)$ is bounded, we get $c>0$ (independent of $g_0,g_1$) such that



          $$L(phi):= intlangle Dphi(t), Dphi(t) rangle^1/2dt = int leftlangle DL^-1_phi(t)circ Dphi(t), DL^-1_phi(t)circ Dphi(t)rightrangle^1/2 dt = int |phi(t)^-1phi'(t)| dt
          \ geq cint|phi'(t)|dt geq c| g_1-g_0|.$$



          This shows that $c|g_1-g_0| leq d(g_0,g_1)$ if the infimum of path integrals is taken over paths which remain in $B'$. But since $dleft(B,(B')^cright)>0,$ we can assume that this estimate holds in general. Hence for all $g_0,g_1 in B$, we have



          beginequation
          c|g_1-g_0| leq d(g_0,g_1) qquad (1)
          endequation



          and it remains to show a reverse inequality.



          Consider the path $phi:[0,1] to B$ given by $t mapsto expleft(log g_0 + t(log g_1-log g_0)right)$. This is well defined since we assumed $log(B)$ was a convex ball in $mathfrakg$. Then, since the norm of $phi(t)^-1$ is bounded, and since $d(exp)$ is bounded in $log(B)$ and since $log$ is Lipschitz (by the mean value theorem) in a neighbourhood of $I$,



          $$d(g_0,g_1) leq intlangle Dphi(t), Dphi(t) rangle^1/2dt = int |phi(t)^-1phi'(t)|dt leq int C_1|phi'(t)|dt leq C_1C_2|g_1-g_0|$$



          for some $C_1, C_2>0$ (independent of $g_0, g_1$). Hence for all $g_0,g_1in B$, we have



          $$ d(g_0,g_1) leq C |g_0-g_1|. qquad (2)$$






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          I can prove the following. If $h$ denotes the metric on $SL(n,mathbbR)$ coming from the operator norm, and $h_1$ denotes a left-invariant metric on $SL(n,mathbbR)$, then, at $g in SL(n,mathbbR)$, and for any vector $x$ tangent to $SL(n,mathbbR)$ at $g$, we have:



          $h(x,x) leq |g|^2 h_1(x,x)$



          I just used left translations, and things like that. If interested, I can write some more details. Also, one can prove (using the equivalence of any 2 norms on a finite-dimensional vector space) that there is a $C>0$ such that:



          $h_1(x,x) <= C |g^-1|^2 h(x,x)$.



          Hence, if $|g|$ and $|g^-1|$ are bounded above by some constants, then the two metrics induce uniformly equivalent norms on the tangent spaces of that region. In particular, there exists a neighborhood of the identity in $SL(n,mathbbR)$ for which the two geodesic distances are equivalent.






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            Thanks for your answer. By $h(x,x)$ do you just mean the square of the operator norm of $x$, thinking of $x$ as a matrix acting on $mathbbR^n$ (let's assume g=e)?
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            Tim kinsella: yes correct, this is what I mean.
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            Thanks again. I don't completely understand the last paragraph. If we were talking about two Riemannian metrics which induced uniformly equivalent norms in a neighborhood of $e$, then I think I would be able to fill in the details. But let me ponder a little more.
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            Tim kinsella: I must admit the last paragraph in my answer is not written in a clear way! However the 2 inequalities should give you what you were hoping for. In any case, I can provide you with more details if you want, in particular the proofs of the 2 inequalities, if you want, or how you use them.
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          Here's what I see in Einsiedler-Ward:



          Your norm on $SL_n(mathbbR)$ is induced by the operator norm on the vector space $M_n(mathbbR)$. Being a norm on a finite-dimensional vector space, it is equivalent to the euclidean norm $|cdot|$ on $M_n(mathbbR)$.



          Now any left-invariant Riemannian metric $langle ,rangle$ on $TG=Gtimes mathfrakg$ is determined by its restriction to $TG_I=Itimes mathfrakg cong mathfrakg subset M_n(mathbbR)$. Without loss of generality, we can assume that the Riemannian metric restricted to $mathfrakg$ is induced by the euclidean norm on $M_n(mathbbR).$ Let $d$ be the distance on $G$ induced by the path integral formula of $langle , rangle$.



          Let $B$ be a pre-compact neighbourhood of $I$ in $G$ where the local inverse ($log$) of the exponential map is defined. Assume $log(B)$ is a convex ball in $mathfrakg$. Let $B'$ be another pre-compact neighbourhood containing the closure of $B$.



          Say $phi:[0,1] to B'$ joins $g_0, g_1 in B$. Then since the norm of $phi(t)$ is bounded, we get $c>0$ (independent of $g_0,g_1$) such that



          $$L(phi):= intlangle Dphi(t), Dphi(t) rangle^1/2dt = int leftlangle DL^-1_phi(t)circ Dphi(t), DL^-1_phi(t)circ Dphi(t)rightrangle^1/2 dt = int |phi(t)^-1phi'(t)| dt
          \ geq cint|phi'(t)|dt geq c| g_1-g_0|.$$



          This shows that $c|g_1-g_0| leq d(g_0,g_1)$ if the infimum of path integrals is taken over paths which remain in $B'$. But since $dleft(B,(B')^cright)>0,$ we can assume that this estimate holds in general. Hence for all $g_0,g_1 in B$, we have



          beginequation
          c|g_1-g_0| leq d(g_0,g_1) qquad (1)
          endequation



          and it remains to show a reverse inequality.



          Consider the path $phi:[0,1] to B$ given by $t mapsto expleft(log g_0 + t(log g_1-log g_0)right)$. This is well defined since we assumed $log(B)$ was a convex ball in $mathfrakg$. Then, since the norm of $phi(t)^-1$ is bounded, and since $d(exp)$ is bounded in $log(B)$ and since $log$ is Lipschitz (by the mean value theorem) in a neighbourhood of $I$,



          $$d(g_0,g_1) leq intlangle Dphi(t), Dphi(t) rangle^1/2dt = int |phi(t)^-1phi'(t)|dt leq int C_1|phi'(t)|dt leq C_1C_2|g_1-g_0|$$



          for some $C_1, C_2>0$ (independent of $g_0, g_1$). Hence for all $g_0,g_1in B$, we have



          $$ d(g_0,g_1) leq C |g_0-g_1|. qquad (2)$$






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          Here's what I see in Einsiedler-Ward:



          Your norm on $SL_n(mathbbR)$ is induced by the operator norm on the vector space $M_n(mathbbR)$. Being a norm on a finite-dimensional vector space, it is equivalent to the euclidean norm $|cdot|$ on $M_n(mathbbR)$.



          Now any left-invariant Riemannian metric $langle ,rangle$ on $TG=Gtimes mathfrakg$ is determined by its restriction to $TG_I=Itimes mathfrakg cong mathfrakg subset M_n(mathbbR)$. Without loss of generality, we can assume that the Riemannian metric restricted to $mathfrakg$ is induced by the euclidean norm on $M_n(mathbbR).$ Let $d$ be the distance on $G$ induced by the path integral formula of $langle , rangle$.



          Let $B$ be a pre-compact neighbourhood of $I$ in $G$ where the local inverse ($log$) of the exponential map is defined. Assume $log(B)$ is a convex ball in $mathfrakg$. Let $B'$ be another pre-compact neighbourhood containing the closure of $B$.



          Say $phi:[0,1] to B'$ joins $g_0, g_1 in B$. Then since the norm of $phi(t)$ is bounded, we get $c>0$ (independent of $g_0,g_1$) such that



          $$L(phi):= intlangle Dphi(t), Dphi(t) rangle^1/2dt = int leftlangle DL^-1_phi(t)circ Dphi(t), DL^-1_phi(t)circ Dphi(t)rightrangle^1/2 dt = int |phi(t)^-1phi'(t)| dt
          \ geq cint|phi'(t)|dt geq c| g_1-g_0|.$$



          This shows that $c|g_1-g_0| leq d(g_0,g_1)$ if the infimum of path integrals is taken over paths which remain in $B'$. But since $dleft(B,(B')^cright)>0,$ we can assume that this estimate holds in general. Hence for all $g_0,g_1 in B$, we have



          beginequation
          c|g_1-g_0| leq d(g_0,g_1) qquad (1)
          endequation



          and it remains to show a reverse inequality.



          Consider the path $phi:[0,1] to B$ given by $t mapsto expleft(log g_0 + t(log g_1-log g_0)right)$. This is well defined since we assumed $log(B)$ was a convex ball in $mathfrakg$. Then, since the norm of $phi(t)^-1$ is bounded, and since $d(exp)$ is bounded in $log(B)$ and since $log$ is Lipschitz (by the mean value theorem) in a neighbourhood of $I$,



          $$d(g_0,g_1) leq intlangle Dphi(t), Dphi(t) rangle^1/2dt = int |phi(t)^-1phi'(t)|dt leq int C_1|phi'(t)|dt leq C_1C_2|g_1-g_0|$$



          for some $C_1, C_2>0$ (independent of $g_0, g_1$). Hence for all $g_0,g_1in B$, we have



          $$ d(g_0,g_1) leq C |g_0-g_1|. qquad (2)$$






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          Here's what I see in Einsiedler-Ward:



          Your norm on $SL_n(mathbbR)$ is induced by the operator norm on the vector space $M_n(mathbbR)$. Being a norm on a finite-dimensional vector space, it is equivalent to the euclidean norm $|cdot|$ on $M_n(mathbbR)$.



          Now any left-invariant Riemannian metric $langle ,rangle$ on $TG=Gtimes mathfrakg$ is determined by its restriction to $TG_I=Itimes mathfrakg cong mathfrakg subset M_n(mathbbR)$. Without loss of generality, we can assume that the Riemannian metric restricted to $mathfrakg$ is induced by the euclidean norm on $M_n(mathbbR).$ Let $d$ be the distance on $G$ induced by the path integral formula of $langle , rangle$.



          Let $B$ be a pre-compact neighbourhood of $I$ in $G$ where the local inverse ($log$) of the exponential map is defined. Assume $log(B)$ is a convex ball in $mathfrakg$. Let $B'$ be another pre-compact neighbourhood containing the closure of $B$.



          Say $phi:[0,1] to B'$ joins $g_0, g_1 in B$. Then since the norm of $phi(t)$ is bounded, we get $c>0$ (independent of $g_0,g_1$) such that



          $$L(phi):= intlangle Dphi(t), Dphi(t) rangle^1/2dt = int leftlangle DL^-1_phi(t)circ Dphi(t), DL^-1_phi(t)circ Dphi(t)rightrangle^1/2 dt = int |phi(t)^-1phi'(t)| dt
          \ geq cint|phi'(t)|dt geq c| g_1-g_0|.$$



          This shows that $c|g_1-g_0| leq d(g_0,g_1)$ if the infimum of path integrals is taken over paths which remain in $B'$. But since $dleft(B,(B')^cright)>0,$ we can assume that this estimate holds in general. Hence for all $g_0,g_1 in B$, we have



          beginequation
          c|g_1-g_0| leq d(g_0,g_1) qquad (1)
          endequation



          and it remains to show a reverse inequality.



          Consider the path $phi:[0,1] to B$ given by $t mapsto expleft(log g_0 + t(log g_1-log g_0)right)$. This is well defined since we assumed $log(B)$ was a convex ball in $mathfrakg$. Then, since the norm of $phi(t)^-1$ is bounded, and since $d(exp)$ is bounded in $log(B)$ and since $log$ is Lipschitz (by the mean value theorem) in a neighbourhood of $I$,



          $$d(g_0,g_1) leq intlangle Dphi(t), Dphi(t) rangle^1/2dt = int |phi(t)^-1phi'(t)|dt leq int C_1|phi'(t)|dt leq C_1C_2|g_1-g_0|$$



          for some $C_1, C_2>0$ (independent of $g_0, g_1$). Hence for all $g_0,g_1in B$, we have



          $$ d(g_0,g_1) leq C |g_0-g_1|. qquad (2)$$






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          Here's what I see in Einsiedler-Ward:



          Your norm on $SL_n(mathbbR)$ is induced by the operator norm on the vector space $M_n(mathbbR)$. Being a norm on a finite-dimensional vector space, it is equivalent to the euclidean norm $|cdot|$ on $M_n(mathbbR)$.



          Now any left-invariant Riemannian metric $langle ,rangle$ on $TG=Gtimes mathfrakg$ is determined by its restriction to $TG_I=Itimes mathfrakg cong mathfrakg subset M_n(mathbbR)$. Without loss of generality, we can assume that the Riemannian metric restricted to $mathfrakg$ is induced by the euclidean norm on $M_n(mathbbR).$ Let $d$ be the distance on $G$ induced by the path integral formula of $langle , rangle$.



          Let $B$ be a pre-compact neighbourhood of $I$ in $G$ where the local inverse ($log$) of the exponential map is defined. Assume $log(B)$ is a convex ball in $mathfrakg$. Let $B'$ be another pre-compact neighbourhood containing the closure of $B$.



          Say $phi:[0,1] to B'$ joins $g_0, g_1 in B$. Then since the norm of $phi(t)$ is bounded, we get $c>0$ (independent of $g_0,g_1$) such that



          $$L(phi):= intlangle Dphi(t), Dphi(t) rangle^1/2dt = int leftlangle DL^-1_phi(t)circ Dphi(t), DL^-1_phi(t)circ Dphi(t)rightrangle^1/2 dt = int |phi(t)^-1phi'(t)| dt
          \ geq cint|phi'(t)|dt geq c| g_1-g_0|.$$



          This shows that $c|g_1-g_0| leq d(g_0,g_1)$ if the infimum of path integrals is taken over paths which remain in $B'$. But since $dleft(B,(B')^cright)>0,$ we can assume that this estimate holds in general. Hence for all $g_0,g_1 in B$, we have



          beginequation
          c|g_1-g_0| leq d(g_0,g_1) qquad (1)
          endequation



          and it remains to show a reverse inequality.



          Consider the path $phi:[0,1] to B$ given by $t mapsto expleft(log g_0 + t(log g_1-log g_0)right)$. This is well defined since we assumed $log(B)$ was a convex ball in $mathfrakg$. Then, since the norm of $phi(t)^-1$ is bounded, and since $d(exp)$ is bounded in $log(B)$ and since $log$ is Lipschitz (by the mean value theorem) in a neighbourhood of $I$,



          $$d(g_0,g_1) leq intlangle Dphi(t), Dphi(t) rangle^1/2dt = int |phi(t)^-1phi'(t)|dt leq int C_1|phi'(t)|dt leq C_1C_2|g_1-g_0|$$



          for some $C_1, C_2>0$ (independent of $g_0, g_1$). Hence for all $g_0,g_1in B$, we have



          $$ d(g_0,g_1) leq C |g_0-g_1|. qquad (2)$$







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          I can prove the following. If $h$ denotes the metric on $SL(n,mathbbR)$ coming from the operator norm, and $h_1$ denotes a left-invariant metric on $SL(n,mathbbR)$, then, at $g in SL(n,mathbbR)$, and for any vector $x$ tangent to $SL(n,mathbbR)$ at $g$, we have:



          $h(x,x) leq |g|^2 h_1(x,x)$



          I just used left translations, and things like that. If interested, I can write some more details. Also, one can prove (using the equivalence of any 2 norms on a finite-dimensional vector space) that there is a $C>0$ such that:



          $h_1(x,x) <= C |g^-1|^2 h(x,x)$.



          Hence, if $|g|$ and $|g^-1|$ are bounded above by some constants, then the two metrics induce uniformly equivalent norms on the tangent spaces of that region. In particular, there exists a neighborhood of the identity in $SL(n,mathbbR)$ for which the two geodesic distances are equivalent.






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          • $begingroup$
            Thanks for your answer. By $h(x,x)$ do you just mean the square of the operator norm of $x$, thinking of $x$ as a matrix acting on $mathbbR^n$ (let's assume g=e)?
            $endgroup$
            – Tim kinsella
            Apr 23 '16 at 0:25











          • $begingroup$
            Tim kinsella: yes correct, this is what I mean.
            $endgroup$
            – Malkoun
            Apr 23 '16 at 0:29










          • $begingroup$
            Thanks again. I don't completely understand the last paragraph. If we were talking about two Riemannian metrics which induced uniformly equivalent norms in a neighborhood of $e$, then I think I would be able to fill in the details. But let me ponder a little more.
            $endgroup$
            – Tim kinsella
            Apr 23 '16 at 0:43










          • $begingroup$
            Tim kinsella: I must admit the last paragraph in my answer is not written in a clear way! However the 2 inequalities should give you what you were hoping for. In any case, I can provide you with more details if you want, in particular the proofs of the 2 inequalities, if you want, or how you use them.
            $endgroup$
            – Malkoun
            Apr 23 '16 at 14:35















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          $begingroup$

          I can prove the following. If $h$ denotes the metric on $SL(n,mathbbR)$ coming from the operator norm, and $h_1$ denotes a left-invariant metric on $SL(n,mathbbR)$, then, at $g in SL(n,mathbbR)$, and for any vector $x$ tangent to $SL(n,mathbbR)$ at $g$, we have:



          $h(x,x) leq |g|^2 h_1(x,x)$



          I just used left translations, and things like that. If interested, I can write some more details. Also, one can prove (using the equivalence of any 2 norms on a finite-dimensional vector space) that there is a $C>0$ such that:



          $h_1(x,x) <= C |g^-1|^2 h(x,x)$.



          Hence, if $|g|$ and $|g^-1|$ are bounded above by some constants, then the two metrics induce uniformly equivalent norms on the tangent spaces of that region. In particular, there exists a neighborhood of the identity in $SL(n,mathbbR)$ for which the two geodesic distances are equivalent.






          share|cite|improve this answer











          $endgroup$












          • $begingroup$
            Thanks for your answer. By $h(x,x)$ do you just mean the square of the operator norm of $x$, thinking of $x$ as a matrix acting on $mathbbR^n$ (let's assume g=e)?
            $endgroup$
            – Tim kinsella
            Apr 23 '16 at 0:25











          • $begingroup$
            Tim kinsella: yes correct, this is what I mean.
            $endgroup$
            – Malkoun
            Apr 23 '16 at 0:29










          • $begingroup$
            Thanks again. I don't completely understand the last paragraph. If we were talking about two Riemannian metrics which induced uniformly equivalent norms in a neighborhood of $e$, then I think I would be able to fill in the details. But let me ponder a little more.
            $endgroup$
            – Tim kinsella
            Apr 23 '16 at 0:43










          • $begingroup$
            Tim kinsella: I must admit the last paragraph in my answer is not written in a clear way! However the 2 inequalities should give you what you were hoping for. In any case, I can provide you with more details if you want, in particular the proofs of the 2 inequalities, if you want, or how you use them.
            $endgroup$
            – Malkoun
            Apr 23 '16 at 14:35













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          $begingroup$

          I can prove the following. If $h$ denotes the metric on $SL(n,mathbbR)$ coming from the operator norm, and $h_1$ denotes a left-invariant metric on $SL(n,mathbbR)$, then, at $g in SL(n,mathbbR)$, and for any vector $x$ tangent to $SL(n,mathbbR)$ at $g$, we have:



          $h(x,x) leq |g|^2 h_1(x,x)$



          I just used left translations, and things like that. If interested, I can write some more details. Also, one can prove (using the equivalence of any 2 norms on a finite-dimensional vector space) that there is a $C>0$ such that:



          $h_1(x,x) <= C |g^-1|^2 h(x,x)$.



          Hence, if $|g|$ and $|g^-1|$ are bounded above by some constants, then the two metrics induce uniformly equivalent norms on the tangent spaces of that region. In particular, there exists a neighborhood of the identity in $SL(n,mathbbR)$ for which the two geodesic distances are equivalent.






          share|cite|improve this answer











          $endgroup$



          I can prove the following. If $h$ denotes the metric on $SL(n,mathbbR)$ coming from the operator norm, and $h_1$ denotes a left-invariant metric on $SL(n,mathbbR)$, then, at $g in SL(n,mathbbR)$, and for any vector $x$ tangent to $SL(n,mathbbR)$ at $g$, we have:



          $h(x,x) leq |g|^2 h_1(x,x)$



          I just used left translations, and things like that. If interested, I can write some more details. Also, one can prove (using the equivalence of any 2 norms on a finite-dimensional vector space) that there is a $C>0$ such that:



          $h_1(x,x) <= C |g^-1|^2 h(x,x)$.



          Hence, if $|g|$ and $|g^-1|$ are bounded above by some constants, then the two metrics induce uniformly equivalent norms on the tangent spaces of that region. In particular, there exists a neighborhood of the identity in $SL(n,mathbbR)$ for which the two geodesic distances are equivalent.







          share|cite|improve this answer














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          answered Apr 21 '16 at 14:25









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          • $begingroup$
            Thanks for your answer. By $h(x,x)$ do you just mean the square of the operator norm of $x$, thinking of $x$ as a matrix acting on $mathbbR^n$ (let's assume g=e)?
            $endgroup$
            – Tim kinsella
            Apr 23 '16 at 0:25











          • $begingroup$
            Tim kinsella: yes correct, this is what I mean.
            $endgroup$
            – Malkoun
            Apr 23 '16 at 0:29










          • $begingroup$
            Thanks again. I don't completely understand the last paragraph. If we were talking about two Riemannian metrics which induced uniformly equivalent norms in a neighborhood of $e$, then I think I would be able to fill in the details. But let me ponder a little more.
            $endgroup$
            – Tim kinsella
            Apr 23 '16 at 0:43










          • $begingroup$
            Tim kinsella: I must admit the last paragraph in my answer is not written in a clear way! However the 2 inequalities should give you what you were hoping for. In any case, I can provide you with more details if you want, in particular the proofs of the 2 inequalities, if you want, or how you use them.
            $endgroup$
            – Malkoun
            Apr 23 '16 at 14:35
















          • $begingroup$
            Thanks for your answer. By $h(x,x)$ do you just mean the square of the operator norm of $x$, thinking of $x$ as a matrix acting on $mathbbR^n$ (let's assume g=e)?
            $endgroup$
            – Tim kinsella
            Apr 23 '16 at 0:25











          • $begingroup$
            Tim kinsella: yes correct, this is what I mean.
            $endgroup$
            – Malkoun
            Apr 23 '16 at 0:29










          • $begingroup$
            Thanks again. I don't completely understand the last paragraph. If we were talking about two Riemannian metrics which induced uniformly equivalent norms in a neighborhood of $e$, then I think I would be able to fill in the details. But let me ponder a little more.
            $endgroup$
            – Tim kinsella
            Apr 23 '16 at 0:43










          • $begingroup$
            Tim kinsella: I must admit the last paragraph in my answer is not written in a clear way! However the 2 inequalities should give you what you were hoping for. In any case, I can provide you with more details if you want, in particular the proofs of the 2 inequalities, if you want, or how you use them.
            $endgroup$
            – Malkoun
            Apr 23 '16 at 14:35















          $begingroup$
          Thanks for your answer. By $h(x,x)$ do you just mean the square of the operator norm of $x$, thinking of $x$ as a matrix acting on $mathbbR^n$ (let's assume g=e)?
          $endgroup$
          – Tim kinsella
          Apr 23 '16 at 0:25





          $begingroup$
          Thanks for your answer. By $h(x,x)$ do you just mean the square of the operator norm of $x$, thinking of $x$ as a matrix acting on $mathbbR^n$ (let's assume g=e)?
          $endgroup$
          – Tim kinsella
          Apr 23 '16 at 0:25













          $begingroup$
          Tim kinsella: yes correct, this is what I mean.
          $endgroup$
          – Malkoun
          Apr 23 '16 at 0:29




          $begingroup$
          Tim kinsella: yes correct, this is what I mean.
          $endgroup$
          – Malkoun
          Apr 23 '16 at 0:29












          $begingroup$
          Thanks again. I don't completely understand the last paragraph. If we were talking about two Riemannian metrics which induced uniformly equivalent norms in a neighborhood of $e$, then I think I would be able to fill in the details. But let me ponder a little more.
          $endgroup$
          – Tim kinsella
          Apr 23 '16 at 0:43




          $begingroup$
          Thanks again. I don't completely understand the last paragraph. If we were talking about two Riemannian metrics which induced uniformly equivalent norms in a neighborhood of $e$, then I think I would be able to fill in the details. But let me ponder a little more.
          $endgroup$
          – Tim kinsella
          Apr 23 '16 at 0:43












          $begingroup$
          Tim kinsella: I must admit the last paragraph in my answer is not written in a clear way! However the 2 inequalities should give you what you were hoping for. In any case, I can provide you with more details if you want, in particular the proofs of the 2 inequalities, if you want, or how you use them.
          $endgroup$
          – Malkoun
          Apr 23 '16 at 14:35




          $begingroup$
          Tim kinsella: I must admit the last paragraph in my answer is not written in a clear way! However the 2 inequalities should give you what you were hoping for. In any case, I can provide you with more details if you want, in particular the proofs of the 2 inequalities, if you want, or how you use them.
          $endgroup$
          – Malkoun
          Apr 23 '16 at 14:35

















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