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Are there any Symmetric Groups that are cyclic?
The 2019 Stack Overflow Developer Survey Results Are InShow that the center of $S_3$ is the identity subgroup.Is the symmetric group $S_4$ cyclicWhen $G'$/$G''$ and $G''$ both are cyclic groupsCyclic groups whose every non-identity member is a generatorDetermining whether these groups are cyclic and listing the generators for the groupWhen are the product of cyclic groups also cyclic?Cyclic (sub)groupsWhich of the following abelian groups are cyclic groups?Cyclic groups and other groupsWhich inverse multiplicative groups modulo $n$ are cyclic or notnon-cyclic example that there is an element not contained in any maximal subgroupNew to cyclic groups: A group $H$ is cyclic if every element of $H$ is an integral power of some single element of
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Are there any Symmetric Groups that are cyclic?
Because I have been doing some problems and I tend to notice that the problems I do that involve the symmetric group are not cyclic meaning they do not have a generator which generates the set.
So are there any cases in which any of the symmetric group is cyclic? If not, then why are none of them cyclic?
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Are there any Symmetric Groups that are cyclic?
Because I have been doing some problems and I tend to notice that the problems I do that involve the symmetric group are not cyclic meaning they do not have a generator which generates the set.
So are there any cases in which any of the symmetric group is cyclic? If not, then why are none of them cyclic?
abstract-algebra group-theory permutations symmetric-groups cyclic-groups
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$S_1$ and $S_2$ are cyclic. That's it.
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– Nishant
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Symmetric groups for $n>2$ are not even abelian, so they can't be cyclic.
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@Nishant: To be pedantic, $S_0$ is also cyclic.
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@NateEldredge But he already mentioned that :) (as it is isomorphic to $S_1$).
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Are there any Symmetric Groups that are cyclic?
Because I have been doing some problems and I tend to notice that the problems I do that involve the symmetric group are not cyclic meaning they do not have a generator which generates the set.
So are there any cases in which any of the symmetric group is cyclic? If not, then why are none of them cyclic?
abstract-algebra group-theory permutations symmetric-groups cyclic-groups
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Are there any Symmetric Groups that are cyclic?
Because I have been doing some problems and I tend to notice that the problems I do that involve the symmetric group are not cyclic meaning they do not have a generator which generates the set.
So are there any cases in which any of the symmetric group is cyclic? If not, then why are none of them cyclic?
abstract-algebra group-theory permutations symmetric-groups cyclic-groups
abstract-algebra group-theory permutations symmetric-groups cyclic-groups
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$S_1$ and $S_2$ are cyclic. That's it.
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Symmetric groups for $n>2$ are not even abelian, so they can't be cyclic.
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@Nishant: To be pedantic, $S_0$ is also cyclic.
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@NateEldredge But he already mentioned that :) (as it is isomorphic to $S_1$).
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$S_1$ and $S_2$ are cyclic. That's it.
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Symmetric groups for $n>2$ are not even abelian, so they can't be cyclic.
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@Nishant: To be pedantic, $S_0$ is also cyclic.
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– Nate Eldredge
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@NateEldredge But he already mentioned that :) (as it is isomorphic to $S_1$).
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– Tobias Kildetoft
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$S_1$ and $S_2$ are cyclic. That's it.
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– Nishant
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$S_1$ and $S_2$ are cyclic. That's it.
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Symmetric groups for $n>2$ are not even abelian, so they can't be cyclic.
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Symmetric groups for $n>2$ are not even abelian, so they can't be cyclic.
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@Nishant: To be pedantic, $S_0$ is also cyclic.
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– Nate Eldredge
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@Nishant: To be pedantic, $S_0$ is also cyclic.
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– Nate Eldredge
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@NateEldredge But he already mentioned that :) (as it is isomorphic to $S_1$).
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– Tobias Kildetoft
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There are a number of ways one could answer this, so here's my shot:
First, it is true that $S_1$ and $S_2$ are cyclic—these have only $1$ and $2$ elements respectively, so nothing surprising here. So let's consider the symmetric group on three or more elements.
Claim: $S_n$ is not cyclic for $n geq 3$.
To begin, it is a good exercise to show that subgroups of cyclic groups are necessarily cyclic. Given this, prove that $S_3$ is not cyclic and note that $S_n subset S_m$ for all $n leq m$.
As others are saying, another (probably easier) way to prove the claim is to show that cyclic groups are abelian$^dagger$ and to show that subgroups of abelian groups are abelian. Then it suffices to show that $S_3$ is not abelian.
$^dagger$Not only is the symmetric group not abelian—worse, it has trivial center. See here.
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When $n geq 3$ the symmetric group $S_n$ is not Abelian (exercise), so in particular isn't cyclic.
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Just to provide a complete answer (in reply to the comments under the question) the following. The question does not ask for "up to isomorphism", so let me go for describing all cyclic symmetric groups.
The symmetric group of the empty set, and any symmetric group of a singleton set are all trivial groups, and therefore cyclic groups. The symmetric group $S(X)$ of any set $X$ with $#X=2$ has $#S(X)=2$, so $S(X)$ is cyclic, and generated by the transposition of the two elements of$~X$. This completes the list of cyclic symmetric groups. Whenever $X$ has at least $3$ distinct elements, choose $3$ of them and call them $a,b,c$ respectively, then $S(X)$ cannot be cyclic: it contains the transpositions $(a~b)$ and $(b~c)$ which do not commute, whereas cyclic groups are necessarily commutative.
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Here is another way to show this (NOT necessarily the best way, from a pedagogical point of view, not by a long shot):
$S_n$ is cyclic if and only if it has an element of order $n!$.
Now, decomposing a permutation $sigma in S_n$ into disjoint cycles is the same as defining a partition of $n$ (A partition of $n$ is a (finite) sequence of integers $1 leq a_1 leq a_2 leq cdots leq a_k leq n$ such that $a_1 + a_2 +cdots + a_k = n$), if we assign fixed elements of $1,2,dots,n$ under $sigma$ to $1$-cycles, and write the cycles in order of increasing length.
The order of any permutation $sigma$ then depends ONLY on the induced partition (call it $pi_sigma(n)$). If we define $textlcm(pi_sigma(n)) = textlcm(a_1,a_2,dots,a_k)$, when $k > 1$ and $textlcm(pi_sigma) = a_1$ when $k = 1$, then:
$|sigma| = textlcm(pi_sigma(n))$
For example, in $S_6$, if $sigma = (2 5)(3 4 6) = (1)(2 5)(3 4 6)$, the induced partition is $(1,2,3)$: note that $1+2+3 = 6$, and the order of $sigma$ is indeed $6 = textlcm(1,2,3)$.
Theorem: if $n > 2$ then $textlcm(pi(n)) < n!$ for any partition $pi$ of $n$.
The proof is by (complete) induction on $n$. Our base case is $n = 3$. There are $3$ possible partitions of $3$:
$pi_1 = (1,1,1), pi_2 = (1,2),pi_3 = (3)$. We compute:
$textlcm(pi_1) = 1$,
$textlcm(pi_2) = 2$,
$textlcm(pi_3) = 3$. In all cases, $textlcm(pi_j) < 6 = 3!$, for $j = 1,2,3$.
So we assume that $textlcm(pi) < m!$ for all partitions $pi$ of $2 < m < n$.
Note that if $pi$ is a partition of $n$ with $k > 1$, say $pi = (a_1,a_2,dots,a_k)$, that $pi' = (a_2,dots,a_k)$ is a partition of $n - a_1 < n$. Hence:
$textlcm(pi) = textlcm(a_1,a_2,dots,a_k) = textlcm(a_1,textlcm(a_2,dots,a_k)) = textlcm(a_1,textlcm(pi')) leq a_1cdottextlcm(pi')$
$< a_1cdot (n-a_1)!$ (by our induction hypothesis)
$leq a_1cdot (n - 1)! leq ncdot (n-1)! = n!$
Otherwise $pi = (n)$ and $textlcm(pi) = n < n!$, since $n > 2$. This concludes the induction proof.
Corollary: for $n > 2, S_n$ is not cyclic.
Let $sigma in S_n$. Then $|sigma| = textlcm(pi_sigma)$, and $pi_sigma$ is a partition of $n$, so $|sigma| < n!$, and $sigma$ does not generate $S_n$.
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This is my approach, the idea is very elementary, I enjoyed thinking it, it may be little intuitive (if there is something wrong, please warn me).
Lemma 1: Every permutation can be written by product of transpositions.
Proof: Let $f=left (f_n ; f_n-1; ... f_3 ;f_2;f_1right)$ and for arbitrary $ninmathbb N^+$ $f$ is equal to $(f_2;f_1)(f_3;f_1)(f_4;f_1)....(f_n-1;f_1)(f_n;f_1)=left (f_n ; f_n-1; ... f_3 ;f_2;f_1right)$$Box$
Lemma 2: Every permutation is written either odd or even number of transpositions
Proof: Omitted, it can be found, it is a little bit long.$Box$
Lemma 3: For $n>2$ every $S_n$ has even and odd permutations.
Proof: $S_3$ has $(123)$ which is even and $(12)$ which is odd. Since $forall n>3$,$S_n$ consists $S_3$, $S_n$ has even and odd permutations.$Box$
Lemma 4: Every power of a permutation is the same polarity. That is, $f$ be permutation, and $P(x)$ be polarity function that shows permutations odd or even.
$P(f)=P(f^2)=....=P(f^d)$ where $f^d=id$
Proof: Using order and $lcm(n,m)$ lemma, I prove only for odd pemutation's powers.
Assume that $f$ is odd permutation, that is order of $f$ is even. $o(f^2)=lcm(o(f),o(f))=o(f)$ that is order of $f^2$ is even and so permutation $f^2$ is odd permutation. $Box$
Theorem: $S_n$ is not cyclic $forall n>3$
Proof: Assume that $S_n$ is cyclic for some $n>3$ so there must be an element that generates $S_n$, let call this element as $g$ and by assumption $<g>=S_n$ but it is wrong because $g$ can only generate like its polarity (that is, if $g$ is even permutation, $g$ can only generate even permutation but there is odds ass well, and for $g$ is odd, logic is the same.)$ Q.e.d.
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Proof is wrong since for $S_5$ there exists $(123)(45)in S_5$ but this is order $10$.(contradiction)
Theorem: $S_n$ is not cyclic $forall n>3$
Proof: $|S_n|=n!$, pick an element and assume that $gin S_n$ is generator of $S_n$, $<g>=S_n$ and such that $o(<g>)=n!$ but it is impossible since $S_n$'s elements can have only at most order $n$, contradiction. $Box$
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There are a number of ways one could answer this, so here's my shot:
First, it is true that $S_1$ and $S_2$ are cyclic—these have only $1$ and $2$ elements respectively, so nothing surprising here. So let's consider the symmetric group on three or more elements.
Claim: $S_n$ is not cyclic for $n geq 3$.
To begin, it is a good exercise to show that subgroups of cyclic groups are necessarily cyclic. Given this, prove that $S_3$ is not cyclic and note that $S_n subset S_m$ for all $n leq m$.
As others are saying, another (probably easier) way to prove the claim is to show that cyclic groups are abelian$^dagger$ and to show that subgroups of abelian groups are abelian. Then it suffices to show that $S_3$ is not abelian.
$^dagger$Not only is the symmetric group not abelian—worse, it has trivial center. See here.
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Wow that's beautiful. Thanks
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There are a number of ways one could answer this, so here's my shot:
First, it is true that $S_1$ and $S_2$ are cyclic—these have only $1$ and $2$ elements respectively, so nothing surprising here. So let's consider the symmetric group on three or more elements.
Claim: $S_n$ is not cyclic for $n geq 3$.
To begin, it is a good exercise to show that subgroups of cyclic groups are necessarily cyclic. Given this, prove that $S_3$ is not cyclic and note that $S_n subset S_m$ for all $n leq m$.
As others are saying, another (probably easier) way to prove the claim is to show that cyclic groups are abelian$^dagger$ and to show that subgroups of abelian groups are abelian. Then it suffices to show that $S_3$ is not abelian.
$^dagger$Not only is the symmetric group not abelian—worse, it has trivial center. See here.
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Wow that's beautiful. Thanks
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There are a number of ways one could answer this, so here's my shot:
First, it is true that $S_1$ and $S_2$ are cyclic—these have only $1$ and $2$ elements respectively, so nothing surprising here. So let's consider the symmetric group on three or more elements.
Claim: $S_n$ is not cyclic for $n geq 3$.
To begin, it is a good exercise to show that subgroups of cyclic groups are necessarily cyclic. Given this, prove that $S_3$ is not cyclic and note that $S_n subset S_m$ for all $n leq m$.
As others are saying, another (probably easier) way to prove the claim is to show that cyclic groups are abelian$^dagger$ and to show that subgroups of abelian groups are abelian. Then it suffices to show that $S_3$ is not abelian.
$^dagger$Not only is the symmetric group not abelian—worse, it has trivial center. See here.
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There are a number of ways one could answer this, so here's my shot:
First, it is true that $S_1$ and $S_2$ are cyclic—these have only $1$ and $2$ elements respectively, so nothing surprising here. So let's consider the symmetric group on three or more elements.
Claim: $S_n$ is not cyclic for $n geq 3$.
To begin, it is a good exercise to show that subgroups of cyclic groups are necessarily cyclic. Given this, prove that $S_3$ is not cyclic and note that $S_n subset S_m$ for all $n leq m$.
As others are saying, another (probably easier) way to prove the claim is to show that cyclic groups are abelian$^dagger$ and to show that subgroups of abelian groups are abelian. Then it suffices to show that $S_3$ is not abelian.
$^dagger$Not only is the symmetric group not abelian—worse, it has trivial center. See here.
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Wow that's beautiful. Thanks
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Wow that's beautiful. Thanks
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When $n geq 3$ the symmetric group $S_n$ is not Abelian (exercise), so in particular isn't cyclic.
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When $n geq 3$ the symmetric group $S_n$ is not Abelian (exercise), so in particular isn't cyclic.
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When $n geq 3$ the symmetric group $S_n$ is not Abelian (exercise), so in particular isn't cyclic.
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When $n geq 3$ the symmetric group $S_n$ is not Abelian (exercise), so in particular isn't cyclic.
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Just to provide a complete answer (in reply to the comments under the question) the following. The question does not ask for "up to isomorphism", so let me go for describing all cyclic symmetric groups.
The symmetric group of the empty set, and any symmetric group of a singleton set are all trivial groups, and therefore cyclic groups. The symmetric group $S(X)$ of any set $X$ with $#X=2$ has $#S(X)=2$, so $S(X)$ is cyclic, and generated by the transposition of the two elements of$~X$. This completes the list of cyclic symmetric groups. Whenever $X$ has at least $3$ distinct elements, choose $3$ of them and call them $a,b,c$ respectively, then $S(X)$ cannot be cyclic: it contains the transpositions $(a~b)$ and $(b~c)$ which do not commute, whereas cyclic groups are necessarily commutative.
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Just to provide a complete answer (in reply to the comments under the question) the following. The question does not ask for "up to isomorphism", so let me go for describing all cyclic symmetric groups.
The symmetric group of the empty set, and any symmetric group of a singleton set are all trivial groups, and therefore cyclic groups. The symmetric group $S(X)$ of any set $X$ with $#X=2$ has $#S(X)=2$, so $S(X)$ is cyclic, and generated by the transposition of the two elements of$~X$. This completes the list of cyclic symmetric groups. Whenever $X$ has at least $3$ distinct elements, choose $3$ of them and call them $a,b,c$ respectively, then $S(X)$ cannot be cyclic: it contains the transpositions $(a~b)$ and $(b~c)$ which do not commute, whereas cyclic groups are necessarily commutative.
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Just to provide a complete answer (in reply to the comments under the question) the following. The question does not ask for "up to isomorphism", so let me go for describing all cyclic symmetric groups.
The symmetric group of the empty set, and any symmetric group of a singleton set are all trivial groups, and therefore cyclic groups. The symmetric group $S(X)$ of any set $X$ with $#X=2$ has $#S(X)=2$, so $S(X)$ is cyclic, and generated by the transposition of the two elements of$~X$. This completes the list of cyclic symmetric groups. Whenever $X$ has at least $3$ distinct elements, choose $3$ of them and call them $a,b,c$ respectively, then $S(X)$ cannot be cyclic: it contains the transpositions $(a~b)$ and $(b~c)$ which do not commute, whereas cyclic groups are necessarily commutative.
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Just to provide a complete answer (in reply to the comments under the question) the following. The question does not ask for "up to isomorphism", so let me go for describing all cyclic symmetric groups.
The symmetric group of the empty set, and any symmetric group of a singleton set are all trivial groups, and therefore cyclic groups. The symmetric group $S(X)$ of any set $X$ with $#X=2$ has $#S(X)=2$, so $S(X)$ is cyclic, and generated by the transposition of the two elements of$~X$. This completes the list of cyclic symmetric groups. Whenever $X$ has at least $3$ distinct elements, choose $3$ of them and call them $a,b,c$ respectively, then $S(X)$ cannot be cyclic: it contains the transpositions $(a~b)$ and $(b~c)$ which do not commute, whereas cyclic groups are necessarily commutative.
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Here is another way to show this (NOT necessarily the best way, from a pedagogical point of view, not by a long shot):
$S_n$ is cyclic if and only if it has an element of order $n!$.
Now, decomposing a permutation $sigma in S_n$ into disjoint cycles is the same as defining a partition of $n$ (A partition of $n$ is a (finite) sequence of integers $1 leq a_1 leq a_2 leq cdots leq a_k leq n$ such that $a_1 + a_2 +cdots + a_k = n$), if we assign fixed elements of $1,2,dots,n$ under $sigma$ to $1$-cycles, and write the cycles in order of increasing length.
The order of any permutation $sigma$ then depends ONLY on the induced partition (call it $pi_sigma(n)$). If we define $textlcm(pi_sigma(n)) = textlcm(a_1,a_2,dots,a_k)$, when $k > 1$ and $textlcm(pi_sigma) = a_1$ when $k = 1$, then:
$|sigma| = textlcm(pi_sigma(n))$
For example, in $S_6$, if $sigma = (2 5)(3 4 6) = (1)(2 5)(3 4 6)$, the induced partition is $(1,2,3)$: note that $1+2+3 = 6$, and the order of $sigma$ is indeed $6 = textlcm(1,2,3)$.
Theorem: if $n > 2$ then $textlcm(pi(n)) < n!$ for any partition $pi$ of $n$.
The proof is by (complete) induction on $n$. Our base case is $n = 3$. There are $3$ possible partitions of $3$:
$pi_1 = (1,1,1), pi_2 = (1,2),pi_3 = (3)$. We compute:
$textlcm(pi_1) = 1$,
$textlcm(pi_2) = 2$,
$textlcm(pi_3) = 3$. In all cases, $textlcm(pi_j) < 6 = 3!$, for $j = 1,2,3$.
So we assume that $textlcm(pi) < m!$ for all partitions $pi$ of $2 < m < n$.
Note that if $pi$ is a partition of $n$ with $k > 1$, say $pi = (a_1,a_2,dots,a_k)$, that $pi' = (a_2,dots,a_k)$ is a partition of $n - a_1 < n$. Hence:
$textlcm(pi) = textlcm(a_1,a_2,dots,a_k) = textlcm(a_1,textlcm(a_2,dots,a_k)) = textlcm(a_1,textlcm(pi')) leq a_1cdottextlcm(pi')$
$< a_1cdot (n-a_1)!$ (by our induction hypothesis)
$leq a_1cdot (n - 1)! leq ncdot (n-1)! = n!$
Otherwise $pi = (n)$ and $textlcm(pi) = n < n!$, since $n > 2$. This concludes the induction proof.
Corollary: for $n > 2, S_n$ is not cyclic.
Let $sigma in S_n$. Then $|sigma| = textlcm(pi_sigma)$, and $pi_sigma$ is a partition of $n$, so $|sigma| < n!$, and $sigma$ does not generate $S_n$.
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Here is another way to show this (NOT necessarily the best way, from a pedagogical point of view, not by a long shot):
$S_n$ is cyclic if and only if it has an element of order $n!$.
Now, decomposing a permutation $sigma in S_n$ into disjoint cycles is the same as defining a partition of $n$ (A partition of $n$ is a (finite) sequence of integers $1 leq a_1 leq a_2 leq cdots leq a_k leq n$ such that $a_1 + a_2 +cdots + a_k = n$), if we assign fixed elements of $1,2,dots,n$ under $sigma$ to $1$-cycles, and write the cycles in order of increasing length.
The order of any permutation $sigma$ then depends ONLY on the induced partition (call it $pi_sigma(n)$). If we define $textlcm(pi_sigma(n)) = textlcm(a_1,a_2,dots,a_k)$, when $k > 1$ and $textlcm(pi_sigma) = a_1$ when $k = 1$, then:
$|sigma| = textlcm(pi_sigma(n))$
For example, in $S_6$, if $sigma = (2 5)(3 4 6) = (1)(2 5)(3 4 6)$, the induced partition is $(1,2,3)$: note that $1+2+3 = 6$, and the order of $sigma$ is indeed $6 = textlcm(1,2,3)$.
Theorem: if $n > 2$ then $textlcm(pi(n)) < n!$ for any partition $pi$ of $n$.
The proof is by (complete) induction on $n$. Our base case is $n = 3$. There are $3$ possible partitions of $3$:
$pi_1 = (1,1,1), pi_2 = (1,2),pi_3 = (3)$. We compute:
$textlcm(pi_1) = 1$,
$textlcm(pi_2) = 2$,
$textlcm(pi_3) = 3$. In all cases, $textlcm(pi_j) < 6 = 3!$, for $j = 1,2,3$.
So we assume that $textlcm(pi) < m!$ for all partitions $pi$ of $2 < m < n$.
Note that if $pi$ is a partition of $n$ with $k > 1$, say $pi = (a_1,a_2,dots,a_k)$, that $pi' = (a_2,dots,a_k)$ is a partition of $n - a_1 < n$. Hence:
$textlcm(pi) = textlcm(a_1,a_2,dots,a_k) = textlcm(a_1,textlcm(a_2,dots,a_k)) = textlcm(a_1,textlcm(pi')) leq a_1cdottextlcm(pi')$
$< a_1cdot (n-a_1)!$ (by our induction hypothesis)
$leq a_1cdot (n - 1)! leq ncdot (n-1)! = n!$
Otherwise $pi = (n)$ and $textlcm(pi) = n < n!$, since $n > 2$. This concludes the induction proof.
Corollary: for $n > 2, S_n$ is not cyclic.
Let $sigma in S_n$. Then $|sigma| = textlcm(pi_sigma)$, and $pi_sigma$ is a partition of $n$, so $|sigma| < n!$, and $sigma$ does not generate $S_n$.
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Here is another way to show this (NOT necessarily the best way, from a pedagogical point of view, not by a long shot):
$S_n$ is cyclic if and only if it has an element of order $n!$.
Now, decomposing a permutation $sigma in S_n$ into disjoint cycles is the same as defining a partition of $n$ (A partition of $n$ is a (finite) sequence of integers $1 leq a_1 leq a_2 leq cdots leq a_k leq n$ such that $a_1 + a_2 +cdots + a_k = n$), if we assign fixed elements of $1,2,dots,n$ under $sigma$ to $1$-cycles, and write the cycles in order of increasing length.
The order of any permutation $sigma$ then depends ONLY on the induced partition (call it $pi_sigma(n)$). If we define $textlcm(pi_sigma(n)) = textlcm(a_1,a_2,dots,a_k)$, when $k > 1$ and $textlcm(pi_sigma) = a_1$ when $k = 1$, then:
$|sigma| = textlcm(pi_sigma(n))$
For example, in $S_6$, if $sigma = (2 5)(3 4 6) = (1)(2 5)(3 4 6)$, the induced partition is $(1,2,3)$: note that $1+2+3 = 6$, and the order of $sigma$ is indeed $6 = textlcm(1,2,3)$.
Theorem: if $n > 2$ then $textlcm(pi(n)) < n!$ for any partition $pi$ of $n$.
The proof is by (complete) induction on $n$. Our base case is $n = 3$. There are $3$ possible partitions of $3$:
$pi_1 = (1,1,1), pi_2 = (1,2),pi_3 = (3)$. We compute:
$textlcm(pi_1) = 1$,
$textlcm(pi_2) = 2$,
$textlcm(pi_3) = 3$. In all cases, $textlcm(pi_j) < 6 = 3!$, for $j = 1,2,3$.
So we assume that $textlcm(pi) < m!$ for all partitions $pi$ of $2 < m < n$.
Note that if $pi$ is a partition of $n$ with $k > 1$, say $pi = (a_1,a_2,dots,a_k)$, that $pi' = (a_2,dots,a_k)$ is a partition of $n - a_1 < n$. Hence:
$textlcm(pi) = textlcm(a_1,a_2,dots,a_k) = textlcm(a_1,textlcm(a_2,dots,a_k)) = textlcm(a_1,textlcm(pi')) leq a_1cdottextlcm(pi')$
$< a_1cdot (n-a_1)!$ (by our induction hypothesis)
$leq a_1cdot (n - 1)! leq ncdot (n-1)! = n!$
Otherwise $pi = (n)$ and $textlcm(pi) = n < n!$, since $n > 2$. This concludes the induction proof.
Corollary: for $n > 2, S_n$ is not cyclic.
Let $sigma in S_n$. Then $|sigma| = textlcm(pi_sigma)$, and $pi_sigma$ is a partition of $n$, so $|sigma| < n!$, and $sigma$ does not generate $S_n$.
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Here is another way to show this (NOT necessarily the best way, from a pedagogical point of view, not by a long shot):
$S_n$ is cyclic if and only if it has an element of order $n!$.
Now, decomposing a permutation $sigma in S_n$ into disjoint cycles is the same as defining a partition of $n$ (A partition of $n$ is a (finite) sequence of integers $1 leq a_1 leq a_2 leq cdots leq a_k leq n$ such that $a_1 + a_2 +cdots + a_k = n$), if we assign fixed elements of $1,2,dots,n$ under $sigma$ to $1$-cycles, and write the cycles in order of increasing length.
The order of any permutation $sigma$ then depends ONLY on the induced partition (call it $pi_sigma(n)$). If we define $textlcm(pi_sigma(n)) = textlcm(a_1,a_2,dots,a_k)$, when $k > 1$ and $textlcm(pi_sigma) = a_1$ when $k = 1$, then:
$|sigma| = textlcm(pi_sigma(n))$
For example, in $S_6$, if $sigma = (2 5)(3 4 6) = (1)(2 5)(3 4 6)$, the induced partition is $(1,2,3)$: note that $1+2+3 = 6$, and the order of $sigma$ is indeed $6 = textlcm(1,2,3)$.
Theorem: if $n > 2$ then $textlcm(pi(n)) < n!$ for any partition $pi$ of $n$.
The proof is by (complete) induction on $n$. Our base case is $n = 3$. There are $3$ possible partitions of $3$:
$pi_1 = (1,1,1), pi_2 = (1,2),pi_3 = (3)$. We compute:
$textlcm(pi_1) = 1$,
$textlcm(pi_2) = 2$,
$textlcm(pi_3) = 3$. In all cases, $textlcm(pi_j) < 6 = 3!$, for $j = 1,2,3$.
So we assume that $textlcm(pi) < m!$ for all partitions $pi$ of $2 < m < n$.
Note that if $pi$ is a partition of $n$ with $k > 1$, say $pi = (a_1,a_2,dots,a_k)$, that $pi' = (a_2,dots,a_k)$ is a partition of $n - a_1 < n$. Hence:
$textlcm(pi) = textlcm(a_1,a_2,dots,a_k) = textlcm(a_1,textlcm(a_2,dots,a_k)) = textlcm(a_1,textlcm(pi')) leq a_1cdottextlcm(pi')$
$< a_1cdot (n-a_1)!$ (by our induction hypothesis)
$leq a_1cdot (n - 1)! leq ncdot (n-1)! = n!$
Otherwise $pi = (n)$ and $textlcm(pi) = n < n!$, since $n > 2$. This concludes the induction proof.
Corollary: for $n > 2, S_n$ is not cyclic.
Let $sigma in S_n$. Then $|sigma| = textlcm(pi_sigma)$, and $pi_sigma$ is a partition of $n$, so $|sigma| < n!$, and $sigma$ does not generate $S_n$.
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This is my approach, the idea is very elementary, I enjoyed thinking it, it may be little intuitive (if there is something wrong, please warn me).
Lemma 1: Every permutation can be written by product of transpositions.
Proof: Let $f=left (f_n ; f_n-1; ... f_3 ;f_2;f_1right)$ and for arbitrary $ninmathbb N^+$ $f$ is equal to $(f_2;f_1)(f_3;f_1)(f_4;f_1)....(f_n-1;f_1)(f_n;f_1)=left (f_n ; f_n-1; ... f_3 ;f_2;f_1right)$$Box$
Lemma 2: Every permutation is written either odd or even number of transpositions
Proof: Omitted, it can be found, it is a little bit long.$Box$
Lemma 3: For $n>2$ every $S_n$ has even and odd permutations.
Proof: $S_3$ has $(123)$ which is even and $(12)$ which is odd. Since $forall n>3$,$S_n$ consists $S_3$, $S_n$ has even and odd permutations.$Box$
Lemma 4: Every power of a permutation is the same polarity. That is, $f$ be permutation, and $P(x)$ be polarity function that shows permutations odd or even.
$P(f)=P(f^2)=....=P(f^d)$ where $f^d=id$
Proof: Using order and $lcm(n,m)$ lemma, I prove only for odd pemutation's powers.
Assume that $f$ is odd permutation, that is order of $f$ is even. $o(f^2)=lcm(o(f),o(f))=o(f)$ that is order of $f^2$ is even and so permutation $f^2$ is odd permutation. $Box$
Theorem: $S_n$ is not cyclic $forall n>3$
Proof: Assume that $S_n$ is cyclic for some $n>3$ so there must be an element that generates $S_n$, let call this element as $g$ and by assumption $<g>=S_n$ but it is wrong because $g$ can only generate like its polarity (that is, if $g$ is even permutation, $g$ can only generate even permutation but there is odds ass well, and for $g$ is odd, logic is the same.)$ Q.e.d.
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kudos for some original thoughts!
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– Ishan Srivastava
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This is my approach, the idea is very elementary, I enjoyed thinking it, it may be little intuitive (if there is something wrong, please warn me).
Lemma 1: Every permutation can be written by product of transpositions.
Proof: Let $f=left (f_n ; f_n-1; ... f_3 ;f_2;f_1right)$ and for arbitrary $ninmathbb N^+$ $f$ is equal to $(f_2;f_1)(f_3;f_1)(f_4;f_1)....(f_n-1;f_1)(f_n;f_1)=left (f_n ; f_n-1; ... f_3 ;f_2;f_1right)$$Box$
Lemma 2: Every permutation is written either odd or even number of transpositions
Proof: Omitted, it can be found, it is a little bit long.$Box$
Lemma 3: For $n>2$ every $S_n$ has even and odd permutations.
Proof: $S_3$ has $(123)$ which is even and $(12)$ which is odd. Since $forall n>3$,$S_n$ consists $S_3$, $S_n$ has even and odd permutations.$Box$
Lemma 4: Every power of a permutation is the same polarity. That is, $f$ be permutation, and $P(x)$ be polarity function that shows permutations odd or even.
$P(f)=P(f^2)=....=P(f^d)$ where $f^d=id$
Proof: Using order and $lcm(n,m)$ lemma, I prove only for odd pemutation's powers.
Assume that $f$ is odd permutation, that is order of $f$ is even. $o(f^2)=lcm(o(f),o(f))=o(f)$ that is order of $f^2$ is even and so permutation $f^2$ is odd permutation. $Box$
Theorem: $S_n$ is not cyclic $forall n>3$
Proof: Assume that $S_n$ is cyclic for some $n>3$ so there must be an element that generates $S_n$, let call this element as $g$ and by assumption $<g>=S_n$ but it is wrong because $g$ can only generate like its polarity (that is, if $g$ is even permutation, $g$ can only generate even permutation but there is odds ass well, and for $g$ is odd, logic is the same.)$ Q.e.d.
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kudos for some original thoughts!
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– Ishan Srivastava
Nov 23 '18 at 5:38
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This is my approach, the idea is very elementary, I enjoyed thinking it, it may be little intuitive (if there is something wrong, please warn me).
Lemma 1: Every permutation can be written by product of transpositions.
Proof: Let $f=left (f_n ; f_n-1; ... f_3 ;f_2;f_1right)$ and for arbitrary $ninmathbb N^+$ $f$ is equal to $(f_2;f_1)(f_3;f_1)(f_4;f_1)....(f_n-1;f_1)(f_n;f_1)=left (f_n ; f_n-1; ... f_3 ;f_2;f_1right)$$Box$
Lemma 2: Every permutation is written either odd or even number of transpositions
Proof: Omitted, it can be found, it is a little bit long.$Box$
Lemma 3: For $n>2$ every $S_n$ has even and odd permutations.
Proof: $S_3$ has $(123)$ which is even and $(12)$ which is odd. Since $forall n>3$,$S_n$ consists $S_3$, $S_n$ has even and odd permutations.$Box$
Lemma 4: Every power of a permutation is the same polarity. That is, $f$ be permutation, and $P(x)$ be polarity function that shows permutations odd or even.
$P(f)=P(f^2)=....=P(f^d)$ where $f^d=id$
Proof: Using order and $lcm(n,m)$ lemma, I prove only for odd pemutation's powers.
Assume that $f$ is odd permutation, that is order of $f$ is even. $o(f^2)=lcm(o(f),o(f))=o(f)$ that is order of $f^2$ is even and so permutation $f^2$ is odd permutation. $Box$
Theorem: $S_n$ is not cyclic $forall n>3$
Proof: Assume that $S_n$ is cyclic for some $n>3$ so there must be an element that generates $S_n$, let call this element as $g$ and by assumption $<g>=S_n$ but it is wrong because $g$ can only generate like its polarity (that is, if $g$ is even permutation, $g$ can only generate even permutation but there is odds ass well, and for $g$ is odd, logic is the same.)$ Q.e.d.
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This is my approach, the idea is very elementary, I enjoyed thinking it, it may be little intuitive (if there is something wrong, please warn me).
Lemma 1: Every permutation can be written by product of transpositions.
Proof: Let $f=left (f_n ; f_n-1; ... f_3 ;f_2;f_1right)$ and for arbitrary $ninmathbb N^+$ $f$ is equal to $(f_2;f_1)(f_3;f_1)(f_4;f_1)....(f_n-1;f_1)(f_n;f_1)=left (f_n ; f_n-1; ... f_3 ;f_2;f_1right)$$Box$
Lemma 2: Every permutation is written either odd or even number of transpositions
Proof: Omitted, it can be found, it is a little bit long.$Box$
Lemma 3: For $n>2$ every $S_n$ has even and odd permutations.
Proof: $S_3$ has $(123)$ which is even and $(12)$ which is odd. Since $forall n>3$,$S_n$ consists $S_3$, $S_n$ has even and odd permutations.$Box$
Lemma 4: Every power of a permutation is the same polarity. That is, $f$ be permutation, and $P(x)$ be polarity function that shows permutations odd or even.
$P(f)=P(f^2)=....=P(f^d)$ where $f^d=id$
Proof: Using order and $lcm(n,m)$ lemma, I prove only for odd pemutation's powers.
Assume that $f$ is odd permutation, that is order of $f$ is even. $o(f^2)=lcm(o(f),o(f))=o(f)$ that is order of $f^2$ is even and so permutation $f^2$ is odd permutation. $Box$
Theorem: $S_n$ is not cyclic $forall n>3$
Proof: Assume that $S_n$ is cyclic for some $n>3$ so there must be an element that generates $S_n$, let call this element as $g$ and by assumption $<g>=S_n$ but it is wrong because $g$ can only generate like its polarity (that is, if $g$ is even permutation, $g$ can only generate even permutation but there is odds ass well, and for $g$ is odd, logic is the same.)$ Q.e.d.
answered Apr 2 '18 at 21:06
user2312512851user2312512851
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kudos for some original thoughts!
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– Ishan Srivastava
Nov 23 '18 at 5:38
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kudos for some original thoughts!
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– Ishan Srivastava
Nov 23 '18 at 5:38
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1
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kudos for some original thoughts!
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– Ishan Srivastava
Nov 23 '18 at 5:38
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kudos for some original thoughts!
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– Ishan Srivastava
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Proof is wrong since for $S_5$ there exists $(123)(45)in S_5$ but this is order $10$.(contradiction)
Theorem: $S_n$ is not cyclic $forall n>3$
Proof: $|S_n|=n!$, pick an element and assume that $gin S_n$ is generator of $S_n$, $<g>=S_n$ and such that $o(<g>)=n!$ but it is impossible since $S_n$'s elements can have only at most order $n$, contradiction. $Box$
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Proof is wrong since for $S_5$ there exists $(123)(45)in S_5$ but this is order $10$.(contradiction)
Theorem: $S_n$ is not cyclic $forall n>3$
Proof: $|S_n|=n!$, pick an element and assume that $gin S_n$ is generator of $S_n$, $<g>=S_n$ and such that $o(<g>)=n!$ but it is impossible since $S_n$'s elements can have only at most order $n$, contradiction. $Box$
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Proof is wrong since for $S_5$ there exists $(123)(45)in S_5$ but this is order $10$.(contradiction)
Theorem: $S_n$ is not cyclic $forall n>3$
Proof: $|S_n|=n!$, pick an element and assume that $gin S_n$ is generator of $S_n$, $<g>=S_n$ and such that $o(<g>)=n!$ but it is impossible since $S_n$'s elements can have only at most order $n$, contradiction. $Box$
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Proof is wrong since for $S_5$ there exists $(123)(45)in S_5$ but this is order $10$.(contradiction)
Theorem: $S_n$ is not cyclic $forall n>3$
Proof: $|S_n|=n!$, pick an element and assume that $gin S_n$ is generator of $S_n$, $<g>=S_n$ and such that $o(<g>)=n!$ but it is impossible since $S_n$'s elements can have only at most order $n$, contradiction. $Box$
edited Apr 3 '18 at 14:57
answered Apr 2 '18 at 21:15
user2312512851user2312512851
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$S_1$ and $S_2$ are cyclic. That's it.
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– Nishant
Mar 19 '15 at 1:32
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Symmetric groups for $n>2$ are not even abelian, so they can't be cyclic.
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@Nishant: To be pedantic, $S_0$ is also cyclic.
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– Nate Eldredge
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@NateEldredge But he already mentioned that :) (as it is isomorphic to $S_1$).
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– Tobias Kildetoft
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