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Trig Subsitution When There's No Square Root


Struggling with an integral with trig substitutionDid I solve this integral correctly? (trig substitution)What is $int frac1sqrt25y^2-10y-3dy$Using trig substitution, how do you solve an integral when the leading coefficient under the radical isn't 1?How do you solve for bounds when performing trig substitution and knowing solving the trig functions yields multiple correct values of $theta$?Evalute $intfracx^5(36x^2+1)^3/2dx$ by trig sub?Integration question with trig subSolving $intfracsqrt4+xx, text dx$Definite integral of $y=sqrt(16-x^2)$Integral $intfracsqrt4x^2-1x^3dx$ using trig identity substitution!













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I would say I'm rather good at doing trig substitution when there is a square root, but when there isn't one, I'm lost.



I'm currently trying to solve the following question:



$$Ar int_a^infty fracdx(r^2+x^2)^(3/2)$$



Anyway, so far, I have that:



$$x = rtan theta$$



$$dx = rsec^2 theta$$



$$sqrt (r^2+x^2) = rsectheta$$



The triangle I based the above values on:



Triangle I based the above values on



Given that $(r^2+x^2)^(3/2)$ can be rewritten as $ (sqrtr^2+x^2)^3$, I begin to solve.
Please pretend I have $lim limits_b to infty$ in front of every line please.



beginalign
&= Ar int_a^b fracrsec^2theta(rsectheta)^3dtheta \
&= Ar int_a^b fracrsec^2thetar^3sec^6thetadtheta \
&= fracAr int_a^b frac1sec^4thetadtheta \
&= fracAr int_a^b cos^4theta dtheta \
&= fracAr int_a^b (cos^2theta)^2 dtheta \
&= fracAr int_a^b left[ frac12 1+cos(2theta)) right]^2dtheta \
&= fracA4r int_a^b 1 + 2cos(2theta) + cos^2(2theta) dtheta \
&= fracA4r int_a^b 1 + 2cos(2theta) dtheta quad+quad fracA4r int_a^b cos^2(2theta) dtheta
endalign



And from there it gets really messed up and I end up with a weird semi-final answer of $$fracA4r[2theta+sin(2theta)] + fracA32r [4theta+sin(4theta)]$$ which is wrong after I make substitutions.



I already know that the final answer is $dfracArleft(1-dfracasqrtr^2+a^2right)$, but I really want to understand this.










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    The denominator in the 2nd line is $r^3sec^3theta$ instead of $r^3sec^6theta$.
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$begingroup$


I would say I'm rather good at doing trig substitution when there is a square root, but when there isn't one, I'm lost.



I'm currently trying to solve the following question:



$$Ar int_a^infty fracdx(r^2+x^2)^(3/2)$$



Anyway, so far, I have that:



$$x = rtan theta$$



$$dx = rsec^2 theta$$



$$sqrt (r^2+x^2) = rsectheta$$



The triangle I based the above values on:



Triangle I based the above values on



Given that $(r^2+x^2)^(3/2)$ can be rewritten as $ (sqrtr^2+x^2)^3$, I begin to solve.
Please pretend I have $lim limits_b to infty$ in front of every line please.



beginalign
&= Ar int_a^b fracrsec^2theta(rsectheta)^3dtheta \
&= Ar int_a^b fracrsec^2thetar^3sec^6thetadtheta \
&= fracAr int_a^b frac1sec^4thetadtheta \
&= fracAr int_a^b cos^4theta dtheta \
&= fracAr int_a^b (cos^2theta)^2 dtheta \
&= fracAr int_a^b left[ frac12 1+cos(2theta)) right]^2dtheta \
&= fracA4r int_a^b 1 + 2cos(2theta) + cos^2(2theta) dtheta \
&= fracA4r int_a^b 1 + 2cos(2theta) dtheta quad+quad fracA4r int_a^b cos^2(2theta) dtheta
endalign



And from there it gets really messed up and I end up with a weird semi-final answer of $$fracA4r[2theta+sin(2theta)] + fracA32r [4theta+sin(4theta)]$$ which is wrong after I make substitutions.



I already know that the final answer is $dfracArleft(1-dfracasqrtr^2+a^2right)$, but I really want to understand this.










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  • 2




    $begingroup$
    The denominator in the 2nd line is $r^3sec^3theta$ instead of $r^3sec^6theta$.
    $endgroup$
    – Kay K.
    Mar 10 at 21:22














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$begingroup$


I would say I'm rather good at doing trig substitution when there is a square root, but when there isn't one, I'm lost.



I'm currently trying to solve the following question:



$$Ar int_a^infty fracdx(r^2+x^2)^(3/2)$$



Anyway, so far, I have that:



$$x = rtan theta$$



$$dx = rsec^2 theta$$



$$sqrt (r^2+x^2) = rsectheta$$



The triangle I based the above values on:



Triangle I based the above values on



Given that $(r^2+x^2)^(3/2)$ can be rewritten as $ (sqrtr^2+x^2)^3$, I begin to solve.
Please pretend I have $lim limits_b to infty$ in front of every line please.



beginalign
&= Ar int_a^b fracrsec^2theta(rsectheta)^3dtheta \
&= Ar int_a^b fracrsec^2thetar^3sec^6thetadtheta \
&= fracAr int_a^b frac1sec^4thetadtheta \
&= fracAr int_a^b cos^4theta dtheta \
&= fracAr int_a^b (cos^2theta)^2 dtheta \
&= fracAr int_a^b left[ frac12 1+cos(2theta)) right]^2dtheta \
&= fracA4r int_a^b 1 + 2cos(2theta) + cos^2(2theta) dtheta \
&= fracA4r int_a^b 1 + 2cos(2theta) dtheta quad+quad fracA4r int_a^b cos^2(2theta) dtheta
endalign



And from there it gets really messed up and I end up with a weird semi-final answer of $$fracA4r[2theta+sin(2theta)] + fracA32r [4theta+sin(4theta)]$$ which is wrong after I make substitutions.



I already know that the final answer is $dfracArleft(1-dfracasqrtr^2+a^2right)$, but I really want to understand this.










share|cite|improve this question











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I would say I'm rather good at doing trig substitution when there is a square root, but when there isn't one, I'm lost.



I'm currently trying to solve the following question:



$$Ar int_a^infty fracdx(r^2+x^2)^(3/2)$$



Anyway, so far, I have that:



$$x = rtan theta$$



$$dx = rsec^2 theta$$



$$sqrt (r^2+x^2) = rsectheta$$



The triangle I based the above values on:



Triangle I based the above values on



Given that $(r^2+x^2)^(3/2)$ can be rewritten as $ (sqrtr^2+x^2)^3$, I begin to solve.
Please pretend I have $lim limits_b to infty$ in front of every line please.



beginalign
&= Ar int_a^b fracrsec^2theta(rsectheta)^3dtheta \
&= Ar int_a^b fracrsec^2thetar^3sec^6thetadtheta \
&= fracAr int_a^b frac1sec^4thetadtheta \
&= fracAr int_a^b cos^4theta dtheta \
&= fracAr int_a^b (cos^2theta)^2 dtheta \
&= fracAr int_a^b left[ frac12 1+cos(2theta)) right]^2dtheta \
&= fracA4r int_a^b 1 + 2cos(2theta) + cos^2(2theta) dtheta \
&= fracA4r int_a^b 1 + 2cos(2theta) dtheta quad+quad fracA4r int_a^b cos^2(2theta) dtheta
endalign



And from there it gets really messed up and I end up with a weird semi-final answer of $$fracA4r[2theta+sin(2theta)] + fracA32r [4theta+sin(4theta)]$$ which is wrong after I make substitutions.



I already know that the final answer is $dfracArleft(1-dfracasqrtr^2+a^2right)$, but I really want to understand this.







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    $begingroup$
    The denominator in the 2nd line is $r^3sec^3theta$ instead of $r^3sec^6theta$.
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    – Kay K.
    Mar 10 at 21:22













  • 2




    $begingroup$
    The denominator in the 2nd line is $r^3sec^3theta$ instead of $r^3sec^6theta$.
    $endgroup$
    – Kay K.
    Mar 10 at 21:22








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The denominator in the 2nd line is $r^3sec^3theta$ instead of $r^3sec^6theta$.
$endgroup$
– Kay K.
Mar 10 at 21:22





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You are doing $(rsectheta)^3=r^6sec^6theta$. Oops! ;-)




There's a slicker way to do it.



Get rid of the $r$ with $x=ru$ to begin with, so your integral becomes
$$
fracArint_a/r^inftyfrac1(1+u^2)^3/2,du
$$

Now let's concentrate on the antiderivative
$$
intfrac1(1+u^2)^3/2,du=
intfrac1+u^2-u^2(1+u^2)^3/2,du=
intfrac1(1+u^2)^1/2,du-intfracu^2(1+u^2)^3/2,du
$$

Do the second term by parts
$$
int ufracu(1+u^2)^3/2,du=
-fracu(1+u^2)^1/2+intfrac1(1+u^2)^1/2,du
$$

See what happens?
$$
intfrac1(1+u^2)^3/2,du=fracu(1+u^2)^1/2+c
$$

which we can verify by direct differentiation.



Now
$$
left[fracu(1+u^2)^1/2right]_a/r^infty=1-fraca/r(1+(a/r)^2)^1/2
=1-fraca(r^2+a^2)^1/2
$$

and your integral is indeed
$$
fracArleft(1-fracasqrtr^2+a^2right)
$$






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    Firstly you made an error in the first line of working
    $$(rsec(theta))^3=r^3sec^3(theta)$$
    Secondly, you need to change the range of integration after performing a substitution. If $theta=arctan(fracxr)$ then the limits should change as $x=a implies theta=arctan(fracar)$ also $x=infty implies theta=fracpi2$.






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      $begingroup$

      You are doing $(rsectheta)^3=r^6sec^6theta$. Oops! ;-)




      There's a slicker way to do it.



      Get rid of the $r$ with $x=ru$ to begin with, so your integral becomes
      $$
      fracArint_a/r^inftyfrac1(1+u^2)^3/2,du
      $$

      Now let's concentrate on the antiderivative
      $$
      intfrac1(1+u^2)^3/2,du=
      intfrac1+u^2-u^2(1+u^2)^3/2,du=
      intfrac1(1+u^2)^1/2,du-intfracu^2(1+u^2)^3/2,du
      $$

      Do the second term by parts
      $$
      int ufracu(1+u^2)^3/2,du=
      -fracu(1+u^2)^1/2+intfrac1(1+u^2)^1/2,du
      $$

      See what happens?
      $$
      intfrac1(1+u^2)^3/2,du=fracu(1+u^2)^1/2+c
      $$

      which we can verify by direct differentiation.



      Now
      $$
      left[fracu(1+u^2)^1/2right]_a/r^infty=1-fraca/r(1+(a/r)^2)^1/2
      =1-fraca(r^2+a^2)^1/2
      $$

      and your integral is indeed
      $$
      fracArleft(1-fracasqrtr^2+a^2right)
      $$






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        $begingroup$

        You are doing $(rsectheta)^3=r^6sec^6theta$. Oops! ;-)




        There's a slicker way to do it.



        Get rid of the $r$ with $x=ru$ to begin with, so your integral becomes
        $$
        fracArint_a/r^inftyfrac1(1+u^2)^3/2,du
        $$

        Now let's concentrate on the antiderivative
        $$
        intfrac1(1+u^2)^3/2,du=
        intfrac1+u^2-u^2(1+u^2)^3/2,du=
        intfrac1(1+u^2)^1/2,du-intfracu^2(1+u^2)^3/2,du
        $$

        Do the second term by parts
        $$
        int ufracu(1+u^2)^3/2,du=
        -fracu(1+u^2)^1/2+intfrac1(1+u^2)^1/2,du
        $$

        See what happens?
        $$
        intfrac1(1+u^2)^3/2,du=fracu(1+u^2)^1/2+c
        $$

        which we can verify by direct differentiation.



        Now
        $$
        left[fracu(1+u^2)^1/2right]_a/r^infty=1-fraca/r(1+(a/r)^2)^1/2
        =1-fraca(r^2+a^2)^1/2
        $$

        and your integral is indeed
        $$
        fracArleft(1-fracasqrtr^2+a^2right)
        $$






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          9





          $begingroup$

          You are doing $(rsectheta)^3=r^6sec^6theta$. Oops! ;-)




          There's a slicker way to do it.



          Get rid of the $r$ with $x=ru$ to begin with, so your integral becomes
          $$
          fracArint_a/r^inftyfrac1(1+u^2)^3/2,du
          $$

          Now let's concentrate on the antiderivative
          $$
          intfrac1(1+u^2)^3/2,du=
          intfrac1+u^2-u^2(1+u^2)^3/2,du=
          intfrac1(1+u^2)^1/2,du-intfracu^2(1+u^2)^3/2,du
          $$

          Do the second term by parts
          $$
          int ufracu(1+u^2)^3/2,du=
          -fracu(1+u^2)^1/2+intfrac1(1+u^2)^1/2,du
          $$

          See what happens?
          $$
          intfrac1(1+u^2)^3/2,du=fracu(1+u^2)^1/2+c
          $$

          which we can verify by direct differentiation.



          Now
          $$
          left[fracu(1+u^2)^1/2right]_a/r^infty=1-fraca/r(1+(a/r)^2)^1/2
          =1-fraca(r^2+a^2)^1/2
          $$

          and your integral is indeed
          $$
          fracArleft(1-fracasqrtr^2+a^2right)
          $$






          share|cite|improve this answer









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          You are doing $(rsectheta)^3=r^6sec^6theta$. Oops! ;-)




          There's a slicker way to do it.



          Get rid of the $r$ with $x=ru$ to begin with, so your integral becomes
          $$
          fracArint_a/r^inftyfrac1(1+u^2)^3/2,du
          $$

          Now let's concentrate on the antiderivative
          $$
          intfrac1(1+u^2)^3/2,du=
          intfrac1+u^2-u^2(1+u^2)^3/2,du=
          intfrac1(1+u^2)^1/2,du-intfracu^2(1+u^2)^3/2,du
          $$

          Do the second term by parts
          $$
          int ufracu(1+u^2)^3/2,du=
          -fracu(1+u^2)^1/2+intfrac1(1+u^2)^1/2,du
          $$

          See what happens?
          $$
          intfrac1(1+u^2)^3/2,du=fracu(1+u^2)^1/2+c
          $$

          which we can verify by direct differentiation.



          Now
          $$
          left[fracu(1+u^2)^1/2right]_a/r^infty=1-fraca/r(1+(a/r)^2)^1/2
          =1-fraca(r^2+a^2)^1/2
          $$

          and your integral is indeed
          $$
          fracArleft(1-fracasqrtr^2+a^2right)
          $$







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              Firstly you made an error in the first line of working
              $$(rsec(theta))^3=r^3sec^3(theta)$$
              Secondly, you need to change the range of integration after performing a substitution. If $theta=arctan(fracxr)$ then the limits should change as $x=a implies theta=arctan(fracar)$ also $x=infty implies theta=fracpi2$.






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                Firstly you made an error in the first line of working
                $$(rsec(theta))^3=r^3sec^3(theta)$$
                Secondly, you need to change the range of integration after performing a substitution. If $theta=arctan(fracxr)$ then the limits should change as $x=a implies theta=arctan(fracar)$ also $x=infty implies theta=fracpi2$.






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                  Firstly you made an error in the first line of working
                  $$(rsec(theta))^3=r^3sec^3(theta)$$
                  Secondly, you need to change the range of integration after performing a substitution. If $theta=arctan(fracxr)$ then the limits should change as $x=a implies theta=arctan(fracar)$ also $x=infty implies theta=fracpi2$.






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                  Firstly you made an error in the first line of working
                  $$(rsec(theta))^3=r^3sec^3(theta)$$
                  Secondly, you need to change the range of integration after performing a substitution. If $theta=arctan(fracxr)$ then the limits should change as $x=a implies theta=arctan(fracar)$ also $x=infty implies theta=fracpi2$.







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