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Conjecture that $ fracgcd(a+b,ab)gcd(a,b) mid gcd(a,b)$
The 2019 Stack Overflow Developer Survey Results Are InProve $gcd(a,b)=gcd(a+b,operatornamelcm(a,b))$If $ a mid bc $ then $fracagcd(a,b) mid c$?Prove that $gcd(ab,m) mid ( gcd(a,m) * gcd(b,m) )$Prove that if $dmidgcd(a,b)$, then $dmid a$ and $dmid b$.Show that if $gcd(a,c)=d$, $amid b$ and $cmid b$, then $acmid bd$If $c mid a, c mid b$ and $d = gcd(a, b)$, then $gcd(fracac,fracbc) = fracdc$.Conjecture: $ gcd(operatornamerad(a+b) ,ab)= operatornamerad(gcd(a,b))$A confession and a conjecture $gcd(a-b,a+b)|2gcd(a,b)$A conjecture of exercise type: $gcd(a,b)^2=gcd(a^2+b^2,ab)$Prove if $nmid ab$, then $nmid [gcd(a,n) times gcd(b,n)]$Conjecture about primes and the greatest common divisor
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I have discovered some exercise type conjectures which I can't prove and this is one of them:
Given positive integers $a,b$, then
$$ fracgcd(a+b,ab)gcd(a,b) bigg| gcd(a,b)$$
Can this be proved or disproved?
From time to time, when testing my growing math packages BigZ and Forthmath, I recognize some patterns which I can't prove or disprove (or even have the ambition to). I post them here with the hope that it will not annoy too much. I hope you can bear with it.
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I have discovered some exercise type conjectures which I can't prove and this is one of them:
Given positive integers $a,b$, then
$$ fracgcd(a+b,ab)gcd(a,b) bigg| gcd(a,b)$$
Can this be proved or disproved?
From time to time, when testing my growing math packages BigZ and Forthmath, I recognize some patterns which I can't prove or disprove (or even have the ambition to). I post them here with the hope that it will not annoy too much. I hope you can bear with it.
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@clathratus Be aware that many users don't share that opinion (esp. since it often leads to actions detrimental to the enrichment of the site).
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I have discovered some exercise type conjectures which I can't prove and this is one of them:
Given positive integers $a,b$, then
$$ fracgcd(a+b,ab)gcd(a,b) bigg| gcd(a,b)$$
Can this be proved or disproved?
From time to time, when testing my growing math packages BigZ and Forthmath, I recognize some patterns which I can't prove or disprove (or even have the ambition to). I post them here with the hope that it will not annoy too much. I hope you can bear with it.
elementary-number-theory greatest-common-divisor conjectures
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I have discovered some exercise type conjectures which I can't prove and this is one of them:
Given positive integers $a,b$, then
$$ fracgcd(a+b,ab)gcd(a,b) bigg| gcd(a,b)$$
Can this be proved or disproved?
From time to time, when testing my growing math packages BigZ and Forthmath, I recognize some patterns which I can't prove or disprove (or even have the ambition to). I post them here with the hope that it will not annoy too much. I hope you can bear with it.
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Write $gcd(a,b)=d$, then $a=da',b=db'$ and thus $fracgcd(a+b,ab)d=gcd(a'+b',a'b'd)$ where $gcd(a',b')=1$. Notice now that $gcd(a'+b',a'b')=1$ since $a'(a'+b')-a'b'=a'^2$ and thus $gcd(a'+b',a'b')|a'^2 implies gcd(a'+b',a'b')|a'$ and $gcd(a'+b',a'b')|a'+b' implies gcd(a'+b',a'b')|a',b' implies gcd(a'+b',a'b')=1$. This means that $gcd(a'+b',a'b'd)=gcd(a'+b',d)$ and thus it divides $d$ by definition. So your conjecture is indeed true.
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You obtain $gcd(a'+b',a'b')|a'^2. $ By interchanging $a',b'$ we also have $gcd (a'+b',a'b')|b'^2.$ So $gcd (a'+b',a'b')$ is a common divisor of the co-prime pair $a'^2,b'^2.$........+1
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Let $h = gcd(a+b, ab)$ and $g = gcd(a,b).$
For each prime factor $p$ including $2,$ two cases:
(I) $$ a = p^k u, b = p^j v $$
with $k > j$ and $u,v neq 0 pmod p.$
Then $p$-adic valuation $nu_p(g) = j.$ Next $nu_p(ab) = k+j$ while $nu_p(a+b) = j.$ Put together, $nu_p(g) = nu_p(h).$
(II) $$ a = p^k u, b = p^k v $$
with $u,v neq 0 pmod p.$
Then $p$-adic valuation $nu_p(g) = k.$ Next $nu_p(ab) = 2k$ while $nu_p(a+b) geq k.$ Then
$$ k leq nu_p(h) leq 2k $$
Put together, $nu_p(h) leq 2nu_p(g).$
In either case, combining all primes,
$$ h | g^2 $$
Oh, note that we do have $g | h$ and can write $$ frachg ; | ; g $$
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Taking $D=(a,b)$, then $a=DA$ and $b=DB$, $(ab,a+b)=D(A+B,ABD)$ and $(A,B)=1$. So you want to know if $(ab,a+b)/D$ divides $D$, i.e. $(A+B,ABD)|D$? well, let's see if the prime common divisors between $A+B$ and $ABD$ are divisor of $D$ as well.
If $p$ is a prime common divisor of $A+B$ and $ABD$, by Gauss lemma, $p|A$ or $p|B$ or $p|D$. If $p|A$ or $p|B$ there is a contradiction with the coprimality of $A$ and $B$ $p$ cause if $p|A$ then $p|(A+B)-A=B$. So $p|D$.
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I like how "¿" is used by non-hispanophone mathematicians as well :)
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@barto haha I'm spanish native speaker indeed, it got mixed up :P
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Recall $(a,b) = (a!+!b,rm lcm(a,b)),$ so $,(a!+!b,ab)mid (a,b)^2! = (a!+!b,rm lcm(a,b))^2$ by $,abmid rm lcm(a,b)^2$
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Let $m=gcd(a,b)$. Now $mmid a$ and $mmid b$, so $m^2mid ab$.
Let $a=a_1m$, $b=b_1m$, for some positive integers $a_1$, $b_1ge1$, then $a+b=ma_1+mb_1=m(a_1+b_1)$, so $mmid a+b$.
There are three cases to consider:
Case 1:
If $mnmid(a_1+b_1)$ then $gcd(a+b,ab)=m$, and we have
$$fracgcd(a+b,ab)gcd(a,b)=fracmm=1midgcd(a,b)=m$$
and the conjecture is true in this case.
Now we need to check whether $m^2mid a+b=m(a_1+b_1)$, which is equivalent to $mmid(a_1+b_1)$.
Case 2:
If $a_1+b_1=mc$, for some integer $cge1$, then $mmid(a_1+b_1)$, and so $m^2mid a+b=m(a_1+b_1)$. In this case $gcd(a+b,ab)=m^2$ (note we cannot have $gcd(a+b,ab)>m^2$ as $gcd(a,b)=m$, therefore $m^3nmid ab$), and we have
$$fracgcd(a+b,ab)gcd(a,b)=fracm^2m=mmidgcd(a,b)=m$$
and the conjecture is true in this case.
Consider lastly the case:
Case 3:
Let us assume
$$m<gcd(a+b,ab)=gcd(m(a_1+b_1),m^2a_1b_1)=mgcd(a_1+b_1,ma_1b_1)<m^2$$
which simplifies to
$$1<gcd(a_1+b_1,ma_1b_1)<m$$
We cannot have $mmid(a_1+b_1)$, as then $gcd(a_1+b_1,ma_1b_1)=m$, a contradiction. Further simplification gives
$$1<gcd(a_1+b_1,a_1b_1)<m$$
Let $p$ be s.t. $1<p<m$ and $gcd(a_1+b_1,a_1b_1)=p$. Then $pmid a_1+b_1$ and $pmid a_1b_1$, then $pmid a_1$ or $b_1$. If $pmid a_1$ then $pmid a_1+b_1$ implies $pmid(a_1+b_1)-a_1=b_1$, a contradiction since $gcd(a_1,b_1)=1$.
So $gcd(a_1+b_1,a_1b_1)=1$, and it follows $gcd(a+b,ab)$ can take no value in $(m,m^2)$.
The conjecture is true.
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I may misunderstand, but $a=35$ and $b=63$ gives $fracgcd(a+b,ab)gcd(a,b)=7$.
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@Lehs Thanks. I started off with the two conditions $m/m$ and $m^2/m$ to check and foolishly forgot to add $a_1+b_1$ as well as factor.
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Write $gcd(a,b)=d$, then $a=da',b=db'$ and thus $fracgcd(a+b,ab)d=gcd(a'+b',a'b'd)$ where $gcd(a',b')=1$. Notice now that $gcd(a'+b',a'b')=1$ since $a'(a'+b')-a'b'=a'^2$ and thus $gcd(a'+b',a'b')|a'^2 implies gcd(a'+b',a'b')|a'$ and $gcd(a'+b',a'b')|a'+b' implies gcd(a'+b',a'b')|a',b' implies gcd(a'+b',a'b')=1$. This means that $gcd(a'+b',a'b'd)=gcd(a'+b',d)$ and thus it divides $d$ by definition. So your conjecture is indeed true.
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You obtain $gcd(a'+b',a'b')|a'^2. $ By interchanging $a',b'$ we also have $gcd (a'+b',a'b')|b'^2.$ So $gcd (a'+b',a'b')$ is a common divisor of the co-prime pair $a'^2,b'^2.$........+1
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Write $gcd(a,b)=d$, then $a=da',b=db'$ and thus $fracgcd(a+b,ab)d=gcd(a'+b',a'b'd)$ where $gcd(a',b')=1$. Notice now that $gcd(a'+b',a'b')=1$ since $a'(a'+b')-a'b'=a'^2$ and thus $gcd(a'+b',a'b')|a'^2 implies gcd(a'+b',a'b')|a'$ and $gcd(a'+b',a'b')|a'+b' implies gcd(a'+b',a'b')|a',b' implies gcd(a'+b',a'b')=1$. This means that $gcd(a'+b',a'b'd)=gcd(a'+b',d)$ and thus it divides $d$ by definition. So your conjecture is indeed true.
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You obtain $gcd(a'+b',a'b')|a'^2. $ By interchanging $a',b'$ we also have $gcd (a'+b',a'b')|b'^2.$ So $gcd (a'+b',a'b')$ is a common divisor of the co-prime pair $a'^2,b'^2.$........+1
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Write $gcd(a,b)=d$, then $a=da',b=db'$ and thus $fracgcd(a+b,ab)d=gcd(a'+b',a'b'd)$ where $gcd(a',b')=1$. Notice now that $gcd(a'+b',a'b')=1$ since $a'(a'+b')-a'b'=a'^2$ and thus $gcd(a'+b',a'b')|a'^2 implies gcd(a'+b',a'b')|a'$ and $gcd(a'+b',a'b')|a'+b' implies gcd(a'+b',a'b')|a',b' implies gcd(a'+b',a'b')=1$. This means that $gcd(a'+b',a'b'd)=gcd(a'+b',d)$ and thus it divides $d$ by definition. So your conjecture is indeed true.
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Write $gcd(a,b)=d$, then $a=da',b=db'$ and thus $fracgcd(a+b,ab)d=gcd(a'+b',a'b'd)$ where $gcd(a',b')=1$. Notice now that $gcd(a'+b',a'b')=1$ since $a'(a'+b')-a'b'=a'^2$ and thus $gcd(a'+b',a'b')|a'^2 implies gcd(a'+b',a'b')|a'$ and $gcd(a'+b',a'b')|a'+b' implies gcd(a'+b',a'b')|a',b' implies gcd(a'+b',a'b')=1$. This means that $gcd(a'+b',a'b'd)=gcd(a'+b',d)$ and thus it divides $d$ by definition. So your conjecture is indeed true.
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You obtain $gcd(a'+b',a'b')|a'^2. $ By interchanging $a',b'$ we also have $gcd (a'+b',a'b')|b'^2.$ So $gcd (a'+b',a'b')$ is a common divisor of the co-prime pair $a'^2,b'^2.$........+1
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You obtain $gcd(a'+b',a'b')|a'^2. $ By interchanging $a',b'$ we also have $gcd (a'+b',a'b')|b'^2.$ So $gcd (a'+b',a'b')$ is a common divisor of the co-prime pair $a'^2,b'^2.$........+1
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You obtain $gcd(a'+b',a'b')|a'^2. $ By interchanging $a',b'$ we also have $gcd (a'+b',a'b')|b'^2.$ So $gcd (a'+b',a'b')$ is a common divisor of the co-prime pair $a'^2,b'^2.$........+1
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You obtain $gcd(a'+b',a'b')|a'^2. $ By interchanging $a',b'$ we also have $gcd (a'+b',a'b')|b'^2.$ So $gcd (a'+b',a'b')$ is a common divisor of the co-prime pair $a'^2,b'^2.$........+1
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P-adic_order
Let $h = gcd(a+b, ab)$ and $g = gcd(a,b).$
For each prime factor $p$ including $2,$ two cases:
(I) $$ a = p^k u, b = p^j v $$
with $k > j$ and $u,v neq 0 pmod p.$
Then $p$-adic valuation $nu_p(g) = j.$ Next $nu_p(ab) = k+j$ while $nu_p(a+b) = j.$ Put together, $nu_p(g) = nu_p(h).$
(II) $$ a = p^k u, b = p^k v $$
with $u,v neq 0 pmod p.$
Then $p$-adic valuation $nu_p(g) = k.$ Next $nu_p(ab) = 2k$ while $nu_p(a+b) geq k.$ Then
$$ k leq nu_p(h) leq 2k $$
Put together, $nu_p(h) leq 2nu_p(g).$
In either case, combining all primes,
$$ h | g^2 $$
Oh, note that we do have $g | h$ and can write $$ frachg ; | ; g $$
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Let $h = gcd(a+b, ab)$ and $g = gcd(a,b).$
For each prime factor $p$ including $2,$ two cases:
(I) $$ a = p^k u, b = p^j v $$
with $k > j$ and $u,v neq 0 pmod p.$
Then $p$-adic valuation $nu_p(g) = j.$ Next $nu_p(ab) = k+j$ while $nu_p(a+b) = j.$ Put together, $nu_p(g) = nu_p(h).$
(II) $$ a = p^k u, b = p^k v $$
with $u,v neq 0 pmod p.$
Then $p$-adic valuation $nu_p(g) = k.$ Next $nu_p(ab) = 2k$ while $nu_p(a+b) geq k.$ Then
$$ k leq nu_p(h) leq 2k $$
Put together, $nu_p(h) leq 2nu_p(g).$
In either case, combining all primes,
$$ h | g^2 $$
Oh, note that we do have $g | h$ and can write $$ frachg ; | ; g $$
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P-adic_order
Let $h = gcd(a+b, ab)$ and $g = gcd(a,b).$
For each prime factor $p$ including $2,$ two cases:
(I) $$ a = p^k u, b = p^j v $$
with $k > j$ and $u,v neq 0 pmod p.$
Then $p$-adic valuation $nu_p(g) = j.$ Next $nu_p(ab) = k+j$ while $nu_p(a+b) = j.$ Put together, $nu_p(g) = nu_p(h).$
(II) $$ a = p^k u, b = p^k v $$
with $u,v neq 0 pmod p.$
Then $p$-adic valuation $nu_p(g) = k.$ Next $nu_p(ab) = 2k$ while $nu_p(a+b) geq k.$ Then
$$ k leq nu_p(h) leq 2k $$
Put together, $nu_p(h) leq 2nu_p(g).$
In either case, combining all primes,
$$ h | g^2 $$
Oh, note that we do have $g | h$ and can write $$ frachg ; | ; g $$
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P-adic_order
Let $h = gcd(a+b, ab)$ and $g = gcd(a,b).$
For each prime factor $p$ including $2,$ two cases:
(I) $$ a = p^k u, b = p^j v $$
with $k > j$ and $u,v neq 0 pmod p.$
Then $p$-adic valuation $nu_p(g) = j.$ Next $nu_p(ab) = k+j$ while $nu_p(a+b) = j.$ Put together, $nu_p(g) = nu_p(h).$
(II) $$ a = p^k u, b = p^k v $$
with $u,v neq 0 pmod p.$
Then $p$-adic valuation $nu_p(g) = k.$ Next $nu_p(ab) = 2k$ while $nu_p(a+b) geq k.$ Then
$$ k leq nu_p(h) leq 2k $$
Put together, $nu_p(h) leq 2nu_p(g).$
In either case, combining all primes,
$$ h | g^2 $$
Oh, note that we do have $g | h$ and can write $$ frachg ; | ; g $$
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Taking $D=(a,b)$, then $a=DA$ and $b=DB$, $(ab,a+b)=D(A+B,ABD)$ and $(A,B)=1$. So you want to know if $(ab,a+b)/D$ divides $D$, i.e. $(A+B,ABD)|D$? well, let's see if the prime common divisors between $A+B$ and $ABD$ are divisor of $D$ as well.
If $p$ is a prime common divisor of $A+B$ and $ABD$, by Gauss lemma, $p|A$ or $p|B$ or $p|D$. If $p|A$ or $p|B$ there is a contradiction with the coprimality of $A$ and $B$ $p$ cause if $p|A$ then $p|(A+B)-A=B$. So $p|D$.
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I like how "¿" is used by non-hispanophone mathematicians as well :)
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@barto haha I'm spanish native speaker indeed, it got mixed up :P
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Taking $D=(a,b)$, then $a=DA$ and $b=DB$, $(ab,a+b)=D(A+B,ABD)$ and $(A,B)=1$. So you want to know if $(ab,a+b)/D$ divides $D$, i.e. $(A+B,ABD)|D$? well, let's see if the prime common divisors between $A+B$ and $ABD$ are divisor of $D$ as well.
If $p$ is a prime common divisor of $A+B$ and $ABD$, by Gauss lemma, $p|A$ or $p|B$ or $p|D$. If $p|A$ or $p|B$ there is a contradiction with the coprimality of $A$ and $B$ $p$ cause if $p|A$ then $p|(A+B)-A=B$. So $p|D$.
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I like how "¿" is used by non-hispanophone mathematicians as well :)
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@barto haha I'm spanish native speaker indeed, it got mixed up :P
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Taking $D=(a,b)$, then $a=DA$ and $b=DB$, $(ab,a+b)=D(A+B,ABD)$ and $(A,B)=1$. So you want to know if $(ab,a+b)/D$ divides $D$, i.e. $(A+B,ABD)|D$? well, let's see if the prime common divisors between $A+B$ and $ABD$ are divisor of $D$ as well.
If $p$ is a prime common divisor of $A+B$ and $ABD$, by Gauss lemma, $p|A$ or $p|B$ or $p|D$. If $p|A$ or $p|B$ there is a contradiction with the coprimality of $A$ and $B$ $p$ cause if $p|A$ then $p|(A+B)-A=B$. So $p|D$.
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Taking $D=(a,b)$, then $a=DA$ and $b=DB$, $(ab,a+b)=D(A+B,ABD)$ and $(A,B)=1$. So you want to know if $(ab,a+b)/D$ divides $D$, i.e. $(A+B,ABD)|D$? well, let's see if the prime common divisors between $A+B$ and $ABD$ are divisor of $D$ as well.
If $p$ is a prime common divisor of $A+B$ and $ABD$, by Gauss lemma, $p|A$ or $p|B$ or $p|D$. If $p|A$ or $p|B$ there is a contradiction with the coprimality of $A$ and $B$ $p$ cause if $p|A$ then $p|(A+B)-A=B$. So $p|D$.
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@barto haha I'm spanish native speaker indeed, it got mixed up :P
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Recall $(a,b) = (a!+!b,rm lcm(a,b)),$ so $,(a!+!b,ab)mid (a,b)^2! = (a!+!b,rm lcm(a,b))^2$ by $,abmid rm lcm(a,b)^2$
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Recall $(a,b) = (a!+!b,rm lcm(a,b)),$ so $,(a!+!b,ab)mid (a,b)^2! = (a!+!b,rm lcm(a,b))^2$ by $,abmid rm lcm(a,b)^2$
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Recall $(a,b) = (a!+!b,rm lcm(a,b)),$ so $,(a!+!b,ab)mid (a,b)^2! = (a!+!b,rm lcm(a,b))^2$ by $,abmid rm lcm(a,b)^2$
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Recall $(a,b) = (a!+!b,rm lcm(a,b)),$ so $,(a!+!b,ab)mid (a,b)^2! = (a!+!b,rm lcm(a,b))^2$ by $,abmid rm lcm(a,b)^2$
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Let $m=gcd(a,b)$. Now $mmid a$ and $mmid b$, so $m^2mid ab$.
Let $a=a_1m$, $b=b_1m$, for some positive integers $a_1$, $b_1ge1$, then $a+b=ma_1+mb_1=m(a_1+b_1)$, so $mmid a+b$.
There are three cases to consider:
Case 1:
If $mnmid(a_1+b_1)$ then $gcd(a+b,ab)=m$, and we have
$$fracgcd(a+b,ab)gcd(a,b)=fracmm=1midgcd(a,b)=m$$
and the conjecture is true in this case.
Now we need to check whether $m^2mid a+b=m(a_1+b_1)$, which is equivalent to $mmid(a_1+b_1)$.
Case 2:
If $a_1+b_1=mc$, for some integer $cge1$, then $mmid(a_1+b_1)$, and so $m^2mid a+b=m(a_1+b_1)$. In this case $gcd(a+b,ab)=m^2$ (note we cannot have $gcd(a+b,ab)>m^2$ as $gcd(a,b)=m$, therefore $m^3nmid ab$), and we have
$$fracgcd(a+b,ab)gcd(a,b)=fracm^2m=mmidgcd(a,b)=m$$
and the conjecture is true in this case.
Consider lastly the case:
Case 3:
Let us assume
$$m<gcd(a+b,ab)=gcd(m(a_1+b_1),m^2a_1b_1)=mgcd(a_1+b_1,ma_1b_1)<m^2$$
which simplifies to
$$1<gcd(a_1+b_1,ma_1b_1)<m$$
We cannot have $mmid(a_1+b_1)$, as then $gcd(a_1+b_1,ma_1b_1)=m$, a contradiction. Further simplification gives
$$1<gcd(a_1+b_1,a_1b_1)<m$$
Let $p$ be s.t. $1<p<m$ and $gcd(a_1+b_1,a_1b_1)=p$. Then $pmid a_1+b_1$ and $pmid a_1b_1$, then $pmid a_1$ or $b_1$. If $pmid a_1$ then $pmid a_1+b_1$ implies $pmid(a_1+b_1)-a_1=b_1$, a contradiction since $gcd(a_1,b_1)=1$.
So $gcd(a_1+b_1,a_1b_1)=1$, and it follows $gcd(a+b,ab)$ can take no value in $(m,m^2)$.
The conjecture is true.
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I may misunderstand, but $a=35$ and $b=63$ gives $fracgcd(a+b,ab)gcd(a,b)=7$.
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@Lehs Thanks. I started off with the two conditions $m/m$ and $m^2/m$ to check and foolishly forgot to add $a_1+b_1$ as well as factor.
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Let $m=gcd(a,b)$. Now $mmid a$ and $mmid b$, so $m^2mid ab$.
Let $a=a_1m$, $b=b_1m$, for some positive integers $a_1$, $b_1ge1$, then $a+b=ma_1+mb_1=m(a_1+b_1)$, so $mmid a+b$.
There are three cases to consider:
Case 1:
If $mnmid(a_1+b_1)$ then $gcd(a+b,ab)=m$, and we have
$$fracgcd(a+b,ab)gcd(a,b)=fracmm=1midgcd(a,b)=m$$
and the conjecture is true in this case.
Now we need to check whether $m^2mid a+b=m(a_1+b_1)$, which is equivalent to $mmid(a_1+b_1)$.
Case 2:
If $a_1+b_1=mc$, for some integer $cge1$, then $mmid(a_1+b_1)$, and so $m^2mid a+b=m(a_1+b_1)$. In this case $gcd(a+b,ab)=m^2$ (note we cannot have $gcd(a+b,ab)>m^2$ as $gcd(a,b)=m$, therefore $m^3nmid ab$), and we have
$$fracgcd(a+b,ab)gcd(a,b)=fracm^2m=mmidgcd(a,b)=m$$
and the conjecture is true in this case.
Consider lastly the case:
Case 3:
Let us assume
$$m<gcd(a+b,ab)=gcd(m(a_1+b_1),m^2a_1b_1)=mgcd(a_1+b_1,ma_1b_1)<m^2$$
which simplifies to
$$1<gcd(a_1+b_1,ma_1b_1)<m$$
We cannot have $mmid(a_1+b_1)$, as then $gcd(a_1+b_1,ma_1b_1)=m$, a contradiction. Further simplification gives
$$1<gcd(a_1+b_1,a_1b_1)<m$$
Let $p$ be s.t. $1<p<m$ and $gcd(a_1+b_1,a_1b_1)=p$. Then $pmid a_1+b_1$ and $pmid a_1b_1$, then $pmid a_1$ or $b_1$. If $pmid a_1$ then $pmid a_1+b_1$ implies $pmid(a_1+b_1)-a_1=b_1$, a contradiction since $gcd(a_1,b_1)=1$.
So $gcd(a_1+b_1,a_1b_1)=1$, and it follows $gcd(a+b,ab)$ can take no value in $(m,m^2)$.
The conjecture is true.
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I may misunderstand, but $a=35$ and $b=63$ gives $fracgcd(a+b,ab)gcd(a,b)=7$.
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– Lehs
Aug 24 '18 at 23:26
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@Lehs Thanks. I started off with the two conditions $m/m$ and $m^2/m$ to check and foolishly forgot to add $a_1+b_1$ as well as factor.
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Let $m=gcd(a,b)$. Now $mmid a$ and $mmid b$, so $m^2mid ab$.
Let $a=a_1m$, $b=b_1m$, for some positive integers $a_1$, $b_1ge1$, then $a+b=ma_1+mb_1=m(a_1+b_1)$, so $mmid a+b$.
There are three cases to consider:
Case 1:
If $mnmid(a_1+b_1)$ then $gcd(a+b,ab)=m$, and we have
$$fracgcd(a+b,ab)gcd(a,b)=fracmm=1midgcd(a,b)=m$$
and the conjecture is true in this case.
Now we need to check whether $m^2mid a+b=m(a_1+b_1)$, which is equivalent to $mmid(a_1+b_1)$.
Case 2:
If $a_1+b_1=mc$, for some integer $cge1$, then $mmid(a_1+b_1)$, and so $m^2mid a+b=m(a_1+b_1)$. In this case $gcd(a+b,ab)=m^2$ (note we cannot have $gcd(a+b,ab)>m^2$ as $gcd(a,b)=m$, therefore $m^3nmid ab$), and we have
$$fracgcd(a+b,ab)gcd(a,b)=fracm^2m=mmidgcd(a,b)=m$$
and the conjecture is true in this case.
Consider lastly the case:
Case 3:
Let us assume
$$m<gcd(a+b,ab)=gcd(m(a_1+b_1),m^2a_1b_1)=mgcd(a_1+b_1,ma_1b_1)<m^2$$
which simplifies to
$$1<gcd(a_1+b_1,ma_1b_1)<m$$
We cannot have $mmid(a_1+b_1)$, as then $gcd(a_1+b_1,ma_1b_1)=m$, a contradiction. Further simplification gives
$$1<gcd(a_1+b_1,a_1b_1)<m$$
Let $p$ be s.t. $1<p<m$ and $gcd(a_1+b_1,a_1b_1)=p$. Then $pmid a_1+b_1$ and $pmid a_1b_1$, then $pmid a_1$ or $b_1$. If $pmid a_1$ then $pmid a_1+b_1$ implies $pmid(a_1+b_1)-a_1=b_1$, a contradiction since $gcd(a_1,b_1)=1$.
So $gcd(a_1+b_1,a_1b_1)=1$, and it follows $gcd(a+b,ab)$ can take no value in $(m,m^2)$.
The conjecture is true.
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Let $m=gcd(a,b)$. Now $mmid a$ and $mmid b$, so $m^2mid ab$.
Let $a=a_1m$, $b=b_1m$, for some positive integers $a_1$, $b_1ge1$, then $a+b=ma_1+mb_1=m(a_1+b_1)$, so $mmid a+b$.
There are three cases to consider:
Case 1:
If $mnmid(a_1+b_1)$ then $gcd(a+b,ab)=m$, and we have
$$fracgcd(a+b,ab)gcd(a,b)=fracmm=1midgcd(a,b)=m$$
and the conjecture is true in this case.
Now we need to check whether $m^2mid a+b=m(a_1+b_1)$, which is equivalent to $mmid(a_1+b_1)$.
Case 2:
If $a_1+b_1=mc$, for some integer $cge1$, then $mmid(a_1+b_1)$, and so $m^2mid a+b=m(a_1+b_1)$. In this case $gcd(a+b,ab)=m^2$ (note we cannot have $gcd(a+b,ab)>m^2$ as $gcd(a,b)=m$, therefore $m^3nmid ab$), and we have
$$fracgcd(a+b,ab)gcd(a,b)=fracm^2m=mmidgcd(a,b)=m$$
and the conjecture is true in this case.
Consider lastly the case:
Case 3:
Let us assume
$$m<gcd(a+b,ab)=gcd(m(a_1+b_1),m^2a_1b_1)=mgcd(a_1+b_1,ma_1b_1)<m^2$$
which simplifies to
$$1<gcd(a_1+b_1,ma_1b_1)<m$$
We cannot have $mmid(a_1+b_1)$, as then $gcd(a_1+b_1,ma_1b_1)=m$, a contradiction. Further simplification gives
$$1<gcd(a_1+b_1,a_1b_1)<m$$
Let $p$ be s.t. $1<p<m$ and $gcd(a_1+b_1,a_1b_1)=p$. Then $pmid a_1+b_1$ and $pmid a_1b_1$, then $pmid a_1$ or $b_1$. If $pmid a_1$ then $pmid a_1+b_1$ implies $pmid(a_1+b_1)-a_1=b_1$, a contradiction since $gcd(a_1,b_1)=1$.
So $gcd(a_1+b_1,a_1b_1)=1$, and it follows $gcd(a+b,ab)$ can take no value in $(m,m^2)$.
The conjecture is true.
edited Aug 25 '18 at 1:13
answered Aug 24 '18 at 22:35
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I may misunderstand, but $a=35$ and $b=63$ gives $fracgcd(a+b,ab)gcd(a,b)=7$.
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Aug 24 '18 at 23:26
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@Lehs Thanks. I started off with the two conditions $m/m$ and $m^2/m$ to check and foolishly forgot to add $a_1+b_1$ as well as factor.
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I may misunderstand, but $a=35$ and $b=63$ gives $fracgcd(a+b,ab)gcd(a,b)=7$.
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– Lehs
Aug 24 '18 at 23:26
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@Lehs Thanks. I started off with the two conditions $m/m$ and $m^2/m$ to check and foolishly forgot to add $a_1+b_1$ as well as factor.
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– Daniel Buck
Aug 25 '18 at 0:20
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I may misunderstand, but $a=35$ and $b=63$ gives $fracgcd(a+b,ab)gcd(a,b)=7$.
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– Lehs
Aug 24 '18 at 23:26
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I may misunderstand, but $a=35$ and $b=63$ gives $fracgcd(a+b,ab)gcd(a,b)=7$.
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– Lehs
Aug 24 '18 at 23:26
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@Lehs Thanks. I started off with the two conditions $m/m$ and $m^2/m$ to check and foolishly forgot to add $a_1+b_1$ as well as factor.
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– Daniel Buck
Aug 25 '18 at 0:20
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@Lehs Thanks. I started off with the two conditions $m/m$ and $m^2/m$ to check and foolishly forgot to add $a_1+b_1$ as well as factor.
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– Daniel Buck
Aug 25 '18 at 0:20
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