A question about fixed points and non-expansive map The 2019 Stack Overflow Developer Survey Results Are InDiameters, distances and contraction mappings on a subset of $C_mathbbR[0,1]$Show that $T:,c_0to c_0;;$, $xmapsto T(x)=(1,x_1,x_2,cdots),$ has no fixed pointsAbout fixed point and dampingConnection between codata and greatest fixed pointsNo fixed points imply no periodic pointsFixed points of complex rational functions dilemma.Contractions and Fixed PointsFind the Fixed points (Knaster-Tarski Theorem)On subgroups of isometries and their respective fixed-pointsWhy orientation-preserving self-homeomorphism of $mathbbCP^n$ when $n$ is odd must have fixed points?Show that $T:,c_0to c_0;;$, $xmapsto T(x)=(1,x_1,x_2,cdots),$ has no fixed pointsTo Prove $T $ is a self map and $T$ have no fixed points

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A question about fixed points and non-expansive map



The 2019 Stack Overflow Developer Survey Results Are InDiameters, distances and contraction mappings on a subset of $C_mathbbR[0,1]$Show that $T:,c_0to c_0;;$, $xmapsto T(x)=(1,x_1,x_2,cdots),$ has no fixed pointsAbout fixed point and dampingConnection between codata and greatest fixed pointsNo fixed points imply no periodic pointsFixed points of complex rational functions dilemma.Contractions and Fixed PointsFind the Fixed points (Knaster-Tarski Theorem)On subgroups of isometries and their respective fixed-pointsWhy orientation-preserving self-homeomorphism of $mathbbCP^n$ when $n$ is odd must have fixed points?Show that $T:,c_0to c_0;;$, $xmapsto T(x)=(1,x_1,x_2,cdots),$ has no fixed pointsTo Prove $T $ is a self map and $T$ have no fixed points










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Let $$K=_2le 1 text and x(n)ge 0 text for all nin mathbbN $$ and define $T:Kto c_0$ by $T(x)=(1-|x|_2,x(1),x(2),ldots)$. Prove :



(1) $T$ is self map on $K$ and $|Tx-Ty|_2le sqrt2 |x-y|_2$



(2) $T $ does not have fixed points in $K$



my attempt



for (2):



suppose $T$ have fixed point i.e., $Tx=x$



then $(1-|x|_2, x(1),x(2),ldots)=(x(1),x(2),ldots)$



then $x(1)=1-|x|_2, x(2)=x(1), x(3)=x(2),ldots$



$$therefore |x|_2 =left(sum ^n_n=infty |x(n)|^2right)^frac12 = left(sum ^n_n=infty (1-|x|_2)^2right)^frac12$$



but how to prove this $x$ is not in $K$?



how to prove (1)










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    It seems that your calculation does not match the definition of $T$.
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    @Song..now i edited correctly thank you
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Let $$K=_2le 1 text and x(n)ge 0 text for all nin mathbbN $$ and define $T:Kto c_0$ by $T(x)=(1-|x|_2,x(1),x(2),ldots)$. Prove :



(1) $T$ is self map on $K$ and $|Tx-Ty|_2le sqrt2 |x-y|_2$



(2) $T $ does not have fixed points in $K$



my attempt



for (2):



suppose $T$ have fixed point i.e., $Tx=x$



then $(1-|x|_2, x(1),x(2),ldots)=(x(1),x(2),ldots)$



then $x(1)=1-|x|_2, x(2)=x(1), x(3)=x(2),ldots$



$$therefore |x|_2 =left(sum ^n_n=infty |x(n)|^2right)^frac12 = left(sum ^n_n=infty (1-|x|_2)^2right)^frac12$$



but how to prove this $x$ is not in $K$?



how to prove (1)










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    It seems that your calculation does not match the definition of $T$.
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    @Song..now i edited correctly thank you
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Let $$K=_2le 1 text and x(n)ge 0 text for all nin mathbbN $$ and define $T:Kto c_0$ by $T(x)=(1-|x|_2,x(1),x(2),ldots)$. Prove :



(1) $T$ is self map on $K$ and $|Tx-Ty|_2le sqrt2 |x-y|_2$



(2) $T $ does not have fixed points in $K$



my attempt



for (2):



suppose $T$ have fixed point i.e., $Tx=x$



then $(1-|x|_2, x(1),x(2),ldots)=(x(1),x(2),ldots)$



then $x(1)=1-|x|_2, x(2)=x(1), x(3)=x(2),ldots$



$$therefore |x|_2 =left(sum ^n_n=infty |x(n)|^2right)^frac12 = left(sum ^n_n=infty (1-|x|_2)^2right)^frac12$$



but how to prove this $x$ is not in $K$?



how to prove (1)










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Let $$K=_2le 1 text and x(n)ge 0 text for all nin mathbbN $$ and define $T:Kto c_0$ by $T(x)=(1-|x|_2,x(1),x(2),ldots)$. Prove :



(1) $T$ is self map on $K$ and $|Tx-Ty|_2le sqrt2 |x-y|_2$



(2) $T $ does not have fixed points in $K$



my attempt



for (2):



suppose $T$ have fixed point i.e., $Tx=x$



then $(1-|x|_2, x(1),x(2),ldots)=(x(1),x(2),ldots)$



then $x(1)=1-|x|_2, x(2)=x(1), x(3)=x(2),ldots$



$$therefore |x|_2 =left(sum ^n_n=infty |x(n)|^2right)^frac12 = left(sum ^n_n=infty (1-|x|_2)^2right)^frac12$$



but how to prove this $x$ is not in $K$?



how to prove (1)







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    It seems that your calculation does not match the definition of $T$.
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    – Song
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    @Song..now i edited correctly thank you
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    It seems that your calculation does not match the definition of $T$.
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    – Song
    Mar 24 at 8:01











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    @Song..now i edited correctly thank you
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    – Inverse Problem
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It seems that your calculation does not match the definition of $T$.
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– Song
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It seems that your calculation does not match the definition of $T$.
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– Song
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@Song..now i edited correctly thank you
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For $(2)$ you got that if $Tx = x$ then $$x = (1-|x|_2, 1-|x|_2, ldots)$$



so $$+infty > |x|_2^2 = sum_n=1^infty (1-|x|_2)^2$$
The only way this series converges is if $1-|x|_2 = 0$, or $|x|_2 = 1$, so $x = (1,1,1ldots )$. But then clearly $|x|_2 = +infty$ and not $1$ so this is a contradiction.






To show that $T$ is actually a map $K to K$, take $x in K$ and we claim that $Tx in K$ as well.

Since $|x|_2 le 1$ we have $1-|x|_2 ge 0$ so



beginalign
|Tx|_2^2 &= (1-|x|_2)^2 + sum_n=1^infty |x_n|^2 \
&= (1-|x|_2)^2 + |x|_2^2 \
&le (1-|x|_2)^2 + 2(1-|x|_2)|x|_2 + |x|_2^2 \
&= (1-|x|_2+|x|_2)^2 \
&= 1
endalign



which means $|Tx|_2 le 1$.



Also clearly all coordinates of $$Tx = (1-|x|_2, x_1, x_2, ldots)$$
are nonnegative since $x_n ge 0, forall n in mathbbN$ and $1-|x|_2 ge 0$.



Therefore $Tx in K$.






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    @mechanodroid...thank you so much but i have doubt with how to show $T$ is self map in question (1)
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    @mechanodroid......thank you so much ......for your help
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    @mechanodroid...can you give some hint this question please...math.stackexchange.com/questions/3159556/…
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You're on the right track.



As you said - $||x||_2 =(sum ^infty_n=1 |1-||x|||_2|^2)^frac12$



There is only one possible way for this sum to converge - if and only if $||x||_2=1$. But in this case, we also get $||x||_2=0$ - a contradiction.



About (1) - let's try evaluating the required norm:



$||Tx-Ty||_2=||(1-||x||_2,x(1),x(2),...)-(1-||y||_2,y(1),y(2),...)||_2\=||(||y||_2-||x||_2,x(1)-y(1),x(2)-y(2),...)||_2\=(|||y||_2-||x||_2|^2+sum ^infty_n=2 |x(n)-y(n)|^2)^frac12\=(|||y||_2-||x||_2|^2-|x(1)-y(1)|^2+sum ^infty_n=1 |x(n)-y(n)|^2)^frac12\leq(||x-y||_2^2-|x(1)-y(1)|^2+||x-y||_2^2)^frac12\=(2||x-y||_2^2-|x(1)-y(1)|^2)^frac12\ leq sqrt2||x-y||_2$



(Every $leq$ sign is due to triangle inequality)






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    ..can you tell me how to prove self map
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    I'm not familiar with that term, what does it mean?
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It seems to me one may not need the assumption $x(n)geq 0$. In fact, if $Tx=x$,
then $|Tx|^2=|x|^2$ which says $(1-|x|)^2+x(1)^2+x(2)^2...=x(1)^2+x(2)^2+...$,
so we see $|x|=1$. Then $x(1)=0$. Let $n$ be the first integer with $x(n)neq 0$,
there exists such $n$ since $|x|=1$.
So $x(n-1)=0$, but the $n$-th component in $Tx$ is $x(n-1)=0$, contradicts
$Tx=x$ and $x(n)neq 0$.



Part 1: $|Tx-Ty|^2=[(1-|x|)-(1-|y|)]^2+[x(1)-y(1)]^2+...=(|x|-|y|)^2+|x-y|^2leq |x-y|^2+|x-y|^2=2|x-y|^2$ .






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    Ding....can you tell how to prove this is self map
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    From $|x|leq 1$, the condition $x(n)geq 0$ is preserved by $T$. Next, $|Tx|^2=(1-|x|)^2+|x|^2leq 1$, here one uses the elementary inequality $(1-a)^2+a^2leq 1$ when $0leq aleq 1$, which can be checked by finding the maximum of $(1-a)^2+a^2$ on $[0, 1]$.
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    what is this mean when u want to prove a map is self map it means we have to prove that map itself to a set
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For $(2)$ you got that if $Tx = x$ then $$x = (1-|x|_2, 1-|x|_2, ldots)$$



so $$+infty > |x|_2^2 = sum_n=1^infty (1-|x|_2)^2$$
The only way this series converges is if $1-|x|_2 = 0$, or $|x|_2 = 1$, so $x = (1,1,1ldots )$. But then clearly $|x|_2 = +infty$ and not $1$ so this is a contradiction.






To show that $T$ is actually a map $K to K$, take $x in K$ and we claim that $Tx in K$ as well.

Since $|x|_2 le 1$ we have $1-|x|_2 ge 0$ so



beginalign
|Tx|_2^2 &= (1-|x|_2)^2 + sum_n=1^infty |x_n|^2 \
&= (1-|x|_2)^2 + |x|_2^2 \
&le (1-|x|_2)^2 + 2(1-|x|_2)|x|_2 + |x|_2^2 \
&= (1-|x|_2+|x|_2)^2 \
&= 1
endalign



which means $|Tx|_2 le 1$.



Also clearly all coordinates of $$Tx = (1-|x|_2, x_1, x_2, ldots)$$
are nonnegative since $x_n ge 0, forall n in mathbbN$ and $1-|x|_2 ge 0$.



Therefore $Tx in K$.






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    @mechanodroid...thank you so much but i have doubt with how to show $T$ is self map in question (1)
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    @InverseProblem Have a look.
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    @mechanodroid......thank you so much ......for your help
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    @mechanodroid...can you give some hint this question please...math.stackexchange.com/questions/3159556/…
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For $(2)$ you got that if $Tx = x$ then $$x = (1-|x|_2, 1-|x|_2, ldots)$$



so $$+infty > |x|_2^2 = sum_n=1^infty (1-|x|_2)^2$$
The only way this series converges is if $1-|x|_2 = 0$, or $|x|_2 = 1$, so $x = (1,1,1ldots )$. But then clearly $|x|_2 = +infty$ and not $1$ so this is a contradiction.






To show that $T$ is actually a map $K to K$, take $x in K$ and we claim that $Tx in K$ as well.

Since $|x|_2 le 1$ we have $1-|x|_2 ge 0$ so



beginalign
|Tx|_2^2 &= (1-|x|_2)^2 + sum_n=1^infty |x_n|^2 \
&= (1-|x|_2)^2 + |x|_2^2 \
&le (1-|x|_2)^2 + 2(1-|x|_2)|x|_2 + |x|_2^2 \
&= (1-|x|_2+|x|_2)^2 \
&= 1
endalign



which means $|Tx|_2 le 1$.



Also clearly all coordinates of $$Tx = (1-|x|_2, x_1, x_2, ldots)$$
are nonnegative since $x_n ge 0, forall n in mathbbN$ and $1-|x|_2 ge 0$.



Therefore $Tx in K$.






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    @mechanodroid...thank you so much but i have doubt with how to show $T$ is self map in question (1)
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    @InverseProblem Have a look.
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    @mechanodroid......thank you so much ......for your help
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    @mechanodroid...can you give some hint this question please...math.stackexchange.com/questions/3159556/…
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For $(2)$ you got that if $Tx = x$ then $$x = (1-|x|_2, 1-|x|_2, ldots)$$



so $$+infty > |x|_2^2 = sum_n=1^infty (1-|x|_2)^2$$
The only way this series converges is if $1-|x|_2 = 0$, or $|x|_2 = 1$, so $x = (1,1,1ldots )$. But then clearly $|x|_2 = +infty$ and not $1$ so this is a contradiction.






To show that $T$ is actually a map $K to K$, take $x in K$ and we claim that $Tx in K$ as well.

Since $|x|_2 le 1$ we have $1-|x|_2 ge 0$ so



beginalign
|Tx|_2^2 &= (1-|x|_2)^2 + sum_n=1^infty |x_n|^2 \
&= (1-|x|_2)^2 + |x|_2^2 \
&le (1-|x|_2)^2 + 2(1-|x|_2)|x|_2 + |x|_2^2 \
&= (1-|x|_2+|x|_2)^2 \
&= 1
endalign



which means $|Tx|_2 le 1$.



Also clearly all coordinates of $$Tx = (1-|x|_2, x_1, x_2, ldots)$$
are nonnegative since $x_n ge 0, forall n in mathbbN$ and $1-|x|_2 ge 0$.



Therefore $Tx in K$.






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For $(2)$ you got that if $Tx = x$ then $$x = (1-|x|_2, 1-|x|_2, ldots)$$



so $$+infty > |x|_2^2 = sum_n=1^infty (1-|x|_2)^2$$
The only way this series converges is if $1-|x|_2 = 0$, or $|x|_2 = 1$, so $x = (1,1,1ldots )$. But then clearly $|x|_2 = +infty$ and not $1$ so this is a contradiction.






To show that $T$ is actually a map $K to K$, take $x in K$ and we claim that $Tx in K$ as well.

Since $|x|_2 le 1$ we have $1-|x|_2 ge 0$ so



beginalign
|Tx|_2^2 &= (1-|x|_2)^2 + sum_n=1^infty |x_n|^2 \
&= (1-|x|_2)^2 + |x|_2^2 \
&le (1-|x|_2)^2 + 2(1-|x|_2)|x|_2 + |x|_2^2 \
&= (1-|x|_2+|x|_2)^2 \
&= 1
endalign



which means $|Tx|_2 le 1$.



Also clearly all coordinates of $$Tx = (1-|x|_2, x_1, x_2, ldots)$$
are nonnegative since $x_n ge 0, forall n in mathbbN$ and $1-|x|_2 ge 0$.



Therefore $Tx in K$.







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    @mechanodroid...thank you so much but i have doubt with how to show $T$ is self map in question (1)
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    @InverseProblem Have a look.
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    @mechanodroid......thank you so much ......for your help
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    @mechanodroid...can you give some hint this question please...math.stackexchange.com/questions/3159556/…
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    @mechanodroid...thank you so much but i have doubt with how to show $T$ is self map in question (1)
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    @InverseProblem Have a look.
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    @mechanodroid......thank you so much ......for your help
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@mechanodroid...thank you so much but i have doubt with how to show $T$ is self map in question (1)
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@InverseProblem Have a look.
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@InverseProblem Have a look.
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@mechanodroid......thank you so much ......for your help
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@mechanodroid...can you give some hint this question please...math.stackexchange.com/questions/3159556/…
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@InverseProblem I have added an answer, can you explain what exactly is $T$ in the definition of $T_n$?
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You're on the right track.



As you said - $||x||_2 =(sum ^infty_n=1 |1-||x|||_2|^2)^frac12$



There is only one possible way for this sum to converge - if and only if $||x||_2=1$. But in this case, we also get $||x||_2=0$ - a contradiction.



About (1) - let's try evaluating the required norm:



$||Tx-Ty||_2=||(1-||x||_2,x(1),x(2),...)-(1-||y||_2,y(1),y(2),...)||_2\=||(||y||_2-||x||_2,x(1)-y(1),x(2)-y(2),...)||_2\=(|||y||_2-||x||_2|^2+sum ^infty_n=2 |x(n)-y(n)|^2)^frac12\=(|||y||_2-||x||_2|^2-|x(1)-y(1)|^2+sum ^infty_n=1 |x(n)-y(n)|^2)^frac12\leq(||x-y||_2^2-|x(1)-y(1)|^2+||x-y||_2^2)^frac12\=(2||x-y||_2^2-|x(1)-y(1)|^2)^frac12\ leq sqrt2||x-y||_2$



(Every $leq$ sign is due to triangle inequality)






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You're on the right track.



As you said - $||x||_2 =(sum ^infty_n=1 |1-||x|||_2|^2)^frac12$



There is only one possible way for this sum to converge - if and only if $||x||_2=1$. But in this case, we also get $||x||_2=0$ - a contradiction.



About (1) - let's try evaluating the required norm:



$||Tx-Ty||_2=||(1-||x||_2,x(1),x(2),...)-(1-||y||_2,y(1),y(2),...)||_2\=||(||y||_2-||x||_2,x(1)-y(1),x(2)-y(2),...)||_2\=(|||y||_2-||x||_2|^2+sum ^infty_n=2 |x(n)-y(n)|^2)^frac12\=(|||y||_2-||x||_2|^2-|x(1)-y(1)|^2+sum ^infty_n=1 |x(n)-y(n)|^2)^frac12\leq(||x-y||_2^2-|x(1)-y(1)|^2+||x-y||_2^2)^frac12\=(2||x-y||_2^2-|x(1)-y(1)|^2)^frac12\ leq sqrt2||x-y||_2$



(Every $leq$ sign is due to triangle inequality)






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You're on the right track.



As you said - $||x||_2 =(sum ^infty_n=1 |1-||x|||_2|^2)^frac12$



There is only one possible way for this sum to converge - if and only if $||x||_2=1$. But in this case, we also get $||x||_2=0$ - a contradiction.



About (1) - let's try evaluating the required norm:



$||Tx-Ty||_2=||(1-||x||_2,x(1),x(2),...)-(1-||y||_2,y(1),y(2),...)||_2\=||(||y||_2-||x||_2,x(1)-y(1),x(2)-y(2),...)||_2\=(|||y||_2-||x||_2|^2+sum ^infty_n=2 |x(n)-y(n)|^2)^frac12\=(|||y||_2-||x||_2|^2-|x(1)-y(1)|^2+sum ^infty_n=1 |x(n)-y(n)|^2)^frac12\leq(||x-y||_2^2-|x(1)-y(1)|^2+||x-y||_2^2)^frac12\=(2||x-y||_2^2-|x(1)-y(1)|^2)^frac12\ leq sqrt2||x-y||_2$



(Every $leq$ sign is due to triangle inequality)






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You're on the right track.



As you said - $||x||_2 =(sum ^infty_n=1 |1-||x|||_2|^2)^frac12$



There is only one possible way for this sum to converge - if and only if $||x||_2=1$. But in this case, we also get $||x||_2=0$ - a contradiction.



About (1) - let's try evaluating the required norm:



$||Tx-Ty||_2=||(1-||x||_2,x(1),x(2),...)-(1-||y||_2,y(1),y(2),...)||_2\=||(||y||_2-||x||_2,x(1)-y(1),x(2)-y(2),...)||_2\=(|||y||_2-||x||_2|^2+sum ^infty_n=2 |x(n)-y(n)|^2)^frac12\=(|||y||_2-||x||_2|^2-|x(1)-y(1)|^2+sum ^infty_n=1 |x(n)-y(n)|^2)^frac12\leq(||x-y||_2^2-|x(1)-y(1)|^2+||x-y||_2^2)^frac12\=(2||x-y||_2^2-|x(1)-y(1)|^2)^frac12\ leq sqrt2||x-y||_2$



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    it means that we have to prove $T$ map from $K$ to $K$
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I'm not familiar with that term, what does it mean?
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I'm not familiar with that term, what does it mean?
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it means that we have to prove $T$ map from $K$ to $K$
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It seems to me one may not need the assumption $x(n)geq 0$. In fact, if $Tx=x$,
then $|Tx|^2=|x|^2$ which says $(1-|x|)^2+x(1)^2+x(2)^2...=x(1)^2+x(2)^2+...$,
so we see $|x|=1$. Then $x(1)=0$. Let $n$ be the first integer with $x(n)neq 0$,
there exists such $n$ since $|x|=1$.
So $x(n-1)=0$, but the $n$-th component in $Tx$ is $x(n-1)=0$, contradicts
$Tx=x$ and $x(n)neq 0$.



Part 1: $|Tx-Ty|^2=[(1-|x|)-(1-|y|)]^2+[x(1)-y(1)]^2+...=(|x|-|y|)^2+|x-y|^2leq |x-y|^2+|x-y|^2=2|x-y|^2$ .






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    From $|x|leq 1$, the condition $x(n)geq 0$ is preserved by $T$. Next, $|Tx|^2=(1-|x|)^2+|x|^2leq 1$, here one uses the elementary inequality $(1-a)^2+a^2leq 1$ when $0leq aleq 1$, which can be checked by finding the maximum of $(1-a)^2+a^2$ on $[0, 1]$.
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It seems to me one may not need the assumption $x(n)geq 0$. In fact, if $Tx=x$,
then $|Tx|^2=|x|^2$ which says $(1-|x|)^2+x(1)^2+x(2)^2...=x(1)^2+x(2)^2+...$,
so we see $|x|=1$. Then $x(1)=0$. Let $n$ be the first integer with $x(n)neq 0$,
there exists such $n$ since $|x|=1$.
So $x(n-1)=0$, but the $n$-th component in $Tx$ is $x(n-1)=0$, contradicts
$Tx=x$ and $x(n)neq 0$.



Part 1: $|Tx-Ty|^2=[(1-|x|)-(1-|y|)]^2+[x(1)-y(1)]^2+...=(|x|-|y|)^2+|x-y|^2leq |x-y|^2+|x-y|^2=2|x-y|^2$ .






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    From $|x|leq 1$, the condition $x(n)geq 0$ is preserved by $T$. Next, $|Tx|^2=(1-|x|)^2+|x|^2leq 1$, here one uses the elementary inequality $(1-a)^2+a^2leq 1$ when $0leq aleq 1$, which can be checked by finding the maximum of $(1-a)^2+a^2$ on $[0, 1]$.
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It seems to me one may not need the assumption $x(n)geq 0$. In fact, if $Tx=x$,
then $|Tx|^2=|x|^2$ which says $(1-|x|)^2+x(1)^2+x(2)^2...=x(1)^2+x(2)^2+...$,
so we see $|x|=1$. Then $x(1)=0$. Let $n$ be the first integer with $x(n)neq 0$,
there exists such $n$ since $|x|=1$.
So $x(n-1)=0$, but the $n$-th component in $Tx$ is $x(n-1)=0$, contradicts
$Tx=x$ and $x(n)neq 0$.



Part 1: $|Tx-Ty|^2=[(1-|x|)-(1-|y|)]^2+[x(1)-y(1)]^2+...=(|x|-|y|)^2+|x-y|^2leq |x-y|^2+|x-y|^2=2|x-y|^2$ .






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It seems to me one may not need the assumption $x(n)geq 0$. In fact, if $Tx=x$,
then $|Tx|^2=|x|^2$ which says $(1-|x|)^2+x(1)^2+x(2)^2...=x(1)^2+x(2)^2+...$,
so we see $|x|=1$. Then $x(1)=0$. Let $n$ be the first integer with $x(n)neq 0$,
there exists such $n$ since $|x|=1$.
So $x(n-1)=0$, but the $n$-th component in $Tx$ is $x(n-1)=0$, contradicts
$Tx=x$ and $x(n)neq 0$.



Part 1: $|Tx-Ty|^2=[(1-|x|)-(1-|y|)]^2+[x(1)-y(1)]^2+...=(|x|-|y|)^2+|x-y|^2leq |x-y|^2+|x-y|^2=2|x-y|^2$ .







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    From $|x|leq 1$, the condition $x(n)geq 0$ is preserved by $T$. Next, $|Tx|^2=(1-|x|)^2+|x|^2leq 1$, here one uses the elementary inequality $(1-a)^2+a^2leq 1$ when $0leq aleq 1$, which can be checked by finding the maximum of $(1-a)^2+a^2$ on $[0, 1]$.
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    what is this mean when u want to prove a map is self map it means we have to prove that map itself to a set
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    – Inverse Problem
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    Ding....can you tell how to prove this is self map
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  • $begingroup$
    From $|x|leq 1$, the condition $x(n)geq 0$ is preserved by $T$. Next, $|Tx|^2=(1-|x|)^2+|x|^2leq 1$, here one uses the elementary inequality $(1-a)^2+a^2leq 1$ when $0leq aleq 1$, which can be checked by finding the maximum of $(1-a)^2+a^2$ on $[0, 1]$.
    $endgroup$
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    what is this mean when u want to prove a map is self map it means we have to prove that map itself to a set
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Ding....can you tell how to prove this is self map
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Ding....can you tell how to prove this is self map
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From $|x|leq 1$, the condition $x(n)geq 0$ is preserved by $T$. Next, $|Tx|^2=(1-|x|)^2+|x|^2leq 1$, here one uses the elementary inequality $(1-a)^2+a^2leq 1$ when $0leq aleq 1$, which can be checked by finding the maximum of $(1-a)^2+a^2$ on $[0, 1]$.
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From $|x|leq 1$, the condition $x(n)geq 0$ is preserved by $T$. Next, $|Tx|^2=(1-|x|)^2+|x|^2leq 1$, here one uses the elementary inequality $(1-a)^2+a^2leq 1$ when $0leq aleq 1$, which can be checked by finding the maximum of $(1-a)^2+a^2$ on $[0, 1]$.
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what is this mean when u want to prove a map is self map it means we have to prove that map itself to a set
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