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The tensor product of two blocks of positive operators is positive



The Next CEO of Stack OverflowTensor product of operatorsThe definition of addition on the tensor product of Hilbert spacesUnderstanding the working of creation and annihilation operators on Fock spacea positive matrix of operatorsTensor products of Hilbert spaces and Hilbert-Schmidt operatorsThe extension of the tensor product of two operatorsProof explanation related to the operator matricesSemi-inner product structure in complex Hilbert spacesThe tensor product of two positive operators is a positive operatorTensor product of two positive operators










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Let
$$T = beginbmatrix
T_11 & T_12\
T_21 & T_22
endbmatrix,quad
S = beginbmatrix
S_11 & S_12\
S_21 & S_22
endbmatrix$$

be two positive operators on $Eoplus E$, where $E$ is a complex Hilbert space.



Note that the inner product on $Eoplus E$ is defined as follows: If $x=beginpmatrix x_1\ x_2endpmatrixin Eoplus E$ with $x_1,x_2in E$, and $x'=beginpmatrixx_1'\ x_2'endpmatrix$ similarly, then
$$langle x,x'rangle_Eoplus E:= langle x_1,x_1'rangle_E +langle x_2,x_2'rangle_E.$$




I want to prove that
$$U = beginbmatrix
T_11otimes S_11 & T_12otimes S_12\
T_21otimes S_21 & T_22otimes S_22
endbmatrix$$

is also positive where $T_ijotimes S_ij$ denotes the tensor product of the operators $T_ij$ and $S_ij$.











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    Let
    $$T = beginbmatrix
    T_11 & T_12\
    T_21 & T_22
    endbmatrix,quad
    S = beginbmatrix
    S_11 & S_12\
    S_21 & S_22
    endbmatrix$$

    be two positive operators on $Eoplus E$, where $E$ is a complex Hilbert space.



    Note that the inner product on $Eoplus E$ is defined as follows: If $x=beginpmatrix x_1\ x_2endpmatrixin Eoplus E$ with $x_1,x_2in E$, and $x'=beginpmatrixx_1'\ x_2'endpmatrix$ similarly, then
    $$langle x,x'rangle_Eoplus E:= langle x_1,x_1'rangle_E +langle x_2,x_2'rangle_E.$$




    I want to prove that
    $$U = beginbmatrix
    T_11otimes S_11 & T_12otimes S_12\
    T_21otimes S_21 & T_22otimes S_22
    endbmatrix$$

    is also positive where $T_ijotimes S_ij$ denotes the tensor product of the operators $T_ij$ and $S_ij$.











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      Let
      $$T = beginbmatrix
      T_11 & T_12\
      T_21 & T_22
      endbmatrix,quad
      S = beginbmatrix
      S_11 & S_12\
      S_21 & S_22
      endbmatrix$$

      be two positive operators on $Eoplus E$, where $E$ is a complex Hilbert space.



      Note that the inner product on $Eoplus E$ is defined as follows: If $x=beginpmatrix x_1\ x_2endpmatrixin Eoplus E$ with $x_1,x_2in E$, and $x'=beginpmatrixx_1'\ x_2'endpmatrix$ similarly, then
      $$langle x,x'rangle_Eoplus E:= langle x_1,x_1'rangle_E +langle x_2,x_2'rangle_E.$$




      I want to prove that
      $$U = beginbmatrix
      T_11otimes S_11 & T_12otimes S_12\
      T_21otimes S_21 & T_22otimes S_22
      endbmatrix$$

      is also positive where $T_ijotimes S_ij$ denotes the tensor product of the operators $T_ij$ and $S_ij$.











      share|cite|improve this question











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      Let
      $$T = beginbmatrix
      T_11 & T_12\
      T_21 & T_22
      endbmatrix,quad
      S = beginbmatrix
      S_11 & S_12\
      S_21 & S_22
      endbmatrix$$

      be two positive operators on $Eoplus E$, where $E$ is a complex Hilbert space.



      Note that the inner product on $Eoplus E$ is defined as follows: If $x=beginpmatrix x_1\ x_2endpmatrixin Eoplus E$ with $x_1,x_2in E$, and $x'=beginpmatrixx_1'\ x_2'endpmatrix$ similarly, then
      $$langle x,x'rangle_Eoplus E:= langle x_1,x_1'rangle_E +langle x_2,x_2'rangle_E.$$




      I want to prove that
      $$U = beginbmatrix
      T_11otimes S_11 & T_12otimes S_12\
      T_21otimes S_21 & T_22otimes S_22
      endbmatrix$$

      is also positive where $T_ijotimes S_ij$ denotes the tensor product of the operators $T_ij$ and $S_ij$.








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          This might not be the easiest way to prove this but it is the best I could come up with after 10 minutes of thinking about the problem. There are two steps to this idea. For this, be aware that $Eoplus Esimeq Eotimesmathbb C^2$.




          Lemma. Let $H$ be any complex Hilbert space (so, e.g., $H=Eotimes mathbb C^2$ which recovers our case). If $T,Sinmathcal B(H)$ are positive semi-definite, then the same holds for $Totimes S inmathcal B(Hotimes H),$.




          Proof. Use that an element $X$ in $mathcal B(H)$ is positive (semi-definite)--denoted by $Xgeq 0$--if and only if $X=Y^dagger Y$ for some $Yin mathcal B(H)$. Due to $T,Sgeq 0$ we know $T=tilde T^daggertilde T$, $S=tilde S^daggertilde S$ which implies
          $$
          Totimes S=( tilde T^daggertilde T otimes tilde S^daggertilde S)=(tilde Totimestilde S)^dagger (tilde Totimestilde S)geq 0
          $$

          because it is also of positive form. $square$



          Now of course $Uneq Totimes S$ but $colorblueU$ is actually "contained" within $Totimes S$ due to
          $$
          Totimes S=beginpmatrix
          colorblueT_11otimes S_11 & T_11otimes S_12 &T_12otimes S_11 &colorblueT_12otimes S_12 \
          T_11otimes S_21 & T_11otimes S_22 &T_12otimes S_21 &T_12otimes S_22 \
          T_21otimes S_11 & T_21otimes S_12 &T_22otimes S_11&T_22otimes S_12\
          colorblueT_21otimes S_21 & T_21otimes S_22 &T_22otimes S_21 &colorblueT_22otimes S_22endpmatrix
          $$

          so we only have to "extract the blocks we care about", loosely speaking. For this, consider
          $$
          P=beginpmatrixoperatornameid_Eotimes E&0\0&0\0&0\0&operatornameid_Eotimes Eendpmatrixinmathcal B(Eotimes Eotimes mathbb C^2,Eotimes Eotimesmathbb C^4),.
          $$

          so $P$ embeds $Eotimes Eotimes mathbb C^2$ into $Eotimes Eotimesmathbb C^4$ via $(x,y)mapsto P(x,y)=(x,0,0,y)$. With this $$boxedU=P^dagger (Totimes S)P$$ which is readily verified by, e.g., multiplying out the corresponding "matrices". With this we are only one step away from our desired result.




          Lemma. Let $G,H$ be complex Hilbert spaces and $Ainmathcal B(H)$ $Binmathcal B(G,H)$. If $Ageq 0$, then $B^dagger AB geq 0$.




          Proof. By assumption, $A=tilde A^daggertilde A$ for some $tilde Ainmathcal B(H)$ so $B^dagger AB=B^dagger(tilde A^daggertilde A)B=(tilde AB)^dagger tilde ABgeq 0$. $square$



          Finally, we know that $Totimes Sgeq 0$ (first lemma) so $$0leq U=P^dagger (Totimes S) Pinmathcal B(Eotimes Eotimesmathbb C^2)=mathcal B(Eotimes E)otimes mathbb C^2times 2$$ which concludes the overall proof. This also "recovers" the result that principal submatrices of positive matrices are positive.






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            Thank you for your answer. However I don't understand the idea of your proof. Please see page 13 of this paper: ajmaa.org/searchroot/files/pdf/v13n1/v13i1p7.pdf
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            I checked page 13 in the manuscript you linked but I'm not sure what I'm supposed to find there. It is even shown there that if $T,S$ are positive then so is $Totimes S$ (which is what I called Lemma 1). The problem is that $Totimes S$ is "too large", you want positivity if you only consider the corner block-elements (which you called $U$)--and those are extracted by the embedding $P$ + using that every map of the form $Xmapsto Y^dagger XY$ preserves positivity. If there's any concrete gap in your understanding, I'll gladly try to help you after you tell me about it.
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            – Frederik vom Ende
            Mar 23 at 12:41






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            Thank you very much. I will try to understand your proof and then I will let you know . Thanks a lot.
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          $begingroup$

          This might not be the easiest way to prove this but it is the best I could come up with after 10 minutes of thinking about the problem. There are two steps to this idea. For this, be aware that $Eoplus Esimeq Eotimesmathbb C^2$.




          Lemma. Let $H$ be any complex Hilbert space (so, e.g., $H=Eotimes mathbb C^2$ which recovers our case). If $T,Sinmathcal B(H)$ are positive semi-definite, then the same holds for $Totimes S inmathcal B(Hotimes H),$.




          Proof. Use that an element $X$ in $mathcal B(H)$ is positive (semi-definite)--denoted by $Xgeq 0$--if and only if $X=Y^dagger Y$ for some $Yin mathcal B(H)$. Due to $T,Sgeq 0$ we know $T=tilde T^daggertilde T$, $S=tilde S^daggertilde S$ which implies
          $$
          Totimes S=( tilde T^daggertilde T otimes tilde S^daggertilde S)=(tilde Totimestilde S)^dagger (tilde Totimestilde S)geq 0
          $$

          because it is also of positive form. $square$



          Now of course $Uneq Totimes S$ but $colorblueU$ is actually "contained" within $Totimes S$ due to
          $$
          Totimes S=beginpmatrix
          colorblueT_11otimes S_11 & T_11otimes S_12 &T_12otimes S_11 &colorblueT_12otimes S_12 \
          T_11otimes S_21 & T_11otimes S_22 &T_12otimes S_21 &T_12otimes S_22 \
          T_21otimes S_11 & T_21otimes S_12 &T_22otimes S_11&T_22otimes S_12\
          colorblueT_21otimes S_21 & T_21otimes S_22 &T_22otimes S_21 &colorblueT_22otimes S_22endpmatrix
          $$

          so we only have to "extract the blocks we care about", loosely speaking. For this, consider
          $$
          P=beginpmatrixoperatornameid_Eotimes E&0\0&0\0&0\0&operatornameid_Eotimes Eendpmatrixinmathcal B(Eotimes Eotimes mathbb C^2,Eotimes Eotimesmathbb C^4),.
          $$

          so $P$ embeds $Eotimes Eotimes mathbb C^2$ into $Eotimes Eotimesmathbb C^4$ via $(x,y)mapsto P(x,y)=(x,0,0,y)$. With this $$boxedU=P^dagger (Totimes S)P$$ which is readily verified by, e.g., multiplying out the corresponding "matrices". With this we are only one step away from our desired result.




          Lemma. Let $G,H$ be complex Hilbert spaces and $Ainmathcal B(H)$ $Binmathcal B(G,H)$. If $Ageq 0$, then $B^dagger AB geq 0$.




          Proof. By assumption, $A=tilde A^daggertilde A$ for some $tilde Ainmathcal B(H)$ so $B^dagger AB=B^dagger(tilde A^daggertilde A)B=(tilde AB)^dagger tilde ABgeq 0$. $square$



          Finally, we know that $Totimes Sgeq 0$ (first lemma) so $$0leq U=P^dagger (Totimes S) Pinmathcal B(Eotimes Eotimesmathbb C^2)=mathcal B(Eotimes E)otimes mathbb C^2times 2$$ which concludes the overall proof. This also "recovers" the result that principal submatrices of positive matrices are positive.






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            Thank you for your answer. However I don't understand the idea of your proof. Please see page 13 of this paper: ajmaa.org/searchroot/files/pdf/v13n1/v13i1p7.pdf
            $endgroup$
            – Student
            Mar 23 at 11:28










          • $begingroup$
            I checked page 13 in the manuscript you linked but I'm not sure what I'm supposed to find there. It is even shown there that if $T,S$ are positive then so is $Totimes S$ (which is what I called Lemma 1). The problem is that $Totimes S$ is "too large", you want positivity if you only consider the corner block-elements (which you called $U$)--and those are extracted by the embedding $P$ + using that every map of the form $Xmapsto Y^dagger XY$ preserves positivity. If there's any concrete gap in your understanding, I'll gladly try to help you after you tell me about it.
            $endgroup$
            – Frederik vom Ende
            Mar 23 at 12:41






          • 1




            $begingroup$
            Thank you very much. I will try to understand your proof and then I will let you know . Thanks a lot.
            $endgroup$
            – Student
            Mar 23 at 12:50















          0












          $begingroup$

          This might not be the easiest way to prove this but it is the best I could come up with after 10 minutes of thinking about the problem. There are two steps to this idea. For this, be aware that $Eoplus Esimeq Eotimesmathbb C^2$.




          Lemma. Let $H$ be any complex Hilbert space (so, e.g., $H=Eotimes mathbb C^2$ which recovers our case). If $T,Sinmathcal B(H)$ are positive semi-definite, then the same holds for $Totimes S inmathcal B(Hotimes H),$.




          Proof. Use that an element $X$ in $mathcal B(H)$ is positive (semi-definite)--denoted by $Xgeq 0$--if and only if $X=Y^dagger Y$ for some $Yin mathcal B(H)$. Due to $T,Sgeq 0$ we know $T=tilde T^daggertilde T$, $S=tilde S^daggertilde S$ which implies
          $$
          Totimes S=( tilde T^daggertilde T otimes tilde S^daggertilde S)=(tilde Totimestilde S)^dagger (tilde Totimestilde S)geq 0
          $$

          because it is also of positive form. $square$



          Now of course $Uneq Totimes S$ but $colorblueU$ is actually "contained" within $Totimes S$ due to
          $$
          Totimes S=beginpmatrix
          colorblueT_11otimes S_11 & T_11otimes S_12 &T_12otimes S_11 &colorblueT_12otimes S_12 \
          T_11otimes S_21 & T_11otimes S_22 &T_12otimes S_21 &T_12otimes S_22 \
          T_21otimes S_11 & T_21otimes S_12 &T_22otimes S_11&T_22otimes S_12\
          colorblueT_21otimes S_21 & T_21otimes S_22 &T_22otimes S_21 &colorblueT_22otimes S_22endpmatrix
          $$

          so we only have to "extract the blocks we care about", loosely speaking. For this, consider
          $$
          P=beginpmatrixoperatornameid_Eotimes E&0\0&0\0&0\0&operatornameid_Eotimes Eendpmatrixinmathcal B(Eotimes Eotimes mathbb C^2,Eotimes Eotimesmathbb C^4),.
          $$

          so $P$ embeds $Eotimes Eotimes mathbb C^2$ into $Eotimes Eotimesmathbb C^4$ via $(x,y)mapsto P(x,y)=(x,0,0,y)$. With this $$boxedU=P^dagger (Totimes S)P$$ which is readily verified by, e.g., multiplying out the corresponding "matrices". With this we are only one step away from our desired result.




          Lemma. Let $G,H$ be complex Hilbert spaces and $Ainmathcal B(H)$ $Binmathcal B(G,H)$. If $Ageq 0$, then $B^dagger AB geq 0$.




          Proof. By assumption, $A=tilde A^daggertilde A$ for some $tilde Ainmathcal B(H)$ so $B^dagger AB=B^dagger(tilde A^daggertilde A)B=(tilde AB)^dagger tilde ABgeq 0$. $square$



          Finally, we know that $Totimes Sgeq 0$ (first lemma) so $$0leq U=P^dagger (Totimes S) Pinmathcal B(Eotimes Eotimesmathbb C^2)=mathcal B(Eotimes E)otimes mathbb C^2times 2$$ which concludes the overall proof. This also "recovers" the result that principal submatrices of positive matrices are positive.






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          • $begingroup$
            Thank you for your answer. However I don't understand the idea of your proof. Please see page 13 of this paper: ajmaa.org/searchroot/files/pdf/v13n1/v13i1p7.pdf
            $endgroup$
            – Student
            Mar 23 at 11:28










          • $begingroup$
            I checked page 13 in the manuscript you linked but I'm not sure what I'm supposed to find there. It is even shown there that if $T,S$ are positive then so is $Totimes S$ (which is what I called Lemma 1). The problem is that $Totimes S$ is "too large", you want positivity if you only consider the corner block-elements (which you called $U$)--and those are extracted by the embedding $P$ + using that every map of the form $Xmapsto Y^dagger XY$ preserves positivity. If there's any concrete gap in your understanding, I'll gladly try to help you after you tell me about it.
            $endgroup$
            – Frederik vom Ende
            Mar 23 at 12:41






          • 1




            $begingroup$
            Thank you very much. I will try to understand your proof and then I will let you know . Thanks a lot.
            $endgroup$
            – Student
            Mar 23 at 12:50













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          $begingroup$

          This might not be the easiest way to prove this but it is the best I could come up with after 10 minutes of thinking about the problem. There are two steps to this idea. For this, be aware that $Eoplus Esimeq Eotimesmathbb C^2$.




          Lemma. Let $H$ be any complex Hilbert space (so, e.g., $H=Eotimes mathbb C^2$ which recovers our case). If $T,Sinmathcal B(H)$ are positive semi-definite, then the same holds for $Totimes S inmathcal B(Hotimes H),$.




          Proof. Use that an element $X$ in $mathcal B(H)$ is positive (semi-definite)--denoted by $Xgeq 0$--if and only if $X=Y^dagger Y$ for some $Yin mathcal B(H)$. Due to $T,Sgeq 0$ we know $T=tilde T^daggertilde T$, $S=tilde S^daggertilde S$ which implies
          $$
          Totimes S=( tilde T^daggertilde T otimes tilde S^daggertilde S)=(tilde Totimestilde S)^dagger (tilde Totimestilde S)geq 0
          $$

          because it is also of positive form. $square$



          Now of course $Uneq Totimes S$ but $colorblueU$ is actually "contained" within $Totimes S$ due to
          $$
          Totimes S=beginpmatrix
          colorblueT_11otimes S_11 & T_11otimes S_12 &T_12otimes S_11 &colorblueT_12otimes S_12 \
          T_11otimes S_21 & T_11otimes S_22 &T_12otimes S_21 &T_12otimes S_22 \
          T_21otimes S_11 & T_21otimes S_12 &T_22otimes S_11&T_22otimes S_12\
          colorblueT_21otimes S_21 & T_21otimes S_22 &T_22otimes S_21 &colorblueT_22otimes S_22endpmatrix
          $$

          so we only have to "extract the blocks we care about", loosely speaking. For this, consider
          $$
          P=beginpmatrixoperatornameid_Eotimes E&0\0&0\0&0\0&operatornameid_Eotimes Eendpmatrixinmathcal B(Eotimes Eotimes mathbb C^2,Eotimes Eotimesmathbb C^4),.
          $$

          so $P$ embeds $Eotimes Eotimes mathbb C^2$ into $Eotimes Eotimesmathbb C^4$ via $(x,y)mapsto P(x,y)=(x,0,0,y)$. With this $$boxedU=P^dagger (Totimes S)P$$ which is readily verified by, e.g., multiplying out the corresponding "matrices". With this we are only one step away from our desired result.




          Lemma. Let $G,H$ be complex Hilbert spaces and $Ainmathcal B(H)$ $Binmathcal B(G,H)$. If $Ageq 0$, then $B^dagger AB geq 0$.




          Proof. By assumption, $A=tilde A^daggertilde A$ for some $tilde Ainmathcal B(H)$ so $B^dagger AB=B^dagger(tilde A^daggertilde A)B=(tilde AB)^dagger tilde ABgeq 0$. $square$



          Finally, we know that $Totimes Sgeq 0$ (first lemma) so $$0leq U=P^dagger (Totimes S) Pinmathcal B(Eotimes Eotimesmathbb C^2)=mathcal B(Eotimes E)otimes mathbb C^2times 2$$ which concludes the overall proof. This also "recovers" the result that principal submatrices of positive matrices are positive.






          share|cite|improve this answer











          $endgroup$



          This might not be the easiest way to prove this but it is the best I could come up with after 10 minutes of thinking about the problem. There are two steps to this idea. For this, be aware that $Eoplus Esimeq Eotimesmathbb C^2$.




          Lemma. Let $H$ be any complex Hilbert space (so, e.g., $H=Eotimes mathbb C^2$ which recovers our case). If $T,Sinmathcal B(H)$ are positive semi-definite, then the same holds for $Totimes S inmathcal B(Hotimes H),$.




          Proof. Use that an element $X$ in $mathcal B(H)$ is positive (semi-definite)--denoted by $Xgeq 0$--if and only if $X=Y^dagger Y$ for some $Yin mathcal B(H)$. Due to $T,Sgeq 0$ we know $T=tilde T^daggertilde T$, $S=tilde S^daggertilde S$ which implies
          $$
          Totimes S=( tilde T^daggertilde T otimes tilde S^daggertilde S)=(tilde Totimestilde S)^dagger (tilde Totimestilde S)geq 0
          $$

          because it is also of positive form. $square$



          Now of course $Uneq Totimes S$ but $colorblueU$ is actually "contained" within $Totimes S$ due to
          $$
          Totimes S=beginpmatrix
          colorblueT_11otimes S_11 & T_11otimes S_12 &T_12otimes S_11 &colorblueT_12otimes S_12 \
          T_11otimes S_21 & T_11otimes S_22 &T_12otimes S_21 &T_12otimes S_22 \
          T_21otimes S_11 & T_21otimes S_12 &T_22otimes S_11&T_22otimes S_12\
          colorblueT_21otimes S_21 & T_21otimes S_22 &T_22otimes S_21 &colorblueT_22otimes S_22endpmatrix
          $$

          so we only have to "extract the blocks we care about", loosely speaking. For this, consider
          $$
          P=beginpmatrixoperatornameid_Eotimes E&0\0&0\0&0\0&operatornameid_Eotimes Eendpmatrixinmathcal B(Eotimes Eotimes mathbb C^2,Eotimes Eotimesmathbb C^4),.
          $$

          so $P$ embeds $Eotimes Eotimes mathbb C^2$ into $Eotimes Eotimesmathbb C^4$ via $(x,y)mapsto P(x,y)=(x,0,0,y)$. With this $$boxedU=P^dagger (Totimes S)P$$ which is readily verified by, e.g., multiplying out the corresponding "matrices". With this we are only one step away from our desired result.




          Lemma. Let $G,H$ be complex Hilbert spaces and $Ainmathcal B(H)$ $Binmathcal B(G,H)$. If $Ageq 0$, then $B^dagger AB geq 0$.




          Proof. By assumption, $A=tilde A^daggertilde A$ for some $tilde Ainmathcal B(H)$ so $B^dagger AB=B^dagger(tilde A^daggertilde A)B=(tilde AB)^dagger tilde ABgeq 0$. $square$



          Finally, we know that $Totimes Sgeq 0$ (first lemma) so $$0leq U=P^dagger (Totimes S) Pinmathcal B(Eotimes Eotimesmathbb C^2)=mathcal B(Eotimes E)otimes mathbb C^2times 2$$ which concludes the overall proof. This also "recovers" the result that principal submatrices of positive matrices are positive.







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          • $begingroup$
            Thank you for your answer. However I don't understand the idea of your proof. Please see page 13 of this paper: ajmaa.org/searchroot/files/pdf/v13n1/v13i1p7.pdf
            $endgroup$
            – Student
            Mar 23 at 11:28










          • $begingroup$
            I checked page 13 in the manuscript you linked but I'm not sure what I'm supposed to find there. It is even shown there that if $T,S$ are positive then so is $Totimes S$ (which is what I called Lemma 1). The problem is that $Totimes S$ is "too large", you want positivity if you only consider the corner block-elements (which you called $U$)--and those are extracted by the embedding $P$ + using that every map of the form $Xmapsto Y^dagger XY$ preserves positivity. If there's any concrete gap in your understanding, I'll gladly try to help you after you tell me about it.
            $endgroup$
            – Frederik vom Ende
            Mar 23 at 12:41






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            $begingroup$
            Thank you very much. I will try to understand your proof and then I will let you know . Thanks a lot.
            $endgroup$
            – Student
            Mar 23 at 12:50
















          • $begingroup$
            Thank you for your answer. However I don't understand the idea of your proof. Please see page 13 of this paper: ajmaa.org/searchroot/files/pdf/v13n1/v13i1p7.pdf
            $endgroup$
            – Student
            Mar 23 at 11:28










          • $begingroup$
            I checked page 13 in the manuscript you linked but I'm not sure what I'm supposed to find there. It is even shown there that if $T,S$ are positive then so is $Totimes S$ (which is what I called Lemma 1). The problem is that $Totimes S$ is "too large", you want positivity if you only consider the corner block-elements (which you called $U$)--and those are extracted by the embedding $P$ + using that every map of the form $Xmapsto Y^dagger XY$ preserves positivity. If there's any concrete gap in your understanding, I'll gladly try to help you after you tell me about it.
            $endgroup$
            – Frederik vom Ende
            Mar 23 at 12:41






          • 1




            $begingroup$
            Thank you very much. I will try to understand your proof and then I will let you know . Thanks a lot.
            $endgroup$
            – Student
            Mar 23 at 12:50















          $begingroup$
          Thank you for your answer. However I don't understand the idea of your proof. Please see page 13 of this paper: ajmaa.org/searchroot/files/pdf/v13n1/v13i1p7.pdf
          $endgroup$
          – Student
          Mar 23 at 11:28




          $begingroup$
          Thank you for your answer. However I don't understand the idea of your proof. Please see page 13 of this paper: ajmaa.org/searchroot/files/pdf/v13n1/v13i1p7.pdf
          $endgroup$
          – Student
          Mar 23 at 11:28












          $begingroup$
          I checked page 13 in the manuscript you linked but I'm not sure what I'm supposed to find there. It is even shown there that if $T,S$ are positive then so is $Totimes S$ (which is what I called Lemma 1). The problem is that $Totimes S$ is "too large", you want positivity if you only consider the corner block-elements (which you called $U$)--and those are extracted by the embedding $P$ + using that every map of the form $Xmapsto Y^dagger XY$ preserves positivity. If there's any concrete gap in your understanding, I'll gladly try to help you after you tell me about it.
          $endgroup$
          – Frederik vom Ende
          Mar 23 at 12:41




          $begingroup$
          I checked page 13 in the manuscript you linked but I'm not sure what I'm supposed to find there. It is even shown there that if $T,S$ are positive then so is $Totimes S$ (which is what I called Lemma 1). The problem is that $Totimes S$ is "too large", you want positivity if you only consider the corner block-elements (which you called $U$)--and those are extracted by the embedding $P$ + using that every map of the form $Xmapsto Y^dagger XY$ preserves positivity. If there's any concrete gap in your understanding, I'll gladly try to help you after you tell me about it.
          $endgroup$
          – Frederik vom Ende
          Mar 23 at 12:41




          1




          1




          $begingroup$
          Thank you very much. I will try to understand your proof and then I will let you know . Thanks a lot.
          $endgroup$
          – Student
          Mar 23 at 12:50




          $begingroup$
          Thank you very much. I will try to understand your proof and then I will let you know . Thanks a lot.
          $endgroup$
          – Student
          Mar 23 at 12:50

















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