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Conflicting names of ancestor's parents from different records?


Locating an elusive UK birth record (Mary Ann Harper born circa 1865 possibly Dudley, England)?Where is the Marriage of Milly Bungay/Mason/Weston to John Weston?Where is the marriage of F. M. Weston/Mason to a Goodman?Where is the 1911 Census record relating to Milly Bungay/Mason/Weston?Finding an elusive ancestor after the 1901 census (who may have deserted his family)Can I determine the relationship between Mary Anne Wright (nee Harper) and Charles William Kimmons?Reading a Canadian 'Oceans Arrival' form completed in 1924What was surname of Susan/Susanna, wife of Edward McDowell, from Devon area in abt 1800?Seeking marriage record of John McGrady and Elizabeth McDonald in Ireland about 1885?How should I interpret this sequence of records?













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Winnifred Lydia O'Brien



1896–1979



BIRTH 30 OCT 1896 • Stroud, Gloucestershire, England



DEATH 28 NOV 1979 • New Westminster, British Columbia, Canada



I believe I have found my great-grandmother in the 1926 census of the prairie provinces.
https://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/census/1926/Pages/item.aspx?itemid=890822
Line 6 in the image.



She was also found in the death index:
Winifred Lydia Fowler, "British Columbia Death Registrations, 1872-1986; 1992-1993"
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FL1S-HQZ



As well as in the 1901 England census:
https://www.ancestry.ca/sharing/16091326?h=e6067d&o_xid=61785&o_lid=61785&o_sch=Email+Programs
https://www.ancestry.ca/sharing/16091335?h=4da97d&o_xid=61785&o_lid=61785&o_sch=Email+Programs



However, the names of her parents keeps changing in the records.



On her death cert it says Edward O’Brien of Ireland was her father with an unknown mother.



On the 1901 census it says her mother is Norah O’Brien and the head of the household is Edward Goode but it doesn’t say what relation he has to her.



I found a marriage cert that has a marriage between Norah O’Brien and George Edward Goode.



I guess it could be that she didn't take her husband's last name. enter image description here










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    The marriage is after the census, so not likely to see name changes before then for anyone. Names on death certificates are always suspicious because the most informed person isn't there. Surnames of children born before their parents marriage are always problematic in England - sometimes they changed, sometimes not.

    – AdrianB38
    Mar 20 at 15:18











  • Am I right in saying that the only real oddity is the death certificate, which isn't that odd....?

    – AdrianB38
    Mar 20 at 15:20















5















Winnifred Lydia O'Brien



1896–1979



BIRTH 30 OCT 1896 • Stroud, Gloucestershire, England



DEATH 28 NOV 1979 • New Westminster, British Columbia, Canada



I believe I have found my great-grandmother in the 1926 census of the prairie provinces.
https://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/census/1926/Pages/item.aspx?itemid=890822
Line 6 in the image.



She was also found in the death index:
Winifred Lydia Fowler, "British Columbia Death Registrations, 1872-1986; 1992-1993"
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FL1S-HQZ



As well as in the 1901 England census:
https://www.ancestry.ca/sharing/16091326?h=e6067d&o_xid=61785&o_lid=61785&o_sch=Email+Programs
https://www.ancestry.ca/sharing/16091335?h=4da97d&o_xid=61785&o_lid=61785&o_sch=Email+Programs



However, the names of her parents keeps changing in the records.



On her death cert it says Edward O’Brien of Ireland was her father with an unknown mother.



On the 1901 census it says her mother is Norah O’Brien and the head of the household is Edward Goode but it doesn’t say what relation he has to her.



I found a marriage cert that has a marriage between Norah O’Brien and George Edward Goode.



I guess it could be that she didn't take her husband's last name. enter image description here










share|improve this question



















  • 3





    The marriage is after the census, so not likely to see name changes before then for anyone. Names on death certificates are always suspicious because the most informed person isn't there. Surnames of children born before their parents marriage are always problematic in England - sometimes they changed, sometimes not.

    – AdrianB38
    Mar 20 at 15:18











  • Am I right in saying that the only real oddity is the death certificate, which isn't that odd....?

    – AdrianB38
    Mar 20 at 15:20













5












5








5








Winnifred Lydia O'Brien



1896–1979



BIRTH 30 OCT 1896 • Stroud, Gloucestershire, England



DEATH 28 NOV 1979 • New Westminster, British Columbia, Canada



I believe I have found my great-grandmother in the 1926 census of the prairie provinces.
https://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/census/1926/Pages/item.aspx?itemid=890822
Line 6 in the image.



She was also found in the death index:
Winifred Lydia Fowler, "British Columbia Death Registrations, 1872-1986; 1992-1993"
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FL1S-HQZ



As well as in the 1901 England census:
https://www.ancestry.ca/sharing/16091326?h=e6067d&o_xid=61785&o_lid=61785&o_sch=Email+Programs
https://www.ancestry.ca/sharing/16091335?h=4da97d&o_xid=61785&o_lid=61785&o_sch=Email+Programs



However, the names of her parents keeps changing in the records.



On her death cert it says Edward O’Brien of Ireland was her father with an unknown mother.



On the 1901 census it says her mother is Norah O’Brien and the head of the household is Edward Goode but it doesn’t say what relation he has to her.



I found a marriage cert that has a marriage between Norah O’Brien and George Edward Goode.



I guess it could be that she didn't take her husband's last name. enter image description here










share|improve this question
















Winnifred Lydia O'Brien



1896–1979



BIRTH 30 OCT 1896 • Stroud, Gloucestershire, England



DEATH 28 NOV 1979 • New Westminster, British Columbia, Canada



I believe I have found my great-grandmother in the 1926 census of the prairie provinces.
https://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/census/1926/Pages/item.aspx?itemid=890822
Line 6 in the image.



She was also found in the death index:
Winifred Lydia Fowler, "British Columbia Death Registrations, 1872-1986; 1992-1993"
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FL1S-HQZ



As well as in the 1901 England census:
https://www.ancestry.ca/sharing/16091326?h=e6067d&o_xid=61785&o_lid=61785&o_sch=Email+Programs
https://www.ancestry.ca/sharing/16091335?h=4da97d&o_xid=61785&o_lid=61785&o_sch=Email+Programs



However, the names of her parents keeps changing in the records.



On her death cert it says Edward O’Brien of Ireland was her father with an unknown mother.



On the 1901 census it says her mother is Norah O’Brien and the head of the household is Edward Goode but it doesn’t say what relation he has to her.



I found a marriage cert that has a marriage between Norah O’Brien and George Edward Goode.



I guess it could be that she didn't take her husband's last name. enter image description here







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  • 3





    The marriage is after the census, so not likely to see name changes before then for anyone. Names on death certificates are always suspicious because the most informed person isn't there. Surnames of children born before their parents marriage are always problematic in England - sometimes they changed, sometimes not.

    – AdrianB38
    Mar 20 at 15:18











  • Am I right in saying that the only real oddity is the death certificate, which isn't that odd....?

    – AdrianB38
    Mar 20 at 15:20












  • 3





    The marriage is after the census, so not likely to see name changes before then for anyone. Names on death certificates are always suspicious because the most informed person isn't there. Surnames of children born before their parents marriage are always problematic in England - sometimes they changed, sometimes not.

    – AdrianB38
    Mar 20 at 15:18











  • Am I right in saying that the only real oddity is the death certificate, which isn't that odd....?

    – AdrianB38
    Mar 20 at 15:20







3




3





The marriage is after the census, so not likely to see name changes before then for anyone. Names on death certificates are always suspicious because the most informed person isn't there. Surnames of children born before their parents marriage are always problematic in England - sometimes they changed, sometimes not.

– AdrianB38
Mar 20 at 15:18





The marriage is after the census, so not likely to see name changes before then for anyone. Names on death certificates are always suspicious because the most informed person isn't there. Surnames of children born before their parents marriage are always problematic in England - sometimes they changed, sometimes not.

– AdrianB38
Mar 20 at 15:18













Am I right in saying that the only real oddity is the death certificate, which isn't that odd....?

– AdrianB38
Mar 20 at 15:20





Am I right in saying that the only real oddity is the death certificate, which isn't that odd....?

– AdrianB38
Mar 20 at 15:20










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I suggest you obtain a copy of Winifred's birth certificate. It can be ordered from the GRO website.



In the New GRO index, here is her entry:



enter image description here



As you can see, the Mother's maiden surname is given as a dash, indicating she was very likely illegitimate.



The most likely explanation is that Winifred's mother was unmarried when Winifred was born. Whether Edward Goode was her biological father is impossible to say without further evidence.



As you say, Norah appears to have married George Edward Goode in December 1901 (remember the census was taken in March 1901, before they were married).



The 1911 census does not help much although it shows Winifred O'Brien with her mother Norah Goode and several O'Brien and Goode siblings. Her stepfather is not there at that time. (see reference RG 14/15370, schedule 99)



DNA testing can be useful to sort out paternity in some cases where there is a recent illegitimacy.






share|improve this answer























  • Good point that EG might not be her biological father. It's not unknown for so-called fathers' names to be step-fathers'. Certainly in the UK there are a lot less rules about these things than you might imagine and even fewer requirements for proof! Who people trace in their tree is, of course, up to them.

    – AdrianB38
    Mar 20 at 17:56











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I suggest you obtain a copy of Winifred's birth certificate. It can be ordered from the GRO website.



In the New GRO index, here is her entry:



enter image description here



As you can see, the Mother's maiden surname is given as a dash, indicating she was very likely illegitimate.



The most likely explanation is that Winifred's mother was unmarried when Winifred was born. Whether Edward Goode was her biological father is impossible to say without further evidence.



As you say, Norah appears to have married George Edward Goode in December 1901 (remember the census was taken in March 1901, before they were married).



The 1911 census does not help much although it shows Winifred O'Brien with her mother Norah Goode and several O'Brien and Goode siblings. Her stepfather is not there at that time. (see reference RG 14/15370, schedule 99)



DNA testing can be useful to sort out paternity in some cases where there is a recent illegitimacy.






share|improve this answer























  • Good point that EG might not be her biological father. It's not unknown for so-called fathers' names to be step-fathers'. Certainly in the UK there are a lot less rules about these things than you might imagine and even fewer requirements for proof! Who people trace in their tree is, of course, up to them.

    – AdrianB38
    Mar 20 at 17:56















7














I suggest you obtain a copy of Winifred's birth certificate. It can be ordered from the GRO website.



In the New GRO index, here is her entry:



enter image description here



As you can see, the Mother's maiden surname is given as a dash, indicating she was very likely illegitimate.



The most likely explanation is that Winifred's mother was unmarried when Winifred was born. Whether Edward Goode was her biological father is impossible to say without further evidence.



As you say, Norah appears to have married George Edward Goode in December 1901 (remember the census was taken in March 1901, before they were married).



The 1911 census does not help much although it shows Winifred O'Brien with her mother Norah Goode and several O'Brien and Goode siblings. Her stepfather is not there at that time. (see reference RG 14/15370, schedule 99)



DNA testing can be useful to sort out paternity in some cases where there is a recent illegitimacy.






share|improve this answer























  • Good point that EG might not be her biological father. It's not unknown for so-called fathers' names to be step-fathers'. Certainly in the UK there are a lot less rules about these things than you might imagine and even fewer requirements for proof! Who people trace in their tree is, of course, up to them.

    – AdrianB38
    Mar 20 at 17:56













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7







I suggest you obtain a copy of Winifred's birth certificate. It can be ordered from the GRO website.



In the New GRO index, here is her entry:



enter image description here



As you can see, the Mother's maiden surname is given as a dash, indicating she was very likely illegitimate.



The most likely explanation is that Winifred's mother was unmarried when Winifred was born. Whether Edward Goode was her biological father is impossible to say without further evidence.



As you say, Norah appears to have married George Edward Goode in December 1901 (remember the census was taken in March 1901, before they were married).



The 1911 census does not help much although it shows Winifred O'Brien with her mother Norah Goode and several O'Brien and Goode siblings. Her stepfather is not there at that time. (see reference RG 14/15370, schedule 99)



DNA testing can be useful to sort out paternity in some cases where there is a recent illegitimacy.






share|improve this answer













I suggest you obtain a copy of Winifred's birth certificate. It can be ordered from the GRO website.



In the New GRO index, here is her entry:



enter image description here



As you can see, the Mother's maiden surname is given as a dash, indicating she was very likely illegitimate.



The most likely explanation is that Winifred's mother was unmarried when Winifred was born. Whether Edward Goode was her biological father is impossible to say without further evidence.



As you say, Norah appears to have married George Edward Goode in December 1901 (remember the census was taken in March 1901, before they were married).



The 1911 census does not help much although it shows Winifred O'Brien with her mother Norah Goode and several O'Brien and Goode siblings. Her stepfather is not there at that time. (see reference RG 14/15370, schedule 99)



DNA testing can be useful to sort out paternity in some cases where there is a recent illegitimacy.







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  • Good point that EG might not be her biological father. It's not unknown for so-called fathers' names to be step-fathers'. Certainly in the UK there are a lot less rules about these things than you might imagine and even fewer requirements for proof! Who people trace in their tree is, of course, up to them.

    – AdrianB38
    Mar 20 at 17:56

















  • Good point that EG might not be her biological father. It's not unknown for so-called fathers' names to be step-fathers'. Certainly in the UK there are a lot less rules about these things than you might imagine and even fewer requirements for proof! Who people trace in their tree is, of course, up to them.

    – AdrianB38
    Mar 20 at 17:56
















Good point that EG might not be her biological father. It's not unknown for so-called fathers' names to be step-fathers'. Certainly in the UK there are a lot less rules about these things than you might imagine and even fewer requirements for proof! Who people trace in their tree is, of course, up to them.

– AdrianB38
Mar 20 at 17:56





Good point that EG might not be her biological father. It's not unknown for so-called fathers' names to be step-fathers'. Certainly in the UK there are a lot less rules about these things than you might imagine and even fewer requirements for proof! Who people trace in their tree is, of course, up to them.

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