Finding volume of a region in Multi-Variable Calculus Announcing the arrival of Valued Associate #679: Cesar Manara Planned maintenance scheduled April 23, 2019 at 00:00UTC (8:00pm US/Eastern)What is the volume above the cone $z= sqrtx^2+y^2$ and bounded by the spheres $𝑥^2+y^2+𝑧^2=1$ and $𝑥^2+y^2+𝑧^2=4$?Single variable integral to polar coordinates?Finding a volumeVolume under hyperbolic paraboloid, above unit diskbasic question - Volume of revolution of weird shapeFinding the volume of the following solid using triple integralsVolume Integration of Bounded RegionFind the volume of the solid region given some constraints.Non translation polar Limits of integration for volume of cylinder not centered at originfinding volume bound by cylinder, cone, and xy planefind volume using double integral
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Finding volume of a region in Multi-Variable Calculus
Announcing the arrival of Valued Associate #679: Cesar Manara
Planned maintenance scheduled April 23, 2019 at 00:00UTC (8:00pm US/Eastern)What is the volume above the cone $z= sqrtx^2+y^2$ and bounded by the spheres $𝑥^2+y^2+𝑧^2=1$ and $𝑥^2+y^2+𝑧^2=4$?Single variable integral to polar coordinates?Finding a volumeVolume under hyperbolic paraboloid, above unit diskbasic question - Volume of revolution of weird shapeFinding the volume of the following solid using triple integralsVolume Integration of Bounded RegionFind the volume of the solid region given some constraints.Non translation polar Limits of integration for volume of cylinder not centered at originfinding volume bound by cylinder, cone, and xy planefind volume using double integral
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I converted both functions into polar form and got $z = r$ and $z = r^2 - rcostheta$. So I get the integrands as $[r^2]drdtheta$ and $[r^3 - r^2 costheta] drdtheta$ but now I'm having difficulty visualizing the shapes and setting the bounds on $r$ and $theta$. I assume $theta$ is from $0$ to $2π$ (correct me if I'm wrong) - but I still don't completely understand why this is the case. Also, I'm having trouble setting up $r$ bounds. When I choose $0<r<2$ I get a different volume for the cylinder than $2<r<4$ and none of them equal $$V= pi r^2h= 4pi(4) = 16pi.$$ Any help is appreciated. Thanks.
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I converted both functions into polar form and got $z = r$ and $z = r^2 - rcostheta$. So I get the integrands as $[r^2]drdtheta$ and $[r^3 - r^2 costheta] drdtheta$ but now I'm having difficulty visualizing the shapes and setting the bounds on $r$ and $theta$. I assume $theta$ is from $0$ to $2π$ (correct me if I'm wrong) - but I still don't completely understand why this is the case. Also, I'm having trouble setting up $r$ bounds. When I choose $0<r<2$ I get a different volume for the cylinder than $2<r<4$ and none of them equal $$V= pi r^2h= 4pi(4) = 16pi.$$ Any help is appreciated. Thanks.
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I converted both functions into polar form and got $z = r$ and $z = r^2 - rcostheta$. So I get the integrands as $[r^2]drdtheta$ and $[r^3 - r^2 costheta] drdtheta$ but now I'm having difficulty visualizing the shapes and setting the bounds on $r$ and $theta$. I assume $theta$ is from $0$ to $2π$ (correct me if I'm wrong) - but I still don't completely understand why this is the case. Also, I'm having trouble setting up $r$ bounds. When I choose $0<r<2$ I get a different volume for the cylinder than $2<r<4$ and none of them equal $$V= pi r^2h= 4pi(4) = 16pi.$$ Any help is appreciated. Thanks.
integration multivariable-calculus
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I converted both functions into polar form and got $z = r$ and $z = r^2 - rcostheta$. So I get the integrands as $[r^2]drdtheta$ and $[r^3 - r^2 costheta] drdtheta$ but now I'm having difficulty visualizing the shapes and setting the bounds on $r$ and $theta$. I assume $theta$ is from $0$ to $2π$ (correct me if I'm wrong) - but I still don't completely understand why this is the case. Also, I'm having trouble setting up $r$ bounds. When I choose $0<r<2$ I get a different volume for the cylinder than $2<r<4$ and none of them equal $$V= pi r^2h= 4pi(4) = 16pi.$$ Any help is appreciated. Thanks.
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First - no, that's not the correct equation for the cylinder. There's no $z$ in the cylinder's equation; it should be $(rcostheta-2)^2+(rsintheta)^2 = 4$, or $r^2-4rcostheta = 0$. We're interested in the inside, which would be $r^2-4rcostheta le 0$. The other two bounding surfaces are $z=r$ as you found and $z=0$, for $0le zle r$.
Second - no, $theta$ is not from zero to $2pi$. Look at the picture; the cylinder is entirely on one side of the $y$ axis. That's only half of the angle range around the origin, for $theta$ between $-fracpi2$ and $fracpi2$.
Putting these pieces together, the integral becomes
$$V = int_-pi/2^pi/2int_?^? (r-0)cdot r,dr,dtheta$$
Yeah, we still need those $r$ bounds. That comes from the cylinder. Solving $r^2le 4rcostheta$ for $r$, we get (since $r$ is always nonnegative) that $0le rle 4costheta$. Now we finally have the integral completely set up:
$$V = int_-pi/2^pi/2int_0^4costheta rcdot r,dr,dtheta$$
Can you take it from there?
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Thanks, that makes sense. I solved the equation for the cylinder up to the point of [cylinder function] = 0 but I mistakenly substituted z instead for 0 after that. Regarding the r bounds, why isn't it just 0 to 2 or 2 to 4 since the base of the cylinder is a circle so r should go from center to outer edge of the base?
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Mar 27 at 20:16
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The base of the cylinder is a circle, but it's not a circle centered at the origin of the coordinate system we're using. An equation "$r=c$" represents a circle centered at the origin, and the equation of a circle centered elsewhere looks different in polar coordinates. This is at least the second nicest case, a circle that passes through the origin.
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Why use (shifted) radial coordinates when rectilinear are so easy?
$$intlimits_x=0^4 intlimits_y = -sqrt4-(x-2)^2^sqrt4-(x-2)^2 intlimits_z=0^sqrtx^2 + y^2 1 dx dy dz = frac2569 neq 16 pi.$$
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What software did you use to get this graph?
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First - no, that's not the correct equation for the cylinder. There's no $z$ in the cylinder's equation; it should be $(rcostheta-2)^2+(rsintheta)^2 = 4$, or $r^2-4rcostheta = 0$. We're interested in the inside, which would be $r^2-4rcostheta le 0$. The other two bounding surfaces are $z=r$ as you found and $z=0$, for $0le zle r$.
Second - no, $theta$ is not from zero to $2pi$. Look at the picture; the cylinder is entirely on one side of the $y$ axis. That's only half of the angle range around the origin, for $theta$ between $-fracpi2$ and $fracpi2$.
Putting these pieces together, the integral becomes
$$V = int_-pi/2^pi/2int_?^? (r-0)cdot r,dr,dtheta$$
Yeah, we still need those $r$ bounds. That comes from the cylinder. Solving $r^2le 4rcostheta$ for $r$, we get (since $r$ is always nonnegative) that $0le rle 4costheta$. Now we finally have the integral completely set up:
$$V = int_-pi/2^pi/2int_0^4costheta rcdot r,dr,dtheta$$
Can you take it from there?
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Thanks, that makes sense. I solved the equation for the cylinder up to the point of [cylinder function] = 0 but I mistakenly substituted z instead for 0 after that. Regarding the r bounds, why isn't it just 0 to 2 or 2 to 4 since the base of the cylinder is a circle so r should go from center to outer edge of the base?
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– krauser126
Mar 27 at 20:16
1
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The base of the cylinder is a circle, but it's not a circle centered at the origin of the coordinate system we're using. An equation "$r=c$" represents a circle centered at the origin, and the equation of a circle centered elsewhere looks different in polar coordinates. This is at least the second nicest case, a circle that passes through the origin.
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– jmerry
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First - no, that's not the correct equation for the cylinder. There's no $z$ in the cylinder's equation; it should be $(rcostheta-2)^2+(rsintheta)^2 = 4$, or $r^2-4rcostheta = 0$. We're interested in the inside, which would be $r^2-4rcostheta le 0$. The other two bounding surfaces are $z=r$ as you found and $z=0$, for $0le zle r$.
Second - no, $theta$ is not from zero to $2pi$. Look at the picture; the cylinder is entirely on one side of the $y$ axis. That's only half of the angle range around the origin, for $theta$ between $-fracpi2$ and $fracpi2$.
Putting these pieces together, the integral becomes
$$V = int_-pi/2^pi/2int_?^? (r-0)cdot r,dr,dtheta$$
Yeah, we still need those $r$ bounds. That comes from the cylinder. Solving $r^2le 4rcostheta$ for $r$, we get (since $r$ is always nonnegative) that $0le rle 4costheta$. Now we finally have the integral completely set up:
$$V = int_-pi/2^pi/2int_0^4costheta rcdot r,dr,dtheta$$
Can you take it from there?
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Thanks, that makes sense. I solved the equation for the cylinder up to the point of [cylinder function] = 0 but I mistakenly substituted z instead for 0 after that. Regarding the r bounds, why isn't it just 0 to 2 or 2 to 4 since the base of the cylinder is a circle so r should go from center to outer edge of the base?
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– krauser126
Mar 27 at 20:16
1
$begingroup$
The base of the cylinder is a circle, but it's not a circle centered at the origin of the coordinate system we're using. An equation "$r=c$" represents a circle centered at the origin, and the equation of a circle centered elsewhere looks different in polar coordinates. This is at least the second nicest case, a circle that passes through the origin.
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– jmerry
Mar 27 at 20:19
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First - no, that's not the correct equation for the cylinder. There's no $z$ in the cylinder's equation; it should be $(rcostheta-2)^2+(rsintheta)^2 = 4$, or $r^2-4rcostheta = 0$. We're interested in the inside, which would be $r^2-4rcostheta le 0$. The other two bounding surfaces are $z=r$ as you found and $z=0$, for $0le zle r$.
Second - no, $theta$ is not from zero to $2pi$. Look at the picture; the cylinder is entirely on one side of the $y$ axis. That's only half of the angle range around the origin, for $theta$ between $-fracpi2$ and $fracpi2$.
Putting these pieces together, the integral becomes
$$V = int_-pi/2^pi/2int_?^? (r-0)cdot r,dr,dtheta$$
Yeah, we still need those $r$ bounds. That comes from the cylinder. Solving $r^2le 4rcostheta$ for $r$, we get (since $r$ is always nonnegative) that $0le rle 4costheta$. Now we finally have the integral completely set up:
$$V = int_-pi/2^pi/2int_0^4costheta rcdot r,dr,dtheta$$
Can you take it from there?
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First - no, that's not the correct equation for the cylinder. There's no $z$ in the cylinder's equation; it should be $(rcostheta-2)^2+(rsintheta)^2 = 4$, or $r^2-4rcostheta = 0$. We're interested in the inside, which would be $r^2-4rcostheta le 0$. The other two bounding surfaces are $z=r$ as you found and $z=0$, for $0le zle r$.
Second - no, $theta$ is not from zero to $2pi$. Look at the picture; the cylinder is entirely on one side of the $y$ axis. That's only half of the angle range around the origin, for $theta$ between $-fracpi2$ and $fracpi2$.
Putting these pieces together, the integral becomes
$$V = int_-pi/2^pi/2int_?^? (r-0)cdot r,dr,dtheta$$
Yeah, we still need those $r$ bounds. That comes from the cylinder. Solving $r^2le 4rcostheta$ for $r$, we get (since $r$ is always nonnegative) that $0le rle 4costheta$. Now we finally have the integral completely set up:
$$V = int_-pi/2^pi/2int_0^4costheta rcdot r,dr,dtheta$$
Can you take it from there?
answered Mar 27 at 19:51
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Thanks, that makes sense. I solved the equation for the cylinder up to the point of [cylinder function] = 0 but I mistakenly substituted z instead for 0 after that. Regarding the r bounds, why isn't it just 0 to 2 or 2 to 4 since the base of the cylinder is a circle so r should go from center to outer edge of the base?
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– krauser126
Mar 27 at 20:16
1
$begingroup$
The base of the cylinder is a circle, but it's not a circle centered at the origin of the coordinate system we're using. An equation "$r=c$" represents a circle centered at the origin, and the equation of a circle centered elsewhere looks different in polar coordinates. This is at least the second nicest case, a circle that passes through the origin.
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– jmerry
Mar 27 at 20:19
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Thanks, that makes sense. I solved the equation for the cylinder up to the point of [cylinder function] = 0 but I mistakenly substituted z instead for 0 after that. Regarding the r bounds, why isn't it just 0 to 2 or 2 to 4 since the base of the cylinder is a circle so r should go from center to outer edge of the base?
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– krauser126
Mar 27 at 20:16
1
$begingroup$
The base of the cylinder is a circle, but it's not a circle centered at the origin of the coordinate system we're using. An equation "$r=c$" represents a circle centered at the origin, and the equation of a circle centered elsewhere looks different in polar coordinates. This is at least the second nicest case, a circle that passes through the origin.
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– jmerry
Mar 27 at 20:19
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Thanks, that makes sense. I solved the equation for the cylinder up to the point of [cylinder function] = 0 but I mistakenly substituted z instead for 0 after that. Regarding the r bounds, why isn't it just 0 to 2 or 2 to 4 since the base of the cylinder is a circle so r should go from center to outer edge of the base?
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– krauser126
Mar 27 at 20:16
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Thanks, that makes sense. I solved the equation for the cylinder up to the point of [cylinder function] = 0 but I mistakenly substituted z instead for 0 after that. Regarding the r bounds, why isn't it just 0 to 2 or 2 to 4 since the base of the cylinder is a circle so r should go from center to outer edge of the base?
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– krauser126
Mar 27 at 20:16
1
1
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The base of the cylinder is a circle, but it's not a circle centered at the origin of the coordinate system we're using. An equation "$r=c$" represents a circle centered at the origin, and the equation of a circle centered elsewhere looks different in polar coordinates. This is at least the second nicest case, a circle that passes through the origin.
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– jmerry
Mar 27 at 20:19
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The base of the cylinder is a circle, but it's not a circle centered at the origin of the coordinate system we're using. An equation "$r=c$" represents a circle centered at the origin, and the equation of a circle centered elsewhere looks different in polar coordinates. This is at least the second nicest case, a circle that passes through the origin.
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– jmerry
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Why use (shifted) radial coordinates when rectilinear are so easy?
$$intlimits_x=0^4 intlimits_y = -sqrt4-(x-2)^2^sqrt4-(x-2)^2 intlimits_z=0^sqrtx^2 + y^2 1 dx dy dz = frac2569 neq 16 pi.$$
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What software did you use to get this graph?
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Mathematica...
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Why use (shifted) radial coordinates when rectilinear are so easy?
$$intlimits_x=0^4 intlimits_y = -sqrt4-(x-2)^2^sqrt4-(x-2)^2 intlimits_z=0^sqrtx^2 + y^2 1 dx dy dz = frac2569 neq 16 pi.$$
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What software did you use to get this graph?
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Why use (shifted) radial coordinates when rectilinear are so easy?
$$intlimits_x=0^4 intlimits_y = -sqrt4-(x-2)^2^sqrt4-(x-2)^2 intlimits_z=0^sqrtx^2 + y^2 1 dx dy dz = frac2569 neq 16 pi.$$
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Why use (shifted) radial coordinates when rectilinear are so easy?
$$intlimits_x=0^4 intlimits_y = -sqrt4-(x-2)^2^sqrt4-(x-2)^2 intlimits_z=0^sqrtx^2 + y^2 1 dx dy dz = frac2569 neq 16 pi.$$
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What software did you use to get this graph?
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