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Cardinality of the Set of all finite subset of $mathbbR$



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Planned maintenance scheduled April 23, 2019 at 00:00UTC (8:00pm US/Eastern)Find the cardinality of this set: $ < aleph_o$What is the cardinality of the set of all finite subsets of RWhich of the following sets has the greatest cardinality?(Math subject GRE exam 0568 Q.61 )Is the set of integer coefficient polynomials countable?The cardinality of a countable union of sets with less than continuum cardinalityCardinality of set containing all infinite subsets of $mathbbQ$Cardinality of the set of all two-element subsets of $mathbbN$Find the cardinal of $X=Asubseteq Bbb N : A text is finite $Cardinality of set of functions with coefficients from a set with cardinality omegaPower set of N vs. Union of sets of all cardinalityWhat could be said about the cardinality of $bigcup_iin I A_i$ if $I$ and all the $A_i$ have cardinality $2^aleph_0$How to express the cardinality of $∏_1≤i≤n A_i$ in terms of cardinalities $|A_1|, |A_2|, . . . , |A_n|$Prove that if $A$ is any infinite set, the set of all finite subsets of $A$ has the same cardinality as $A$










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Find the Cardinality of the set of all finite subsets of $mathbbR$.



I have proved that the set of all finite subsets of $mathbbN$ is countable . But I cannot find the cardinality of the set in case of $mathbbR$ .



My Attempt:

First I have considered the set $$A_k= a_i in mathbbR and a_1<...<a_k $$



Then $S=The set of all finite subsets of mathbbR=bigcup_n=1^inftyA_n$

and Now in the case of $mathbbN$ I could show that this $A_k$ is countable and consequently the set of all finite subset of $mathbbN$ is countable.



But in this case I cannot say anything like this...In this case the set will be of the cardinality as that of $mathbbR$ (I think) ..But cannot prove it...



Please Help.










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    Can you prove that the countable union of sets, each of which has the same cardinality as $Bbb R$, also has the cardinality of $Bbb R$? (This is related to multiplication of cardinals, if you know anything about that at this point.)
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Find the Cardinality of the set of all finite subsets of $mathbbR$.



I have proved that the set of all finite subsets of $mathbbN$ is countable . But I cannot find the cardinality of the set in case of $mathbbR$ .



My Attempt:

First I have considered the set $$A_k= a_i in mathbbR and a_1<...<a_k $$



Then $S=The set of all finite subsets of mathbbR=bigcup_n=1^inftyA_n$

and Now in the case of $mathbbN$ I could show that this $A_k$ is countable and consequently the set of all finite subset of $mathbbN$ is countable.



But in this case I cannot say anything like this...In this case the set will be of the cardinality as that of $mathbbR$ (I think) ..But cannot prove it...



Please Help.










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    @avs The power set is the set of all subsets, the OP asked for the set of all finite subsets.
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    – David
    Dec 13 '16 at 23:49






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    Can you prove that the countable union of sets, each of which has the same cardinality as $Bbb R$, also has the cardinality of $Bbb R$? (This is related to multiplication of cardinals, if you know anything about that at this point.)
    $endgroup$
    – Greg Martin
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    It's easier if you know that $|mathbb R|=|mathcal P(mathbb N)|.$
    $endgroup$
    – Thomas Andrews
    Mar 27 at 20:18














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Find the Cardinality of the set of all finite subsets of $mathbbR$.



I have proved that the set of all finite subsets of $mathbbN$ is countable . But I cannot find the cardinality of the set in case of $mathbbR$ .



My Attempt:

First I have considered the set $$A_k= a_i in mathbbR and a_1<...<a_k $$



Then $S=The set of all finite subsets of mathbbR=bigcup_n=1^inftyA_n$

and Now in the case of $mathbbN$ I could show that this $A_k$ is countable and consequently the set of all finite subset of $mathbbN$ is countable.



But in this case I cannot say anything like this...In this case the set will be of the cardinality as that of $mathbbR$ (I think) ..But cannot prove it...



Please Help.










share|cite|improve this question









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Find the Cardinality of the set of all finite subsets of $mathbbR$.



I have proved that the set of all finite subsets of $mathbbN$ is countable . But I cannot find the cardinality of the set in case of $mathbbR$ .



My Attempt:

First I have considered the set $$A_k= a_i in mathbbR and a_1<...<a_k $$



Then $S=The set of all finite subsets of mathbbR=bigcup_n=1^inftyA_n$

and Now in the case of $mathbbN$ I could show that this $A_k$ is countable and consequently the set of all finite subset of $mathbbN$ is countable.



But in this case I cannot say anything like this...In this case the set will be of the cardinality as that of $mathbbR$ (I think) ..But cannot prove it...



Please Help.







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    Can you prove that the countable union of sets, each of which has the same cardinality as $Bbb R$, also has the cardinality of $Bbb R$? (This is related to multiplication of cardinals, if you know anything about that at this point.)
    $endgroup$
    – Greg Martin
    Dec 14 '16 at 0:08










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    It's easier if you know that $|mathbb R|=|mathcal P(mathbb N)|.$
    $endgroup$
    – Thomas Andrews
    Mar 27 at 20:18













  • 3




    $begingroup$
    @avs The power set is the set of all subsets, the OP asked for the set of all finite subsets.
    $endgroup$
    – David
    Dec 13 '16 at 23:49






  • 1




    $begingroup$
    Can you prove that the countable union of sets, each of which has the same cardinality as $Bbb R$, also has the cardinality of $Bbb R$? (This is related to multiplication of cardinals, if you know anything about that at this point.)
    $endgroup$
    – Greg Martin
    Dec 14 '16 at 0:08










  • $begingroup$
    It's easier if you know that $|mathbb R|=|mathcal P(mathbb N)|.$
    $endgroup$
    – Thomas Andrews
    Mar 27 at 20:18








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$begingroup$
@avs The power set is the set of all subsets, the OP asked for the set of all finite subsets.
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@avs The power set is the set of all subsets, the OP asked for the set of all finite subsets.
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Can you prove that the countable union of sets, each of which has the same cardinality as $Bbb R$, also has the cardinality of $Bbb R$? (This is related to multiplication of cardinals, if you know anything about that at this point.)
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– Greg Martin
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Can you prove that the countable union of sets, each of which has the same cardinality as $Bbb R$, also has the cardinality of $Bbb R$? (This is related to multiplication of cardinals, if you know anything about that at this point.)
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– Greg Martin
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$begingroup$
It's easier if you know that $|mathbb R|=|mathcal P(mathbb N)|.$
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– Thomas Andrews
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We can show that $#S ge c$ via the injection $f: mathbbR rightarrow S$, $f(x) = x$.



If you show $#S le c$ then you can conclude $#S = c$ invoking Bernstein's theorem.




Let's prove the following: let $X = X_k, k in mathbbN$ be a family of subsets such that $#X_i le c$, $ forall i in mathbbN$, and let $V = bigcup_kin mathbbNX_k$. Then $#V le c$.



Because $#X_i le c$, we have for each $i$ a surjective $f_i: mathbbR rightarrow X_i$. We define $g: mathbbN times mathbbR rightarrow V$, $g(n,x) = f_n(x)$.



$g$ is an surjective function: let $x in V$, then $x in X_i$ for some $i$, then we have $a in mathbbR$ such that $f_i(a) = x$ because $f_i$ is surjective. Then $g(i,a) = f_i(a) = x$, with $(i,a) in mathbbNtimesmathbbR$.



We conclude that $g$ is surjective.



Thus $#V le #(mathbbNtimesmathbbR)$, this is, $#V le c$.




Your set $S$ satisfies the hypotheses, so we have $#S le c$, and thus $#S = c$.






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    We can show that $#S ge c$ via the injection $f: mathbbR rightarrow S$, $f(x) = x$.



    If you show $#S le c$ then you can conclude $#S = c$ invoking Bernstein's theorem.




    Let's prove the following: let $X = X_k, k in mathbbN$ be a family of subsets such that $#X_i le c$, $ forall i in mathbbN$, and let $V = bigcup_kin mathbbNX_k$. Then $#V le c$.



    Because $#X_i le c$, we have for each $i$ a surjective $f_i: mathbbR rightarrow X_i$. We define $g: mathbbN times mathbbR rightarrow V$, $g(n,x) = f_n(x)$.



    $g$ is an surjective function: let $x in V$, then $x in X_i$ for some $i$, then we have $a in mathbbR$ such that $f_i(a) = x$ because $f_i$ is surjective. Then $g(i,a) = f_i(a) = x$, with $(i,a) in mathbbNtimesmathbbR$.



    We conclude that $g$ is surjective.



    Thus $#V le #(mathbbNtimesmathbbR)$, this is, $#V le c$.




    Your set $S$ satisfies the hypotheses, so we have $#S le c$, and thus $#S = c$.






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      We can show that $#S ge c$ via the injection $f: mathbbR rightarrow S$, $f(x) = x$.



      If you show $#S le c$ then you can conclude $#S = c$ invoking Bernstein's theorem.




      Let's prove the following: let $X = X_k, k in mathbbN$ be a family of subsets such that $#X_i le c$, $ forall i in mathbbN$, and let $V = bigcup_kin mathbbNX_k$. Then $#V le c$.



      Because $#X_i le c$, we have for each $i$ a surjective $f_i: mathbbR rightarrow X_i$. We define $g: mathbbN times mathbbR rightarrow V$, $g(n,x) = f_n(x)$.



      $g$ is an surjective function: let $x in V$, then $x in X_i$ for some $i$, then we have $a in mathbbR$ such that $f_i(a) = x$ because $f_i$ is surjective. Then $g(i,a) = f_i(a) = x$, with $(i,a) in mathbbNtimesmathbbR$.



      We conclude that $g$ is surjective.



      Thus $#V le #(mathbbNtimesmathbbR)$, this is, $#V le c$.




      Your set $S$ satisfies the hypotheses, so we have $#S le c$, and thus $#S = c$.






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        We can show that $#S ge c$ via the injection $f: mathbbR rightarrow S$, $f(x) = x$.



        If you show $#S le c$ then you can conclude $#S = c$ invoking Bernstein's theorem.




        Let's prove the following: let $X = X_k, k in mathbbN$ be a family of subsets such that $#X_i le c$, $ forall i in mathbbN$, and let $V = bigcup_kin mathbbNX_k$. Then $#V le c$.



        Because $#X_i le c$, we have for each $i$ a surjective $f_i: mathbbR rightarrow X_i$. We define $g: mathbbN times mathbbR rightarrow V$, $g(n,x) = f_n(x)$.



        $g$ is an surjective function: let $x in V$, then $x in X_i$ for some $i$, then we have $a in mathbbR$ such that $f_i(a) = x$ because $f_i$ is surjective. Then $g(i,a) = f_i(a) = x$, with $(i,a) in mathbbNtimesmathbbR$.



        We conclude that $g$ is surjective.



        Thus $#V le #(mathbbNtimesmathbbR)$, this is, $#V le c$.




        Your set $S$ satisfies the hypotheses, so we have $#S le c$, and thus $#S = c$.






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        We can show that $#S ge c$ via the injection $f: mathbbR rightarrow S$, $f(x) = x$.



        If you show $#S le c$ then you can conclude $#S = c$ invoking Bernstein's theorem.




        Let's prove the following: let $X = X_k, k in mathbbN$ be a family of subsets such that $#X_i le c$, $ forall i in mathbbN$, and let $V = bigcup_kin mathbbNX_k$. Then $#V le c$.



        Because $#X_i le c$, we have for each $i$ a surjective $f_i: mathbbR rightarrow X_i$. We define $g: mathbbN times mathbbR rightarrow V$, $g(n,x) = f_n(x)$.



        $g$ is an surjective function: let $x in V$, then $x in X_i$ for some $i$, then we have $a in mathbbR$ such that $f_i(a) = x$ because $f_i$ is surjective. Then $g(i,a) = f_i(a) = x$, with $(i,a) in mathbbNtimesmathbbR$.



        We conclude that $g$ is surjective.



        Thus $#V le #(mathbbNtimesmathbbR)$, this is, $#V le c$.




        Your set $S$ satisfies the hypotheses, so we have $#S le c$, and thus $#S = c$.







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