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$ f: X rightarrow R^n$ continuous then the set $M=xin X:f(x) ne 0 $ is an open set.
Announcing the arrival of Valued Associate #679: Cesar Manara
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Let $ f: X rightarrow R^n$ continuous, where $ (X, d) $ is an arbitrary metric space. Prove or give a counterexample for the assertion that the set $M=xin X:f(x) ne 0 $ is an open set.
I'm thinking this might be fake. In the discret metric it seems true. So I'm thinking of an any metric $d$ and for the special case with $ X = mathbb R $ and $ n = 1 $.
I thought for the following functions:
1) $ f (x) = x Longrightarrow M = (- infty, 0) cup (0, infty) $. This set is opened.
2) $ f (x) = x ^ 2 Longrightarrow M $ is an open set.
So I conclude that if the roots of $ f $ is a finite quantity, we have that $ M $ is open. Now if it is an infinite contable quantity, for example for $ f (x) = sin x $, we have that $ M $ will be open.
So I thought of the following function
$$
f (x) = x sin left(dfrac 1 x right), x neq 0 ; mbox and ; ;
f(x)=0, x = 0.
$$
The roots of this function get closer and closer to zero because the roots $ x neq 0 $ are of the form $ x = dfrac 1 2k$ with $ k in mathbb Z $.
I thought I would have a counterexample here because I know I have points of $ M $ and points of $ mathbbR backslash M $ each time closer to each other. But I have not been able to conclude that this is indeed a counterexample.
analysis metric-spaces
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Let $ f: X rightarrow R^n$ continuous, where $ (X, d) $ is an arbitrary metric space. Prove or give a counterexample for the assertion that the set $M=xin X:f(x) ne 0 $ is an open set.
I'm thinking this might be fake. In the discret metric it seems true. So I'm thinking of an any metric $d$ and for the special case with $ X = mathbb R $ and $ n = 1 $.
I thought for the following functions:
1) $ f (x) = x Longrightarrow M = (- infty, 0) cup (0, infty) $. This set is opened.
2) $ f (x) = x ^ 2 Longrightarrow M $ is an open set.
So I conclude that if the roots of $ f $ is a finite quantity, we have that $ M $ is open. Now if it is an infinite contable quantity, for example for $ f (x) = sin x $, we have that $ M $ will be open.
So I thought of the following function
$$
f (x) = x sin left(dfrac 1 x right), x neq 0 ; mbox and ; ;
f(x)=0, x = 0.
$$
The roots of this function get closer and closer to zero because the roots $ x neq 0 $ are of the form $ x = dfrac 1 2k$ with $ k in mathbb Z $.
I thought I would have a counterexample here because I know I have points of $ M $ and points of $ mathbbR backslash M $ each time closer to each other. But I have not been able to conclude that this is indeed a counterexample.
analysis metric-spaces
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Did you know that if $f : Y to Z$ is a continuous function and if $B$ is any open subset of $Z$, then $f^-1(B)$ is an open subset of $Y$ (this is taken as the definition of continuity in abstract topology, and is easy to prove using the metric definition of continuity). Now take $B = R^n setminus 0$.
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– Rob Arthan
Mar 27 at 21:00
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@Rob Arthan I got it. Thanks too much!!! Then this result is true and I understand the proof. I was thinking this is not true and and my attention was only on that. So, thanks too much!!
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– Thiago Alexandre
Mar 27 at 21:09
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Let $ f: X rightarrow R^n$ continuous, where $ (X, d) $ is an arbitrary metric space. Prove or give a counterexample for the assertion that the set $M=xin X:f(x) ne 0 $ is an open set.
I'm thinking this might be fake. In the discret metric it seems true. So I'm thinking of an any metric $d$ and for the special case with $ X = mathbb R $ and $ n = 1 $.
I thought for the following functions:
1) $ f (x) = x Longrightarrow M = (- infty, 0) cup (0, infty) $. This set is opened.
2) $ f (x) = x ^ 2 Longrightarrow M $ is an open set.
So I conclude that if the roots of $ f $ is a finite quantity, we have that $ M $ is open. Now if it is an infinite contable quantity, for example for $ f (x) = sin x $, we have that $ M $ will be open.
So I thought of the following function
$$
f (x) = x sin left(dfrac 1 x right), x neq 0 ; mbox and ; ;
f(x)=0, x = 0.
$$
The roots of this function get closer and closer to zero because the roots $ x neq 0 $ are of the form $ x = dfrac 1 2k$ with $ k in mathbb Z $.
I thought I would have a counterexample here because I know I have points of $ M $ and points of $ mathbbR backslash M $ each time closer to each other. But I have not been able to conclude that this is indeed a counterexample.
analysis metric-spaces
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Let $ f: X rightarrow R^n$ continuous, where $ (X, d) $ is an arbitrary metric space. Prove or give a counterexample for the assertion that the set $M=xin X:f(x) ne 0 $ is an open set.
I'm thinking this might be fake. In the discret metric it seems true. So I'm thinking of an any metric $d$ and for the special case with $ X = mathbb R $ and $ n = 1 $.
I thought for the following functions:
1) $ f (x) = x Longrightarrow M = (- infty, 0) cup (0, infty) $. This set is opened.
2) $ f (x) = x ^ 2 Longrightarrow M $ is an open set.
So I conclude that if the roots of $ f $ is a finite quantity, we have that $ M $ is open. Now if it is an infinite contable quantity, for example for $ f (x) = sin x $, we have that $ M $ will be open.
So I thought of the following function
$$
f (x) = x sin left(dfrac 1 x right), x neq 0 ; mbox and ; ;
f(x)=0, x = 0.
$$
The roots of this function get closer and closer to zero because the roots $ x neq 0 $ are of the form $ x = dfrac 1 2k$ with $ k in mathbb Z $.
I thought I would have a counterexample here because I know I have points of $ M $ and points of $ mathbbR backslash M $ each time closer to each other. But I have not been able to conclude that this is indeed a counterexample.
analysis metric-spaces
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Thiago AlexandreThiago Alexandre
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Did you know that if $f : Y to Z$ is a continuous function and if $B$ is any open subset of $Z$, then $f^-1(B)$ is an open subset of $Y$ (this is taken as the definition of continuity in abstract topology, and is easy to prove using the metric definition of continuity). Now take $B = R^n setminus 0$.
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– Rob Arthan
Mar 27 at 21:00
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@Rob Arthan I got it. Thanks too much!!! Then this result is true and I understand the proof. I was thinking this is not true and and my attention was only on that. So, thanks too much!!
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– Thiago Alexandre
Mar 27 at 21:09
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Did you know that if $f : Y to Z$ is a continuous function and if $B$ is any open subset of $Z$, then $f^-1(B)$ is an open subset of $Y$ (this is taken as the definition of continuity in abstract topology, and is easy to prove using the metric definition of continuity). Now take $B = R^n setminus 0$.
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– Rob Arthan
Mar 27 at 21:00
1
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@Rob Arthan I got it. Thanks too much!!! Then this result is true and I understand the proof. I was thinking this is not true and and my attention was only on that. So, thanks too much!!
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– Thiago Alexandre
Mar 27 at 21:09
3
3
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Did you know that if $f : Y to Z$ is a continuous function and if $B$ is any open subset of $Z$, then $f^-1(B)$ is an open subset of $Y$ (this is taken as the definition of continuity in abstract topology, and is easy to prove using the metric definition of continuity). Now take $B = R^n setminus 0$.
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– Rob Arthan
Mar 27 at 21:00
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Did you know that if $f : Y to Z$ is a continuous function and if $B$ is any open subset of $Z$, then $f^-1(B)$ is an open subset of $Y$ (this is taken as the definition of continuity in abstract topology, and is easy to prove using the metric definition of continuity). Now take $B = R^n setminus 0$.
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– Rob Arthan
Mar 27 at 21:00
1
1
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@Rob Arthan I got it. Thanks too much!!! Then this result is true and I understand the proof. I was thinking this is not true and and my attention was only on that. So, thanks too much!!
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– Thiago Alexandre
Mar 27 at 21:09
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@Rob Arthan I got it. Thanks too much!!! Then this result is true and I understand the proof. I was thinking this is not true and and my attention was only on that. So, thanks too much!!
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$$M = f^-1 left( mathbbR^n setminus lbrace 0 rbrace right)$$
is open as the preimage of the open set $mathbbR^n setminus lbrace 0 rbrace$ by the continuous application $f$.
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Let $f:XrightarrowmathbbR^n$ be continuous. Then $M$ is the complement of the set $M'=xin X:f(x)=0 $.
We need only prove that $M'$ is closed, since then by definition $M$ will be open.
Let $x_n_n=1^inftysubset M'$ be a sequence such that $x_nrightarrow x$ for $x in X$. To prove that $M'$ is closed, we prove that $x in M'$.
Indeed, we have that $f(x)=f(lim x_n)=lim f(x_n)=0$, since $f$ is continuous, thus $xin M'$ and $M'$ is closed.
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$$M = f^-1 left( mathbbR^n setminus lbrace 0 rbrace right)$$
is open as the preimage of the open set $mathbbR^n setminus lbrace 0 rbrace$ by the continuous application $f$.
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is open as the preimage of the open set $mathbbR^n setminus lbrace 0 rbrace$ by the continuous application $f$.
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$$M = f^-1 left( mathbbR^n setminus lbrace 0 rbrace right)$$
is open as the preimage of the open set $mathbbR^n setminus lbrace 0 rbrace$ by the continuous application $f$.
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Let $f:XrightarrowmathbbR^n$ be continuous. Then $M$ is the complement of the set $M'=xin X:f(x)=0 $.
We need only prove that $M'$ is closed, since then by definition $M$ will be open.
Let $x_n_n=1^inftysubset M'$ be a sequence such that $x_nrightarrow x$ for $x in X$. To prove that $M'$ is closed, we prove that $x in M'$.
Indeed, we have that $f(x)=f(lim x_n)=lim f(x_n)=0$, since $f$ is continuous, thus $xin M'$ and $M'$ is closed.
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Let $f:XrightarrowmathbbR^n$ be continuous. Then $M$ is the complement of the set $M'=xin X:f(x)=0 $.
We need only prove that $M'$ is closed, since then by definition $M$ will be open.
Let $x_n_n=1^inftysubset M'$ be a sequence such that $x_nrightarrow x$ for $x in X$. To prove that $M'$ is closed, we prove that $x in M'$.
Indeed, we have that $f(x)=f(lim x_n)=lim f(x_n)=0$, since $f$ is continuous, thus $xin M'$ and $M'$ is closed.
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Let $f:XrightarrowmathbbR^n$ be continuous. Then $M$ is the complement of the set $M'=xin X:f(x)=0 $.
We need only prove that $M'$ is closed, since then by definition $M$ will be open.
Let $x_n_n=1^inftysubset M'$ be a sequence such that $x_nrightarrow x$ for $x in X$. To prove that $M'$ is closed, we prove that $x in M'$.
Indeed, we have that $f(x)=f(lim x_n)=lim f(x_n)=0$, since $f$ is continuous, thus $xin M'$ and $M'$ is closed.
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Let $f:XrightarrowmathbbR^n$ be continuous. Then $M$ is the complement of the set $M'=xin X:f(x)=0 $.
We need only prove that $M'$ is closed, since then by definition $M$ will be open.
Let $x_n_n=1^inftysubset M'$ be a sequence such that $x_nrightarrow x$ for $x in X$. To prove that $M'$ is closed, we prove that $x in M'$.
Indeed, we have that $f(x)=f(lim x_n)=lim f(x_n)=0$, since $f$ is continuous, thus $xin M'$ and $M'$ is closed.
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@Rob Arthan I got it. Thanks too much!!! Then this result is true and I understand the proof. I was thinking this is not true and and my attention was only on that. So, thanks too much!!
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– Thiago Alexandre
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