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Different definition of continuity
The 2019 Stack Overflow Developer Survey Results Are In
Announcing the arrival of Valued Associate #679: Cesar Manara
Planned maintenance scheduled April 17/18, 2019 at 00:00UTC (8:00pm US/Eastern)The measure of the image of a set of measure zeroAbsolutely continuous function admits weak derivativeEquivalent definitions of absolutely continuous functionsDoes absolute continuity of $f$ on $[epsilon,1]$ and continuity at $f=0$ imply absolute continuity on $[0,1]$?Proof that continuous function respects sequential continuityIs $sqrtx, xin [0,1]$ absolutely continuous?Absolutely Continuous function using sums.A question about absolute continuityAbsolute continuity of increasing functions on an intervalEquivalence condition of Absolute Continuity
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Condition: $f:Itomathbb R$ is continuous. For any countable sequence of pairwise disjoint sub-intervals $(x_k, y_k)$ of $I$, we have $forallepsilonexistsdelta$ such that $$ sum_k |y_k - x_k| < delta$$
implies
$$sum_k |f(y_k) - f(x_k)| < epsilon.$$
Is this condition a necessary or sufficient condition of absolution continuity? Note that the order of the logic identifiers has changed.
A function $f: I to mathbbR$ is absolutely continuous on an interval $I$ if for every $epsilon > 0$ there is a $delta > 0$ such that whenever a finite sequence of pairwise disjoint sub-intervals $(x_k, y_k)$ of $I$ satisfies
$$ sum_k |y_k - x_k| < delta$$
then
$$sum_k |f(y_k) - f(x_k)| < epsilon$$
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Condition: $f:Itomathbb R$ is continuous. For any countable sequence of pairwise disjoint sub-intervals $(x_k, y_k)$ of $I$, we have $forallepsilonexistsdelta$ such that $$ sum_k |y_k - x_k| < delta$$
implies
$$sum_k |f(y_k) - f(x_k)| < epsilon.$$
Is this condition a necessary or sufficient condition of absolution continuity? Note that the order of the logic identifiers has changed.
A function $f: I to mathbbR$ is absolutely continuous on an interval $I$ if for every $epsilon > 0$ there is a $delta > 0$ such that whenever a finite sequence of pairwise disjoint sub-intervals $(x_k, y_k)$ of $I$ satisfies
$$ sum_k |y_k - x_k| < delta$$
then
$$sum_k |f(y_k) - f(x_k)| < epsilon$$
real-analysis calculus limits analysis continuity
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Condition: $f:Itomathbb R$ is continuous. For any countable sequence of pairwise disjoint sub-intervals $(x_k, y_k)$ of $I$, we have $forallepsilonexistsdelta$ such that $$ sum_k |y_k - x_k| < delta$$
implies
$$sum_k |f(y_k) - f(x_k)| < epsilon.$$
Is this condition a necessary or sufficient condition of absolution continuity? Note that the order of the logic identifiers has changed.
A function $f: I to mathbbR$ is absolutely continuous on an interval $I$ if for every $epsilon > 0$ there is a $delta > 0$ such that whenever a finite sequence of pairwise disjoint sub-intervals $(x_k, y_k)$ of $I$ satisfies
$$ sum_k |y_k - x_k| < delta$$
then
$$sum_k |f(y_k) - f(x_k)| < epsilon$$
real-analysis calculus limits analysis continuity
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Condition: $f:Itomathbb R$ is continuous. For any countable sequence of pairwise disjoint sub-intervals $(x_k, y_k)$ of $I$, we have $forallepsilonexistsdelta$ such that $$ sum_k |y_k - x_k| < delta$$
implies
$$sum_k |f(y_k) - f(x_k)| < epsilon.$$
Is this condition a necessary or sufficient condition of absolution continuity? Note that the order of the logic identifiers has changed.
A function $f: I to mathbbR$ is absolutely continuous on an interval $I$ if for every $epsilon > 0$ there is a $delta > 0$ such that whenever a finite sequence of pairwise disjoint sub-intervals $(x_k, y_k)$ of $I$ satisfies
$$ sum_k |y_k - x_k| < delta$$
then
$$sum_k |f(y_k) - f(x_k)| < epsilon$$
real-analysis calculus limits analysis continuity
real-analysis calculus limits analysis continuity
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Given any function $f:Itomathbb R$ (not necessarily continuous), the condition: For any countable sequence of pairwise disjoint sub-intervals $(x_k, y_k)$ of $I$, we have $forallepsilonexistsdelta$ such that $$ sum_k |y_k - x_k| < delta$$
implies
$$sum_k |f(y_k) - f(x_k)| < epsilon$$
is trivially true.
Proof: Given any countable sequence of pairwise disjoint sub-intervals $(x_k, y_k)$ of $I$, just choose $delta = frac12 sum_k |y_k - x_k|$. Then the condition $ sum_k |y_k - x_k| < delta$ will be false and so the implication "$ sum_k |y_k - x_k| < delta$
implies
$sum_k |f(y_k) - f(x_k)| < epsilon$" will be trivially true.
So this conditionis not sufficient for absolute continuity or even continuity.
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Yes, I also saw this after you gave the detailed explanation in the other question
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Mar 28 at 22:25
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Yes, they are equivalent. Suppose you choose $delta$ according to the usual definition of absolute continuity with $epsilon$ repalced by $epsilon /2$. If $(a_k.b_k)$ is a disjoint sequence of interval with total length less than $delta$ then $sumlimits_k=1^N |f(b_k)-f(a_k)| < epsilon /2$ for each $N$. Let $N to infty$ to complete the proof.
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Many thanks for your teaching! So you proved that the definition "$forallepsilonexistsdelta(forall textfinite subintervals we have (sum|y_k-x_k|<delta Rightarrow sum|f(y_k)-f(x_k)|<epsilon))$" is equivalent to "$forallepsilonexistsdelta(forall textcountable subintervals we have (sum|y_k-x_k|<delta Rightarrow sum|f(y_k)-f(x_k)|<epsilon))$". However, my first condition means "$forall textcountable subintervals(forallepsilonexistsdelta textwe have (sum|y_k-x_k|<delta Rightarrow sum|f(y_k)-f(x_k)|<epsilon))$". Not sure my understanding is correct, though.
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Given any function $f:Itomathbb R$ (not necessarily continuous), the condition: For any countable sequence of pairwise disjoint sub-intervals $(x_k, y_k)$ of $I$, we have $forallepsilonexistsdelta$ such that $$ sum_k |y_k - x_k| < delta$$
implies
$$sum_k |f(y_k) - f(x_k)| < epsilon$$
is trivially true.
Proof: Given any countable sequence of pairwise disjoint sub-intervals $(x_k, y_k)$ of $I$, just choose $delta = frac12 sum_k |y_k - x_k|$. Then the condition $ sum_k |y_k - x_k| < delta$ will be false and so the implication "$ sum_k |y_k - x_k| < delta$
implies
$sum_k |f(y_k) - f(x_k)| < epsilon$" will be trivially true.
So this conditionis not sufficient for absolute continuity or even continuity.
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1
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Yes, I also saw this after you gave the detailed explanation in the other question
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– High GPA
Mar 28 at 22:25
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Given any function $f:Itomathbb R$ (not necessarily continuous), the condition: For any countable sequence of pairwise disjoint sub-intervals $(x_k, y_k)$ of $I$, we have $forallepsilonexistsdelta$ such that $$ sum_k |y_k - x_k| < delta$$
implies
$$sum_k |f(y_k) - f(x_k)| < epsilon$$
is trivially true.
Proof: Given any countable sequence of pairwise disjoint sub-intervals $(x_k, y_k)$ of $I$, just choose $delta = frac12 sum_k |y_k - x_k|$. Then the condition $ sum_k |y_k - x_k| < delta$ will be false and so the implication "$ sum_k |y_k - x_k| < delta$
implies
$sum_k |f(y_k) - f(x_k)| < epsilon$" will be trivially true.
So this conditionis not sufficient for absolute continuity or even continuity.
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1
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Yes, I also saw this after you gave the detailed explanation in the other question
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– High GPA
Mar 28 at 22:25
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Given any function $f:Itomathbb R$ (not necessarily continuous), the condition: For any countable sequence of pairwise disjoint sub-intervals $(x_k, y_k)$ of $I$, we have $forallepsilonexistsdelta$ such that $$ sum_k |y_k - x_k| < delta$$
implies
$$sum_k |f(y_k) - f(x_k)| < epsilon$$
is trivially true.
Proof: Given any countable sequence of pairwise disjoint sub-intervals $(x_k, y_k)$ of $I$, just choose $delta = frac12 sum_k |y_k - x_k|$. Then the condition $ sum_k |y_k - x_k| < delta$ will be false and so the implication "$ sum_k |y_k - x_k| < delta$
implies
$sum_k |f(y_k) - f(x_k)| < epsilon$" will be trivially true.
So this conditionis not sufficient for absolute continuity or even continuity.
$endgroup$
Given any function $f:Itomathbb R$ (not necessarily continuous), the condition: For any countable sequence of pairwise disjoint sub-intervals $(x_k, y_k)$ of $I$, we have $forallepsilonexistsdelta$ such that $$ sum_k |y_k - x_k| < delta$$
implies
$$sum_k |f(y_k) - f(x_k)| < epsilon$$
is trivially true.
Proof: Given any countable sequence of pairwise disjoint sub-intervals $(x_k, y_k)$ of $I$, just choose $delta = frac12 sum_k |y_k - x_k|$. Then the condition $ sum_k |y_k - x_k| < delta$ will be false and so the implication "$ sum_k |y_k - x_k| < delta$
implies
$sum_k |f(y_k) - f(x_k)| < epsilon$" will be trivially true.
So this conditionis not sufficient for absolute continuity or even continuity.
answered Mar 28 at 10:31
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Yes, I also saw this after you gave the detailed explanation in the other question
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Yes, I also saw this after you gave the detailed explanation in the other question
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Yes, I also saw this after you gave the detailed explanation in the other question
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– High GPA
Mar 28 at 22:25
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Yes, I also saw this after you gave the detailed explanation in the other question
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– High GPA
Mar 28 at 22:25
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Yes, they are equivalent. Suppose you choose $delta$ according to the usual definition of absolute continuity with $epsilon$ repalced by $epsilon /2$. If $(a_k.b_k)$ is a disjoint sequence of interval with total length less than $delta$ then $sumlimits_k=1^N |f(b_k)-f(a_k)| < epsilon /2$ for each $N$. Let $N to infty$ to complete the proof.
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Many thanks for your teaching! So you proved that the definition "$forallepsilonexistsdelta(forall textfinite subintervals we have (sum|y_k-x_k|<delta Rightarrow sum|f(y_k)-f(x_k)|<epsilon))$" is equivalent to "$forallepsilonexistsdelta(forall textcountable subintervals we have (sum|y_k-x_k|<delta Rightarrow sum|f(y_k)-f(x_k)|<epsilon))$". However, my first condition means "$forall textcountable subintervals(forallepsilonexistsdelta textwe have (sum|y_k-x_k|<delta Rightarrow sum|f(y_k)-f(x_k)|<epsilon))$". Not sure my understanding is correct, though.
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– High GPA
Mar 25 at 22:05
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Yes, they are equivalent. Suppose you choose $delta$ according to the usual definition of absolute continuity with $epsilon$ repalced by $epsilon /2$. If $(a_k.b_k)$ is a disjoint sequence of interval with total length less than $delta$ then $sumlimits_k=1^N |f(b_k)-f(a_k)| < epsilon /2$ for each $N$. Let $N to infty$ to complete the proof.
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$begingroup$
Many thanks for your teaching! So you proved that the definition "$forallepsilonexistsdelta(forall textfinite subintervals we have (sum|y_k-x_k|<delta Rightarrow sum|f(y_k)-f(x_k)|<epsilon))$" is equivalent to "$forallepsilonexistsdelta(forall textcountable subintervals we have (sum|y_k-x_k|<delta Rightarrow sum|f(y_k)-f(x_k)|<epsilon))$". However, my first condition means "$forall textcountable subintervals(forallepsilonexistsdelta textwe have (sum|y_k-x_k|<delta Rightarrow sum|f(y_k)-f(x_k)|<epsilon))$". Not sure my understanding is correct, though.
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– High GPA
Mar 25 at 22:05
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Yes, they are equivalent. Suppose you choose $delta$ according to the usual definition of absolute continuity with $epsilon$ repalced by $epsilon /2$. If $(a_k.b_k)$ is a disjoint sequence of interval with total length less than $delta$ then $sumlimits_k=1^N |f(b_k)-f(a_k)| < epsilon /2$ for each $N$. Let $N to infty$ to complete the proof.
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Yes, they are equivalent. Suppose you choose $delta$ according to the usual definition of absolute continuity with $epsilon$ repalced by $epsilon /2$. If $(a_k.b_k)$ is a disjoint sequence of interval with total length less than $delta$ then $sumlimits_k=1^N |f(b_k)-f(a_k)| < epsilon /2$ for each $N$. Let $N to infty$ to complete the proof.
answered Mar 25 at 8:24
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Many thanks for your teaching! So you proved that the definition "$forallepsilonexistsdelta(forall textfinite subintervals we have (sum|y_k-x_k|<delta Rightarrow sum|f(y_k)-f(x_k)|<epsilon))$" is equivalent to "$forallepsilonexistsdelta(forall textcountable subintervals we have (sum|y_k-x_k|<delta Rightarrow sum|f(y_k)-f(x_k)|<epsilon))$". However, my first condition means "$forall textcountable subintervals(forallepsilonexistsdelta textwe have (sum|y_k-x_k|<delta Rightarrow sum|f(y_k)-f(x_k)|<epsilon))$". Not sure my understanding is correct, though.
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– High GPA
Mar 25 at 22:05
add a comment |
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Many thanks for your teaching! So you proved that the definition "$forallepsilonexistsdelta(forall textfinite subintervals we have (sum|y_k-x_k|<delta Rightarrow sum|f(y_k)-f(x_k)|<epsilon))$" is equivalent to "$forallepsilonexistsdelta(forall textcountable subintervals we have (sum|y_k-x_k|<delta Rightarrow sum|f(y_k)-f(x_k)|<epsilon))$". However, my first condition means "$forall textcountable subintervals(forallepsilonexistsdelta textwe have (sum|y_k-x_k|<delta Rightarrow sum|f(y_k)-f(x_k)|<epsilon))$". Not sure my understanding is correct, though.
$endgroup$
– High GPA
Mar 25 at 22:05
$begingroup$
Many thanks for your teaching! So you proved that the definition "$forallepsilonexistsdelta(forall textfinite subintervals we have (sum|y_k-x_k|<delta Rightarrow sum|f(y_k)-f(x_k)|<epsilon))$" is equivalent to "$forallepsilonexistsdelta(forall textcountable subintervals we have (sum|y_k-x_k|<delta Rightarrow sum|f(y_k)-f(x_k)|<epsilon))$". However, my first condition means "$forall textcountable subintervals(forallepsilonexistsdelta textwe have (sum|y_k-x_k|<delta Rightarrow sum|f(y_k)-f(x_k)|<epsilon))$". Not sure my understanding is correct, though.
$endgroup$
– High GPA
Mar 25 at 22:05
$begingroup$
Many thanks for your teaching! So you proved that the definition "$forallepsilonexistsdelta(forall textfinite subintervals we have (sum|y_k-x_k|<delta Rightarrow sum|f(y_k)-f(x_k)|<epsilon))$" is equivalent to "$forallepsilonexistsdelta(forall textcountable subintervals we have (sum|y_k-x_k|<delta Rightarrow sum|f(y_k)-f(x_k)|<epsilon))$". However, my first condition means "$forall textcountable subintervals(forallepsilonexistsdelta textwe have (sum|y_k-x_k|<delta Rightarrow sum|f(y_k)-f(x_k)|<epsilon))$". Not sure my understanding is correct, though.
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– High GPA
Mar 25 at 22:05
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