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Set equality proof
Set theory proofHomework - NFA and its regular expression.Proving set equalityintro level set theory question.Bogus set theory proofSet Theory. Arbitrary, denumerable and Cross ProductProving an equality in set theoryRelating the union of the power set of a set to the set itselfProve that any nonempty open set of $mathbb R$ is uncountableProving that the set of all functions from $mathbbN$ to $4, 5, 6$ is uncountable
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I know that for this proof I need to show that $A$ $subseteq$ $B$ and $B$ $subseteq$ $A$. Starting with $A$ $subseteq$ $B$, I started by setting the equations equal to each other and solving for $x$.
$2x$ - $y$ + $7z$ = $x$ - $y$ + $5z$ gives, $x$ = $-2z$. Plugging $x$ back into one of the equations, you get $(-2z)$ -$y$ + $7z$ = $0$. Simplifying, I get $y$ = $3z$. So, for all ($x$, $y$, $z$) $in$ $A$, ($x$, $y$, $z$) = ($-2z$, $3z$, $z$). That is, ($x$, $y$, $z$) = ($-2c$, $3c$, $c$) since we took ($x$, $y$, $z$) to be arbitrary. So ($x$, $y$, $z$) $in$ $B$ and $A$ $subseteq$ $B$.
Now, I'm having trouble going in the other direction and showing that $B$ $subseteq$ $A$. I have the following thus far: Assume ($x$, $y$, $z$) $in$ $B$. Thus, ($x$, $y$, $z$) = ($-2c$, $3c$, $c$). I'm not sure how to get from here to showing that $B$ $subseteq$ $A$.
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I know that for this proof I need to show that $A$ $subseteq$ $B$ and $B$ $subseteq$ $A$. Starting with $A$ $subseteq$ $B$, I started by setting the equations equal to each other and solving for $x$.
$2x$ - $y$ + $7z$ = $x$ - $y$ + $5z$ gives, $x$ = $-2z$. Plugging $x$ back into one of the equations, you get $(-2z)$ -$y$ + $7z$ = $0$. Simplifying, I get $y$ = $3z$. So, for all ($x$, $y$, $z$) $in$ $A$, ($x$, $y$, $z$) = ($-2z$, $3z$, $z$). That is, ($x$, $y$, $z$) = ($-2c$, $3c$, $c$) since we took ($x$, $y$, $z$) to be arbitrary. So ($x$, $y$, $z$) $in$ $B$ and $A$ $subseteq$ $B$.
Now, I'm having trouble going in the other direction and showing that $B$ $subseteq$ $A$. I have the following thus far: Assume ($x$, $y$, $z$) $in$ $B$. Thus, ($x$, $y$, $z$) = ($-2c$, $3c$, $c$). I'm not sure how to get from here to showing that $B$ $subseteq$ $A$.
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Just plug $x =-2c; y= 3c; z=c$ into the expressions $2x -y + 7z= 2(-2c) -(3c) + 7c = ???$ and $x-y+5z = -2c - 3c + 5c = ?????$.
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I know that for this proof I need to show that $A$ $subseteq$ $B$ and $B$ $subseteq$ $A$. Starting with $A$ $subseteq$ $B$, I started by setting the equations equal to each other and solving for $x$.
$2x$ - $y$ + $7z$ = $x$ - $y$ + $5z$ gives, $x$ = $-2z$. Plugging $x$ back into one of the equations, you get $(-2z)$ -$y$ + $7z$ = $0$. Simplifying, I get $y$ = $3z$. So, for all ($x$, $y$, $z$) $in$ $A$, ($x$, $y$, $z$) = ($-2z$, $3z$, $z$). That is, ($x$, $y$, $z$) = ($-2c$, $3c$, $c$) since we took ($x$, $y$, $z$) to be arbitrary. So ($x$, $y$, $z$) $in$ $B$ and $A$ $subseteq$ $B$.
Now, I'm having trouble going in the other direction and showing that $B$ $subseteq$ $A$. I have the following thus far: Assume ($x$, $y$, $z$) $in$ $B$. Thus, ($x$, $y$, $z$) = ($-2c$, $3c$, $c$). I'm not sure how to get from here to showing that $B$ $subseteq$ $A$.
elementary-set-theory
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I know that for this proof I need to show that $A$ $subseteq$ $B$ and $B$ $subseteq$ $A$. Starting with $A$ $subseteq$ $B$, I started by setting the equations equal to each other and solving for $x$.
$2x$ - $y$ + $7z$ = $x$ - $y$ + $5z$ gives, $x$ = $-2z$. Plugging $x$ back into one of the equations, you get $(-2z)$ -$y$ + $7z$ = $0$. Simplifying, I get $y$ = $3z$. So, for all ($x$, $y$, $z$) $in$ $A$, ($x$, $y$, $z$) = ($-2z$, $3z$, $z$). That is, ($x$, $y$, $z$) = ($-2c$, $3c$, $c$) since we took ($x$, $y$, $z$) to be arbitrary. So ($x$, $y$, $z$) $in$ $B$ and $A$ $subseteq$ $B$.
Now, I'm having trouble going in the other direction and showing that $B$ $subseteq$ $A$. I have the following thus far: Assume ($x$, $y$, $z$) $in$ $B$. Thus, ($x$, $y$, $z$) = ($-2c$, $3c$, $c$). I'm not sure how to get from here to showing that $B$ $subseteq$ $A$.
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Just plug $x =-2c; y= 3c; z=c$ into the expressions $2x -y + 7z= 2(-2c) -(3c) + 7c = ???$ and $x-y+5z = -2c - 3c + 5c = ?????$.
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Just plug $x =-2c; y= 3c; z=c$ into the expressions $2x -y + 7z= 2(-2c) -(3c) + 7c = ???$ and $x-y+5z = -2c - 3c + 5c = ?????$.
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– fleablood
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Just plug $x =-2c; y= 3c; z=c$ into the expressions $2x -y + 7z= 2(-2c) -(3c) + 7c = ???$ and $x-y+5z = -2c - 3c + 5c = ?????$.
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– fleablood
Mar 14 at 18:14
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Just plug $x =-2c; y= 3c; z=c$ into the expressions $2x -y + 7z= 2(-2c) -(3c) + 7c = ???$ and $x-y+5z = -2c - 3c + 5c = ?????$.
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Take any $(x,y,z)in B$, then $x= -2c$, $y=3c$ and $z=c$, so $$x-y+5z = -2c-3c+5c =0$$ and $$2x-y+7z = -4c-3c +7c =0$$ so $(x,y,z)in A$ and thus $Bsubseteq A$.
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$A$ is a line: it is an intersection of two non-parallel planes.
$B$ is a line, explicitly parameterized by $c$.
Therefore:
To show $B subset A$, all you need is two points from $B$ that lie in $A$. Direct inspection shows that the origin ($c=0$) does. This is one point.
To get another, take, for example, $c = 1$, so the corresponding point in $B$ is:
$$
(x, y, z) = (-2, 3, 1).
$$
Plug it into the two equations that define $A$ and see that they are satisfied.
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Try not to get too caught up in set concepts.
$A subset B$ means $x-y+5z = 0; 2x -y +7z = 0 implies exists c; x=-2c;y=3c; z = c$.
And $B subset A$ means if we let $z=c; y=3c; x=-2c implies x-y+5z = 0; 2x -y +7z = 0$
And $A = B$ means precisely $x-y+5z = 0; 2x -y +7z = 0 iff exists c; x=-2c;y=3c; z = c$
...
To be honest $B subset A$ is the easier way:
If $x = -2c; y = 3c; z = c$ then $x - y + 5z = (-2c) -3c + 5c =-5c + 5c= 0$ and $2(-2c)-3c +7c = -4c-3c + 7 = -7c + 7c=0$ and we are done for that direction.
That was it.
$Asubset B$ is a matter of showing:
$x - y + 5z = 0; 2x -y + 7z = 0$ is two equations with three unknowns. If we solve in terms of $z$ we get (one way or another[1]) $y = 3z$ and $x = -2z$ and that's it. Set $z=c$ and we are done.
[1] One way:
$y = x+ 5z = 2x + 7z$
$2x - x = 5z - 7z$
$x = -2z$
$y = -2z + 5z = 2(-2z) + 7z = 3z$.
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Set $A$: Intersection of $2$ planes passing through the origin determines a straight line passing through the origin.
Ansatz:
$vec r = t(a,b,c)$, $t in mathbbR$.
Determine the direction vector $(a,b,c)$.
1) $ta -tb +t5c=0$;
2) $2ta-tb+7tc=0$;
1)$a-b+5c=0;$
2)$2a-b+7c=0$;
$a+2c=0$; $a =-2c;$
$b= -2c+5c=3c$;
$(a,b,c)= (-2c,3c,c)$.
Hence: $vec r = t (-2,3,1).$
Finally :
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$(x,y,z)=t(-2,3,1), t in mathbbR$
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Take any $(x,y,z)in B$, then $x= -2c$, $y=3c$ and $z=c$, so $$x-y+5z = -2c-3c+5c =0$$ and $$2x-y+7z = -4c-3c +7c =0$$ so $(x,y,z)in A$ and thus $Bsubseteq A$.
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Take any $(x,y,z)in B$, then $x= -2c$, $y=3c$ and $z=c$, so $$x-y+5z = -2c-3c+5c =0$$ and $$2x-y+7z = -4c-3c +7c =0$$ so $(x,y,z)in A$ and thus $Bsubseteq A$.
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Take any $(x,y,z)in B$, then $x= -2c$, $y=3c$ and $z=c$, so $$x-y+5z = -2c-3c+5c =0$$ and $$2x-y+7z = -4c-3c +7c =0$$ so $(x,y,z)in A$ and thus $Bsubseteq A$.
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Take any $(x,y,z)in B$, then $x= -2c$, $y=3c$ and $z=c$, so $$x-y+5z = -2c-3c+5c =0$$ and $$2x-y+7z = -4c-3c +7c =0$$ so $(x,y,z)in A$ and thus $Bsubseteq A$.
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$A$ is a line: it is an intersection of two non-parallel planes.
$B$ is a line, explicitly parameterized by $c$.
Therefore:
To show $B subset A$, all you need is two points from $B$ that lie in $A$. Direct inspection shows that the origin ($c=0$) does. This is one point.
To get another, take, for example, $c = 1$, so the corresponding point in $B$ is:
$$
(x, y, z) = (-2, 3, 1).
$$
Plug it into the two equations that define $A$ and see that they are satisfied.
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$A$ is a line: it is an intersection of two non-parallel planes.
$B$ is a line, explicitly parameterized by $c$.
Therefore:
To show $B subset A$, all you need is two points from $B$ that lie in $A$. Direct inspection shows that the origin ($c=0$) does. This is one point.
To get another, take, for example, $c = 1$, so the corresponding point in $B$ is:
$$
(x, y, z) = (-2, 3, 1).
$$
Plug it into the two equations that define $A$ and see that they are satisfied.
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$A$ is a line: it is an intersection of two non-parallel planes.
$B$ is a line, explicitly parameterized by $c$.
Therefore:
To show $B subset A$, all you need is two points from $B$ that lie in $A$. Direct inspection shows that the origin ($c=0$) does. This is one point.
To get another, take, for example, $c = 1$, so the corresponding point in $B$ is:
$$
(x, y, z) = (-2, 3, 1).
$$
Plug it into the two equations that define $A$ and see that they are satisfied.
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$A$ is a line: it is an intersection of two non-parallel planes.
$B$ is a line, explicitly parameterized by $c$.
Therefore:
To show $B subset A$, all you need is two points from $B$ that lie in $A$. Direct inspection shows that the origin ($c=0$) does. This is one point.
To get another, take, for example, $c = 1$, so the corresponding point in $B$ is:
$$
(x, y, z) = (-2, 3, 1).
$$
Plug it into the two equations that define $A$ and see that they are satisfied.
answered Mar 14 at 17:56
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Try not to get too caught up in set concepts.
$A subset B$ means $x-y+5z = 0; 2x -y +7z = 0 implies exists c; x=-2c;y=3c; z = c$.
And $B subset A$ means if we let $z=c; y=3c; x=-2c implies x-y+5z = 0; 2x -y +7z = 0$
And $A = B$ means precisely $x-y+5z = 0; 2x -y +7z = 0 iff exists c; x=-2c;y=3c; z = c$
...
To be honest $B subset A$ is the easier way:
If $x = -2c; y = 3c; z = c$ then $x - y + 5z = (-2c) -3c + 5c =-5c + 5c= 0$ and $2(-2c)-3c +7c = -4c-3c + 7 = -7c + 7c=0$ and we are done for that direction.
That was it.
$Asubset B$ is a matter of showing:
$x - y + 5z = 0; 2x -y + 7z = 0$ is two equations with three unknowns. If we solve in terms of $z$ we get (one way or another[1]) $y = 3z$ and $x = -2z$ and that's it. Set $z=c$ and we are done.
[1] One way:
$y = x+ 5z = 2x + 7z$
$2x - x = 5z - 7z$
$x = -2z$
$y = -2z + 5z = 2(-2z) + 7z = 3z$.
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add a comment |
$begingroup$
Try not to get too caught up in set concepts.
$A subset B$ means $x-y+5z = 0; 2x -y +7z = 0 implies exists c; x=-2c;y=3c; z = c$.
And $B subset A$ means if we let $z=c; y=3c; x=-2c implies x-y+5z = 0; 2x -y +7z = 0$
And $A = B$ means precisely $x-y+5z = 0; 2x -y +7z = 0 iff exists c; x=-2c;y=3c; z = c$
...
To be honest $B subset A$ is the easier way:
If $x = -2c; y = 3c; z = c$ then $x - y + 5z = (-2c) -3c + 5c =-5c + 5c= 0$ and $2(-2c)-3c +7c = -4c-3c + 7 = -7c + 7c=0$ and we are done for that direction.
That was it.
$Asubset B$ is a matter of showing:
$x - y + 5z = 0; 2x -y + 7z = 0$ is two equations with three unknowns. If we solve in terms of $z$ we get (one way or another[1]) $y = 3z$ and $x = -2z$ and that's it. Set $z=c$ and we are done.
[1] One way:
$y = x+ 5z = 2x + 7z$
$2x - x = 5z - 7z$
$x = -2z$
$y = -2z + 5z = 2(-2z) + 7z = 3z$.
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add a comment |
$begingroup$
Try not to get too caught up in set concepts.
$A subset B$ means $x-y+5z = 0; 2x -y +7z = 0 implies exists c; x=-2c;y=3c; z = c$.
And $B subset A$ means if we let $z=c; y=3c; x=-2c implies x-y+5z = 0; 2x -y +7z = 0$
And $A = B$ means precisely $x-y+5z = 0; 2x -y +7z = 0 iff exists c; x=-2c;y=3c; z = c$
...
To be honest $B subset A$ is the easier way:
If $x = -2c; y = 3c; z = c$ then $x - y + 5z = (-2c) -3c + 5c =-5c + 5c= 0$ and $2(-2c)-3c +7c = -4c-3c + 7 = -7c + 7c=0$ and we are done for that direction.
That was it.
$Asubset B$ is a matter of showing:
$x - y + 5z = 0; 2x -y + 7z = 0$ is two equations with three unknowns. If we solve in terms of $z$ we get (one way or another[1]) $y = 3z$ and $x = -2z$ and that's it. Set $z=c$ and we are done.
[1] One way:
$y = x+ 5z = 2x + 7z$
$2x - x = 5z - 7z$
$x = -2z$
$y = -2z + 5z = 2(-2z) + 7z = 3z$.
$endgroup$
Try not to get too caught up in set concepts.
$A subset B$ means $x-y+5z = 0; 2x -y +7z = 0 implies exists c; x=-2c;y=3c; z = c$.
And $B subset A$ means if we let $z=c; y=3c; x=-2c implies x-y+5z = 0; 2x -y +7z = 0$
And $A = B$ means precisely $x-y+5z = 0; 2x -y +7z = 0 iff exists c; x=-2c;y=3c; z = c$
...
To be honest $B subset A$ is the easier way:
If $x = -2c; y = 3c; z = c$ then $x - y + 5z = (-2c) -3c + 5c =-5c + 5c= 0$ and $2(-2c)-3c +7c = -4c-3c + 7 = -7c + 7c=0$ and we are done for that direction.
That was it.
$Asubset B$ is a matter of showing:
$x - y + 5z = 0; 2x -y + 7z = 0$ is two equations with three unknowns. If we solve in terms of $z$ we get (one way or another[1]) $y = 3z$ and $x = -2z$ and that's it. Set $z=c$ and we are done.
[1] One way:
$y = x+ 5z = 2x + 7z$
$2x - x = 5z - 7z$
$x = -2z$
$y = -2z + 5z = 2(-2z) + 7z = 3z$.
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Set $A$: Intersection of $2$ planes passing through the origin determines a straight line passing through the origin.
Ansatz:
$vec r = t(a,b,c)$, $t in mathbbR$.
Determine the direction vector $(a,b,c)$.
1) $ta -tb +t5c=0$;
2) $2ta-tb+7tc=0$;
1)$a-b+5c=0;$
2)$2a-b+7c=0$;
$a+2c=0$; $a =-2c;$
$b= -2c+5c=3c$;
$(a,b,c)= (-2c,3c,c)$.
Hence: $vec r = t (-2,3,1).$
Finally :
$A=$
$(x,y,z)=t(-2,3,1), t in mathbbR$
$=B.$
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Set $A$: Intersection of $2$ planes passing through the origin determines a straight line passing through the origin.
Ansatz:
$vec r = t(a,b,c)$, $t in mathbbR$.
Determine the direction vector $(a,b,c)$.
1) $ta -tb +t5c=0$;
2) $2ta-tb+7tc=0$;
1)$a-b+5c=0;$
2)$2a-b+7c=0$;
$a+2c=0$; $a =-2c;$
$b= -2c+5c=3c$;
$(a,b,c)= (-2c,3c,c)$.
Hence: $vec r = t (-2,3,1).$
Finally :
$A=$
$(x,y,z)=t(-2,3,1), t in mathbbR$
$=B.$
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$begingroup$
Set $A$: Intersection of $2$ planes passing through the origin determines a straight line passing through the origin.
Ansatz:
$vec r = t(a,b,c)$, $t in mathbbR$.
Determine the direction vector $(a,b,c)$.
1) $ta -tb +t5c=0$;
2) $2ta-tb+7tc=0$;
1)$a-b+5c=0;$
2)$2a-b+7c=0$;
$a+2c=0$; $a =-2c;$
$b= -2c+5c=3c$;
$(a,b,c)= (-2c,3c,c)$.
Hence: $vec r = t (-2,3,1).$
Finally :
$A=$
$(x,y,z)=t(-2,3,1), t in mathbbR$
$=B.$
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Set $A$: Intersection of $2$ planes passing through the origin determines a straight line passing through the origin.
Ansatz:
$vec r = t(a,b,c)$, $t in mathbbR$.
Determine the direction vector $(a,b,c)$.
1) $ta -tb +t5c=0$;
2) $2ta-tb+7tc=0$;
1)$a-b+5c=0;$
2)$2a-b+7c=0$;
$a+2c=0$; $a =-2c;$
$b= -2c+5c=3c$;
$(a,b,c)= (-2c,3c,c)$.
Hence: $vec r = t (-2,3,1).$
Finally :
$A=$
$(x,y,z)=t(-2,3,1), t in mathbbR$
$=B.$
edited Mar 14 at 19:23
answered Mar 14 at 19:17
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$begingroup$
Just plug $x =-2c; y= 3c; z=c$ into the expressions $2x -y + 7z= 2(-2c) -(3c) + 7c = ???$ and $x-y+5z = -2c - 3c + 5c = ?????$.
$endgroup$
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