Do we ever distinguish between $0^+$ and $0^-$?Incorrect proof of the infinities between 0 and 1 and 0 and 2Formal approach to (countable) prisoners and hats problem.Can we formally distinguish between actual and potential infinities?Why do we distinguish between infinite cardinalities but not between infinite values?Will a decreasing probability ever resolve favorably?Why keeping a disctinction between almost surely equal elements in probability theory?Question about an inference involving an uncountable union of null eventsDensity w.r.t. counting measure and probability mass function (discrete rv)Distinguish between gamma and log-normal distributions based on 95th percentile of a random variableWhy can’t measures be defined on uncountable powersets? Example that actually applies to probability theory

Imaginary part of expression too difficult to calculate

Nested Dynamic SOQL Query

Help with identifying unique aircraft over NE Pennsylvania

Was World War I a war of liberals against authoritarians?

Symbolism of 18 Journeyers

What is the difference between something being completely legal and being completely decriminalized?

How to find the largest number(s) in a list of elements, possibly non-unique?

Which partition to make active?

Friend wants my recommendation but I don't want to give it to him

Output visual diagram of picture

How do you justify more code being written by following clean code practices?

Did Nintendo change its mind about 68000 SNES?

Do people actually use the word "kaputt" in conversation?

Animating wave motion in water

Print last inputted byte

Would mining huge amounts of resources on the Moon change its orbit?

Why are there no stars visible in cislunar space?

Isn't the word "experience" wrongly used in this context?

Why didn’t Eve recognize the little cockroach as a living organism?

Recursively updating the MLE as new observations stream in

How to determine the greatest d orbital splitting?

Is VPN a layer 3 concept?

What is it called when someone votes for an option that's not their first choice?

What are the consequences of changing the number of hours in a day?



Do we ever distinguish between $0^+$ and $0^-$?


Incorrect proof of the infinities between 0 and 1 and 0 and 2Formal approach to (countable) prisoners and hats problem.Can we formally distinguish between actual and potential infinities?Why do we distinguish between infinite cardinalities but not between infinite values?Will a decreasing probability ever resolve favorably?Why keeping a disctinction between almost surely equal elements in probability theory?Question about an inference involving an uncountable union of null eventsDensity w.r.t. counting measure and probability mass function (discrete rv)Distinguish between gamma and log-normal distributions based on 95th percentile of a random variableWhy can’t measures be defined on uncountable powersets? Example that actually applies to probability theory













0












$begingroup$


I know the IEEE standard does for numerical precision reasons, but I’m asking mathematically. I ask because I’ve been thinking about how:



(VAGUE LANGUAGE BEGINS HERE) the sum of uncountably many zeros can be non-zero. For example, the length of an interval, or probability for continuous random variables, how $P(omega) = 0$ for all $omega$, but $P( 0 le omega le 1) > 0$. Perhaps it’s because the $0$ in $P(omega) = 0$ was always somehow $0^+$, something more than $0$, because it was $frac1infty$, a something divided by infinity, so increasingly closer to 0, but from the right-hand side. (VAGUE LANGUAGE ENDS HERE)



I’m aware there’s no real paradox; I haven’t defined uncountable sums, so who’s to say anything about their behaviour? However, I do wonder if there is something to the idea of tracking whether we got to $0$ through a limit that approached from the left, versus from the right (or in some other direction, or multiple directions), and use that information to make predictions about whether the ‘uncountable sum’ (again, I know I haven’t defined it) will be positive or negative.










share|cite|improve this question











$endgroup$







  • 1




    $begingroup$
    Do you mean "the sum of uncountably many zeros can be non-zero"? That being said, have a look at non-standard analysis.
    $endgroup$
    – Arthur
    Mar 13 at 10:20











  • $begingroup$
    We distinguish between $lim_xto0^+f(x)$ and $lim_xto0^-f(x)$. The rest, I think, is gibberish.
    $endgroup$
    – Gerry Myerson
    Mar 13 at 11:51















0












$begingroup$


I know the IEEE standard does for numerical precision reasons, but I’m asking mathematically. I ask because I’ve been thinking about how:



(VAGUE LANGUAGE BEGINS HERE) the sum of uncountably many zeros can be non-zero. For example, the length of an interval, or probability for continuous random variables, how $P(omega) = 0$ for all $omega$, but $P( 0 le omega le 1) > 0$. Perhaps it’s because the $0$ in $P(omega) = 0$ was always somehow $0^+$, something more than $0$, because it was $frac1infty$, a something divided by infinity, so increasingly closer to 0, but from the right-hand side. (VAGUE LANGUAGE ENDS HERE)



I’m aware there’s no real paradox; I haven’t defined uncountable sums, so who’s to say anything about their behaviour? However, I do wonder if there is something to the idea of tracking whether we got to $0$ through a limit that approached from the left, versus from the right (or in some other direction, or multiple directions), and use that information to make predictions about whether the ‘uncountable sum’ (again, I know I haven’t defined it) will be positive or negative.










share|cite|improve this question











$endgroup$







  • 1




    $begingroup$
    Do you mean "the sum of uncountably many zeros can be non-zero"? That being said, have a look at non-standard analysis.
    $endgroup$
    – Arthur
    Mar 13 at 10:20











  • $begingroup$
    We distinguish between $lim_xto0^+f(x)$ and $lim_xto0^-f(x)$. The rest, I think, is gibberish.
    $endgroup$
    – Gerry Myerson
    Mar 13 at 11:51













0












0








0





$begingroup$


I know the IEEE standard does for numerical precision reasons, but I’m asking mathematically. I ask because I’ve been thinking about how:



(VAGUE LANGUAGE BEGINS HERE) the sum of uncountably many zeros can be non-zero. For example, the length of an interval, or probability for continuous random variables, how $P(omega) = 0$ for all $omega$, but $P( 0 le omega le 1) > 0$. Perhaps it’s because the $0$ in $P(omega) = 0$ was always somehow $0^+$, something more than $0$, because it was $frac1infty$, a something divided by infinity, so increasingly closer to 0, but from the right-hand side. (VAGUE LANGUAGE ENDS HERE)



I’m aware there’s no real paradox; I haven’t defined uncountable sums, so who’s to say anything about their behaviour? However, I do wonder if there is something to the idea of tracking whether we got to $0$ through a limit that approached from the left, versus from the right (or in some other direction, or multiple directions), and use that information to make predictions about whether the ‘uncountable sum’ (again, I know I haven’t defined it) will be positive or negative.










share|cite|improve this question











$endgroup$




I know the IEEE standard does for numerical precision reasons, but I’m asking mathematically. I ask because I’ve been thinking about how:



(VAGUE LANGUAGE BEGINS HERE) the sum of uncountably many zeros can be non-zero. For example, the length of an interval, or probability for continuous random variables, how $P(omega) = 0$ for all $omega$, but $P( 0 le omega le 1) > 0$. Perhaps it’s because the $0$ in $P(omega) = 0$ was always somehow $0^+$, something more than $0$, because it was $frac1infty$, a something divided by infinity, so increasingly closer to 0, but from the right-hand side. (VAGUE LANGUAGE ENDS HERE)



I’m aware there’s no real paradox; I haven’t defined uncountable sums, so who’s to say anything about their behaviour? However, I do wonder if there is something to the idea of tracking whether we got to $0$ through a limit that approached from the left, versus from the right (or in some other direction, or multiple directions), and use that information to make predictions about whether the ‘uncountable sum’ (again, I know I haven’t defined it) will be positive or negative.







probability-theory infinity






share|cite|improve this question















share|cite|improve this question













share|cite|improve this question




share|cite|improve this question








edited Mar 13 at 10:24







Yatharth Agarwal

















asked Mar 13 at 10:16









Yatharth AgarwalYatharth Agarwal

542418




542418







  • 1




    $begingroup$
    Do you mean "the sum of uncountably many zeros can be non-zero"? That being said, have a look at non-standard analysis.
    $endgroup$
    – Arthur
    Mar 13 at 10:20











  • $begingroup$
    We distinguish between $lim_xto0^+f(x)$ and $lim_xto0^-f(x)$. The rest, I think, is gibberish.
    $endgroup$
    – Gerry Myerson
    Mar 13 at 11:51












  • 1




    $begingroup$
    Do you mean "the sum of uncountably many zeros can be non-zero"? That being said, have a look at non-standard analysis.
    $endgroup$
    – Arthur
    Mar 13 at 10:20











  • $begingroup$
    We distinguish between $lim_xto0^+f(x)$ and $lim_xto0^-f(x)$. The rest, I think, is gibberish.
    $endgroup$
    – Gerry Myerson
    Mar 13 at 11:51







1




1




$begingroup$
Do you mean "the sum of uncountably many zeros can be non-zero"? That being said, have a look at non-standard analysis.
$endgroup$
– Arthur
Mar 13 at 10:20





$begingroup$
Do you mean "the sum of uncountably many zeros can be non-zero"? That being said, have a look at non-standard analysis.
$endgroup$
– Arthur
Mar 13 at 10:20













$begingroup$
We distinguish between $lim_xto0^+f(x)$ and $lim_xto0^-f(x)$. The rest, I think, is gibberish.
$endgroup$
– Gerry Myerson
Mar 13 at 11:51




$begingroup$
We distinguish between $lim_xto0^+f(x)$ and $lim_xto0^-f(x)$. The rest, I think, is gibberish.
$endgroup$
– Gerry Myerson
Mar 13 at 11:51










0






active

oldest

votes











Your Answer





StackExchange.ifUsing("editor", function ()
return StackExchange.using("mathjaxEditing", function ()
StackExchange.MarkdownEditor.creationCallbacks.add(function (editor, postfix)
StackExchange.mathjaxEditing.prepareWmdForMathJax(editor, postfix, [["$", "$"], ["\\(","\\)"]]);
);
);
, "mathjax-editing");

StackExchange.ready(function()
var channelOptions =
tags: "".split(" "),
id: "69"
;
initTagRenderer("".split(" "), "".split(" "), channelOptions);

StackExchange.using("externalEditor", function()
// Have to fire editor after snippets, if snippets enabled
if (StackExchange.settings.snippets.snippetsEnabled)
StackExchange.using("snippets", function()
createEditor();
);

else
createEditor();

);

function createEditor()
StackExchange.prepareEditor(
heartbeatType: 'answer',
autoActivateHeartbeat: false,
convertImagesToLinks: true,
noModals: true,
showLowRepImageUploadWarning: true,
reputationToPostImages: 10,
bindNavPrevention: true,
postfix: "",
imageUploader:
brandingHtml: "Powered by u003ca class="icon-imgur-white" href="https://imgur.com/"u003eu003c/au003e",
contentPolicyHtml: "User contributions licensed under u003ca href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/"u003ecc by-sa 3.0 with attribution requiredu003c/au003e u003ca href="https://stackoverflow.com/legal/content-policy"u003e(content policy)u003c/au003e",
allowUrls: true
,
noCode: true, onDemand: true,
discardSelector: ".discard-answer"
,immediatelyShowMarkdownHelp:true
);



);













draft saved

draft discarded


















StackExchange.ready(
function ()
StackExchange.openid.initPostLogin('.new-post-login', 'https%3a%2f%2fmath.stackexchange.com%2fquestions%2f3146372%2fdo-we-ever-distinguish-between-0-and-0%23new-answer', 'question_page');

);

Post as a guest















Required, but never shown

























0






active

oldest

votes








0






active

oldest

votes









active

oldest

votes






active

oldest

votes















draft saved

draft discarded
















































Thanks for contributing an answer to Mathematics Stack Exchange!


  • Please be sure to answer the question. Provide details and share your research!

But avoid


  • Asking for help, clarification, or responding to other answers.

  • Making statements based on opinion; back them up with references or personal experience.

Use MathJax to format equations. MathJax reference.


To learn more, see our tips on writing great answers.




draft saved


draft discarded














StackExchange.ready(
function ()
StackExchange.openid.initPostLogin('.new-post-login', 'https%3a%2f%2fmath.stackexchange.com%2fquestions%2f3146372%2fdo-we-ever-distinguish-between-0-and-0%23new-answer', 'question_page');

);

Post as a guest















Required, but never shown





















































Required, but never shown














Required, but never shown












Required, but never shown







Required, but never shown

































Required, but never shown














Required, but never shown












Required, but never shown







Required, but never shown







Popular posts from this blog

Lowndes Grove History Architecture References Navigation menu32°48′6″N 79°57′58″W / 32.80167°N 79.96611°W / 32.80167; -79.9661132°48′6″N 79°57′58″W / 32.80167°N 79.96611°W / 32.80167; -79.9661178002500"National Register Information System"Historic houses of South Carolina"Lowndes Grove""+32° 48' 6.00", −79° 57' 58.00""Lowndes Grove, Charleston County (260 St. Margaret St., Charleston)""Lowndes Grove"The Charleston ExpositionIt Happened in South Carolina"Lowndes Grove (House), Saint Margaret Street & Sixth Avenue, Charleston, Charleston County, SC(Photographs)"Plantations of the Carolina Low Countrye

random experiment with two different functions on unit interval Announcing the arrival of Valued Associate #679: Cesar Manara Planned maintenance scheduled April 23, 2019 at 00:00UTC (8:00pm US/Eastern)Random variable and probability space notionsRandom Walk with EdgesFinding functions where the increase over a random interval is Poisson distributedNumber of days until dayCan an observed event in fact be of zero probability?Unit random processmodels of coins and uniform distributionHow to get the number of successes given $n$ trials , probability $P$ and a random variable $X$Absorbing Markov chain in a computer. Is “almost every” turned into always convergence in computer executions?Stopped random walk is not uniformly integrable

How should I support this large drywall patch? Planned maintenance scheduled April 23, 2019 at 00:00UTC (8:00pm US/Eastern) Announcing the arrival of Valued Associate #679: Cesar Manara Unicorn Meta Zoo #1: Why another podcast?How do I cover large gaps in drywall?How do I keep drywall around a patch from crumbling?Can I glue a second layer of drywall?How to patch long strip on drywall?Large drywall patch: how to avoid bulging seams?Drywall Mesh Patch vs. Bulge? To remove or not to remove?How to fix this drywall job?Prep drywall before backsplashWhat's the best way to fix this horrible drywall patch job?Drywall patching using 3M Patch Plus Primer